4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Key is an undersized pass rusher who hasn't started a NFL game in three years, he had 6.5 sacks and 17 QB hits last year as a pass rush specialist.

Started 10 games as a rookie, 30 tackles 1 sack, 4 TFL, 11 QB hits.

So he's competing with Kearse and Reddick, not Barnett, b/c he can't step in if Graham or Williams is injured and they need someone to play on run downs.

And it's easier to draft pass rush specialists (undersized athletic DEs) in the middle rounds than 3 down DEs.

 

As far as Maddox, a key player in Gannon's defense is the NCB, Moore in Indy got a 4yr/$33M extension with $9M guaranteed.

Moore is a much, much better player than Maddox. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Key is an undersized pass rusher who hasn't started a NFL game in three years, he had 6.5 sacks and 17 QB hits last year as a pass rush specialist.

Started 10 games as a rookie, 30 tackles 1 sack, 4 TFL, 11 QB hits.

So he's competing with Kearse and Reddick, not Barnett, b/c he can't step in if Graham or Williams is injured and they need someone to play on run downs.

And it's easier to draft pass rush specialists (undersized athletic DEs) in the middle rounds than 3 down DEs.

 

As far as Maddox, a key player in Gannon's defense is the NCB, Moore in Indy got a 4yr/$33M extension with $9M guaranteed.         

Which is why they traded a 6th for Scott, then extended Maddox once he showed he fit that role and gave him a lot less money than Moore.                         

Key would have been fine instead of Barnett. The real miss was not signign Turay over him. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The 2018 draft was a great draft aside from probably Dillard. The question is whether Howie can fairly evaluate the talent without tying his ego to the fate of the players.  It's a lack of objectivity in evaluating the talent.  

Dillard was fine, just bad luck, would have started his 2nd season if not for the bicep, then he gets beat out by a potential All Pro LT, no shame there!

I expect a trade the second day of the draft, when teams needing a LT fail to nail on in the first two rounds and figure Dillard is a better bet than depending on a 3rd rd pick.

2 hours ago, schuy7 said:

I didn't like Avonte's contract either, but when you look at his cap hits, they're very reasonably $2M in 2022 and $4M in 2023. In 2024, it's $10M, which is an overpay. Maddox is just an okay nickel corner. He got paid on character, which Howie pretty much admitted in one of his recent PCs.

Maddox is way better than okay. How many slot CBs are clearly better? Kenny Moore is the only thing that I think that applies to.

Also, slot CB is a more important position than outside CB2.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Moore is a much, much better player than Maddox. 

Which is why he got paid more. And he also grew into the role, which is as much Rover as NCB.

The real issue for Maddox in that role is durability, and I suspect some of the dead money isn't really dead, Howie builds safeguards into his contracts.

The other factor is the cap rising, by 2024, paying $10M on a one year deal for a NCB won't seem outrageous.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Key is an undersized pass rusher who hasn't started a NFL game in three years, he had 6.5 sacks and 17 QB hits last year as a pass rush specialist.

Started 10 games as a rookie, 30 tackles 1 sack, 4 TFL, 11 QB hits.

So he's competing with Kearse and Reddick, not Barnett, b/c he can't step in if Graham or Williams is injured and they need someone to play on run downs.

And it's easier to draft pass rush specialists (undersized athletic DEs) in the middle rounds than 3 down DEs.      

Howie hasn't proven that he can draft either one.

Btw, when aligning wide 9, 4i, 0, 4i, wide 9... you dont need a complete DE to even be on the field.  3 DTs and 2 edges can get it done as is the case in a traditional 3-4.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Moore is a much, much better player than Maddox. 

I’d point out 3 of 4 years maddox has missed significant time (3 games, 4 games and 6) . Add on, he was above average as a rookie. Had a 2 year injury prone and not good when he played. And then was good again. There’s a chance he reverts back to being injury prone and/or not very good. His pff grade the last 4 years: 63.3, 58.9, 37.8 and 72.8. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Maddox is way better than okay. How many slot CBs are clearly better? Kenny Moore is the only thing that I think that applies to.

Also, slot CB is a more important position than outside CB2.

Yeah, we just see Maddox differently. He's okay, but isn't some very important piece to the defense in terms of what he's able to do.

41 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I never even understood what this lawsuit was for.  Why does he owe her any money?

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Dillard was fine, just bad luck, would have started his 2nd season if not for the bicep, then he gets beat out by a potential All Pro LT, no shame there!

I expect a trade the second day of the draft, when teams needing a LT fail to nail on in the first two rounds and figure Dillard is a better bet than depending on a 3rd rd pick.

Roseman is the most unlucky SOB in the world.

25 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Roseman is the most unlucky SOB in the world.

There are mistakes, Jeffrey, and there is bad luck, Jerrigan, Malik Jackson.

When a player with an injury history gets injured, well . . . when a player with a history of durability gets injured his first game after you sign him, yeah, that's bad luck..

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There are mistakes, Jeffrey, and there is bad luck, Jerrigan, Malik Jackson.

When a player with an injury history gets injured, well . . . when a player with a history of durability gets injured his first game after you sign him, yeah, that's bad luck..

Jackson was not bad luck.  Please stop acting like there weren't signs there.  Jernigan, sure.  Either of the Jackson's... nope.

 

As for the bolded.... two words:  Brandon Brooks.   I rest my case on that one.  Your own words have shown that to be a mistake.

Didn't Malik Jackson play in every game of his career before signing here?

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Didn't Malik Jackson play in every game of his career before signing here?

He played all but two games in his career. but he was on the decline and he got benched by the jags cause of his lackluster play. It was a bad contract for a 29 year old DT who had seen his play decline and he was not good against the run. He had a 61.8 grade by pff in 2018. It was a huge decline from the two previous seasons. There were signs he was declining. His injury happened but there’s a high chance he was already not the player worth what they were paying him. That contract the way it was structured was bad if he wasn’t able to regain 2017 form. Add on he wound up being a complete dope if you read some of his comments towards people on social media 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He played all but two games in his career. but he was on the decline and he got benched by the jags cause of his lackluster play. It was a bad contract for a 29 year old DT who had seen his play decline and he was not good against the run. He had a 61.8 grade by pff in 2018. It was a huge decline from the two previous seasons. There were signs he was declining. His injury happened but there’s a high chance he was already not the player worth what they were paying him. Add on he wound up being a complete dope if you read some of his comments towards people on social media 

Well, he actually looked like a pretty good pass rusher here despite what happened in Jacksonville. Where he had been healthy.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He played all but two games in his career. but he was on the decline and he got benched by the jags cause of his lackluster play. It was a bad contract for a 29 year old DT who had seen his play decline and he was not good against the run. He had a 61.8 grade by pff in 2018. It was a huge decline from the two previous seasons. There were signs he was declining. His injury happened but there’s a high chance he was already not the player worth what they were paying him. Add on he wound up being a complete dope if you read some of his comments towards people on social media 

Yeah, there was some risk to it, but I'm not going to criticize that one too much. We've all been talking about wanting to see Howie take some risks in FA instead of continually bringing back the same guys, so I won't drag him too much for missing on this one. Some bad luck, some of it wasn't surprising. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He played all but two games in his career. but he was on the decline and he got benched by the jags cause of his lackluster play. It was a bad contract for a 29 year old DT who had seen his play decline and he was not good against the run. He had a 61.8 grade by pff in 2018. It was a huge decline from the two previous seasons. There were signs he was declining. His injury happened but there’s a high chance he was already not the player worth what they were paying him. That contract the way it was structured was bad if he wasn’t able to regain 2017 form. Add on he wound up being a complete dope if you read some of his comments towards people on social media 

^^^

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, he actually looked like a pretty good pass rusher here despite what happened in Jacksonville. Where he had been healthy.

Yeah he was bad against the run which was a reason he got benched in Jacksonville. And he still wasn’t the same pass rusher he was in and before 2017. He’s been bad since 2019. Last year and in 2020 he was a 44.4 and 64.7 grade by pff. The way that contract was structured he had to be much much better than that. There were definite signs he was on the decline in 2018. The eagles thought playing alongside Cox and it was just an off year in 2018 so he’d bounce back then he got hurt and really was never the same. And the reason it got structured the way it did was cause there were supposedly a couple of teams and no one wanted to match that type of contract the eagles gave him coming off of 2018 

51 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Roseman is the most unlucky SOB in the world.

You should see him at the craps table 

15 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, there was some risk to it, but I'm not going to criticize that one too much. We've all been talking about wanting to see Howie take some risks in FA instead of continually bringing back the same guys, so I won't drag him too much for missing on this one. Some bad luck, some of it wasn't surprising. 

Honestly that one doesn’t make me nearly as irritated as the we fixed the WR position by drafting 3 WRs during a pandemic, count on JJAW who was awful as a rookie (then the pandemic hit that offseason) and we are going to rely on desean jackson to stay healthy. That to me was bad the moment they decided to go with that plan. 

The mistake with Malik Jackson was restructuring after he had a lis franc injury. That’s not "bad luck”

Sad thing is that Malik probably never happens if Jernigan didnt ruin his career. 

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Sad think is that Malik probably never happens if Jernigan didnt ruin his career. 

Makes that worse is we still don’t know exactly what the F he did. 

8 minutes ago, DoWorx said:

That draft is almost objectionable 😂