1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Should we be concerned that you know where he keeps it?

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

This is an interesting problem.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/recent-history-teams-trading-back-nfl-draft-and-acquiring-future-first-round-pick/

Essentially what if you have no takers to get a 2023 pick.  Then if you finish say with the 18th pick in 2023 you'd have to trade multiple one's to move up for the 3rd or 4th best QB in that draft. And if that pick is a miss then you easily could have traded top 10 draft picks in multiple years.  Essentially a disaster scenario that quite frankly doesn't seem all that unlikely

Yup.  Howie better be prepared for that scenario.  I remember the infamous 2014 Marcus Smith draft where the Eagles used the fact that other teams took all their targets as an excuse.  They panicked, traded down, and then took Smith.  Every one of their targets was projected to go before their pick anyway.  They should have been prepared.

There is something about this 2022 draft that is turning off GMs.  Teams were throwing major 2022 draft capital for trade ups in 2021.  The other side of that coin could be that there aren't many takers to mortgage 2023 draft capital for trade-ups this year.

Howie could find him in a position with no takers for the 3 first round picks.  And again, he better be prepared.  3 years from now, none of us want to hear the narrative that the Eagles never expected to make all 3 picks and had to scramble to find the right fit.

And if they DO make all 3 picks...I think they need to take a lottery ticket flier on a QB, since it will be harder to do so next year.  They also should condense some of their other picks 2/3/4/5/6/7 into trade ups, since they do not need all of those picks plus 3 one's in camp...just to cut some of them.  

35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

9-8 team with 3 1st rd picks, 10 picks overall and a top trade chip in Dillard.

My god I hate rooting for such mismanagement!

That's how you screw up a rebuild, they should have gone 4-13 and picked in the top ten.

9-8 is the very definition of mediocre. I also must have missed the memo that they picked 3 great players with those first rounders. 
 

Let’s not go tooting anyones horn until they actually do something with those assets. Howie isn’t exactly a draft maven. 

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

2017 was magical. But outside of that in the Howie Roseman dozen years the team hasn't been a top 3 seed at all. And statistically those are the teams with a decent shot to win.  It's been a lot of smoke & mirrors around 3 9-win and 2- 10win playoff appearances otherwise. And that's with one of the worst divisions in football in that time. The Eagles haven't been bad obviously but they really haven't been anything near a top tier team for a long time outside of one season.  Goes back a few years before Howie even. If we're being honest the Eagles were one of the best teams in the league from 2000-2004 but outside of that it's been a few one off playoff runs

We get stuck in purgatory because we win those 1-2 pointless games at the end to get us in the playoffs only to get eliminated. When this is brought up during those weeks people on here will say "go for the playoffs" knowing damn well we don't belong there. Then the team and fans think we're only a few players away because we somehow snuck in. Then the complaints come because we haven't drafted well or we're still doing Band-Aids

It's a vicious cycle and with Howie getting an extension it'll only keep occurring 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yup.  Howie better be prepared for that scenario.  I remember the infamous 2014 Marcus Smith draft where the Eagles used the fact that other teams took all their targets as an excuse.  They panicked, traded down, and then took Smith.  Every one of their targets was projected to go before their pick anyway.  They should have been prepared.

There is something about this 2022 draft that is turning off GMs.  Teams were throwing major 2022 draft capital for trade ups in 2021.  The other side of that coin could be that there aren't many takers to mortgage 2023 draft capital for trade-ups this year.

Howie could find him in a position with no takers for the 3 first round picks.  And again, he better be prepared.  3 years from now, none of us want to hear the narrative that the Eagles never expected to make all 3 picks and had to scramble to find the right fit.

And if they DO make all 3 picks...I think they need to take a lottery ticket flier on a QB, since it will be harder to do so next year.  They also should condense some of their other picks 2/3/4/5/6/7 into trade ups, since they do not need all of those picks plus 3 one's in camp...just to cut some of them.  

Totally agree. They either need to hit on a QB this year or suck which is tough with their schedule

If they do make all 3 first round picks, I want to see some diversity in this draft.  By diversity...

Do take a home run swing with a premium pick on a jaw-droppingly explosive athlete at a premium position who fell because he'll need coaching up.

Do take a safe player who can contribute early, will reliably get the job done, and is more plug and play. 

Don't hesitate to draft someone at a position of strength and depth if they are BPA.

Do force a pick or two in areas where we really need the help.

Don't use all the draft picks just to cut multiple day 3 picks in camp.  At least use them to trade up and get your preferred targets on day 2.

Do draft a talented lottery ticket QB, because, as mentioned above, you may not have the chance next year if our draft capital is stuck in 2022.

Don't draft a WR too high when we don't have QB figured out.

Do draft a speed WR at some point.  Reagor has 2 feet out the door.  We don't know what we have in Watkins.  Smith isn't the burner.  Fast WRs go early.  Slower WRs don't.  This is a speed class.  If all the draft capital is bottle-necked for this year, then this is when you have to get one.

 

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

You are aware its 2022 right? We live in the present. So we have to take the last 3-5 years max. Game wasnt even close to the same 20 years ago. Completely different era of football. 

Are you sure your not a Cowboys fan? 

If he were, he'd have gone back to 1995.

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

2017 was magical. But outside of that in the Howie Roseman dozen years the team hasn't been a top 3 seed at all. And statistically those are the teams with a decent shot to win.  It's been a lot of smoke & mirrors around 3 9-win and 2- 10win playoff appearances otherwise. And that's with one of the worst divisions in football in that time. The Eagles haven't been bad obviously but they really haven't been anything near a top tier team for a long time outside of one season.  Goes back a few years before Howie even. If we're being honest the Eagles were one of the best teams in the league from 2000-2004 but outside of that it's been a few one off playoff runs

Last 10 years wins:  9, 4, 9, 9, 13, 7, 7, 10, 10, 4 

That's 8.2 wins on average per year.  That's mediocre.  That's not an elite franchise. 

During those last 10 years, the Eagles have had 4 head coaches... that's not elite either.  Reid - 1, Kelly - 3, Pederson - 5, Siranni - 1. 

Made the playoffs 5 times.  That's slightly above average.  Currently 43% of the conference makes the playoffs, whereas in years past only 37% did.  Eagles don't make the playoffs last year if only 6 teams are included... which means, that they'd be a playoff team 40% of the time, which is slightly higher percentage than the number of teams in the conference that make it in a given year.

Basically, all signs point to mediocrity, and 2017 stands alone as the sole bastion of excellence.  Nothing sustained... and no hope for the immediate future without a QB to build around.

Just go BPA. Don't overthink it.

Howie's not going to be able to trade into 2023, you need a top ten pick to pull that off in most drafts.

So if he trades back, it should be to maximize value in 2022, for example if they have 10-15 players in tier 3, and tier 2 dries up by pick #19, then trade back 5-10 spots and pick up a couple more picks - you don't have to use them all - you can package an extra 3rd or 4th with one of your 5ths and target a player who has dropped, for example.

Trust your draft board and your scouts - or get new scouts.

45 minutes ago, austinfan said:

9-8 team with 3 1st rd picks, 10 picks overall and a top trade chip in Dillard.

My god I hate rooting for such mismanagement!

That's how you screw up a rebuild, they should have gone 4-13 and picked in the top ten.

9-8 doesn't mean much.  The schedule was a joke and they rang up wins facing practice squad QBs.  They never beat a team that packed a punch all year long.

I also wouldn't call Dillard a top trade chip.  He has 1 year left under contract before an option that no one is taking.  He's most likely a 4th or 5th round pick if someone wants to kick the tires.  Best case scenario is that the Eagles package Dillard AND some later picks for a 3.  That's not exactly an asset or trade chip worth mentioning when endorsing the state of the franchise.

3 1st rd picks...yes that matters.  One must acknowledge that the picks will be made by a GM notorious for poor drafting.  But, Howie did a very nice job acquiring those picks...no doubt about it.

But none of this matters until they have a QB.  Teams trade the equivalent of our entire draft haul for franchise QBs.  We have no QB...rebuilds aren't promising until there is a QB.  Right now, we've got an immensely talented LT who still struggles with the speed rush, a very polished and productive young WR, a well-rounded TE, and a good DE, good DT, and a OLB who is a proven pass rusher with an unclear role in the defense.  

It's not nothing, but it's not the gold standard.

I dont mind something like this - Though they gave me a D- for taking Strong in the late 2nd- I suppose I ciould have traded back and picked him up and another pick later? 

Trade back to pick up a 1st and 2nd in 2023 draft, and still pick 3 players in the 1st rd this year...

 

 

55 minutes ago, austinfan said:

9-8 team with 3 1st rd picks, 10 picks overall and a top trade chip in Dillard.

My god I hate rooting for such mismanagement!

That's how you screw up a rebuild, they should have gone 4-13 and picked in the top ten.

9-8 = mediocre.

3 1st round picks only matter if you can convert them into talent.  Howie has proven he can't find players in the teens and 20s.  

"Top" trade chip in Dillard?  Let's see what he actually returns.  He's a limited guy as an LT only.  He's getting older for a guy with so few starts.  Hardly a guy that teams are banging down the door to acquire, which is why he hasn't been dealt yet.

 

BTW... the only time Howie seems to be able to find studs in the draft is when picking in the top 10.  And when drafting later, even when studs fall into his lap, he passes on them to take lesser talents.

 

Wonder who will be the Pumphrey of the bunch that we end up with.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Do draft a speed WR at some point.  Reagor has 2 feet out the door.  We don't know what we have in Watkins.  Smith isn't the burner.  Fast WRs go early.  Slower WRs don't.  This is a speed class.  If all the draft capital is bottle-necked for this year, then this is when you have to get one.

Two feet out the door, but his butt firmly planted on the roster.  He's not going any where this year.  He'll just be a wasted roster spot this year.

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

Wonder who will be the Pumphrey of the bunch that we end up with.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Last 10 years wins:  9, 4, 9, 9, 13, 7, 7, 10, 10, 4 

That's 8.2 wins on average per year.  That's mediocre.  That's not an elite franchise. 

During those last 10 years, the Eagles have had 4 head coaches... that's not elite either.  Reid - 1, Kelly - 3, Pederson - 5, Siranni - 1. 

Made the playoffs 5 times.  That's slightly above average.  Currently 43% of the conference makes the playoffs, whereas in years past only 37% did.  Eagles don't make the playoffs last year if only 6 teams are included... which means, that they'd be a playoff team 40% of the time, which is slightly higher percentage than the number of teams in the conference that make it in a given year.

Basically, all signs point to mediocrity, and 2017 stands alone as the sole bastion of excellence.  Nothing sustained... and no hope for the immediate future without a QB to build around.

I know making the playoffs is a big thing but if you constantly get eliminated in the first wildcard round then it's not great and you just get stuck. The FO will think they aren't as bad as they really are and the fans will be the same

Now with the expanded playoffs there will be teams (like us last season) who get in but will make a quick exit

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Two feet out the door, but his butt firmly planted on the roster.  He's not going any where this year.  He'll just be a wasted roster spot this year.

AGAIN

Agree- JJAW most likely wont make the cut this year, Reagor gets his 3rd year since it really is only like his rookie season. 

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-desmond-ridder-atlanta-falcons-chris-olave-justin-fields-chicago-bears

The new PFF mock is bizarre. Also I hate our picks as a unit, not so much the players themselves. Jordan Davis going past us is not realistic. Trading down from #16 to the Bears and apparently not picking up their 2nd round pick is odd.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I know making the playoffs is a big thing but if you constantly get eliminated in the first wildcard round then it's not great and you just get stuck. The FO will think they aren't as bad as they really are and the fans will be the same

Now with the expanded playoffs there will be teams (like us last season) who get in but will make a quick exit

I don't even think it's that big of a thing.  Winning games in the playoffs is a big thing.  Outside of 2017, the Eagles have 1 playoff win in the other 9 years.   That's terrible.   And you are correct, it lulls Lowie into this false sense of achievement.

What I've learned in the blog this week: 

The 2016 Eagles offensive weapons were a juggernaut. Who knew?

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't even think it's that big of a thing.  Winning games in the playoffs is a big thing.  Outside of 2017, the Eagles have 1 playoff win in the other 9 years.   That's terrible.

It won't change until we get an answer at QB.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

It won't change until we get an answer at QB.

Nope.  It won't.

7 minutes ago, bitbased said:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-two-round-mock-draft-desmond-ridder-atlanta-falcons-chris-olave-justin-fields-chicago-bears

The new PFF mock is bizarre. Also I hate our picks as a unit, not so much the players themselves. Jordan Davis going past us is not realistic. Trading down from #16 to the Bears and apparently not picking up their 2nd round pick is odd.

I think some folks just put these out as clickbait.  Having Ridder as the first QB off the board is strange; doesn't have CAR or SEA drafting a QB; has Corral not getting drafted until #48; apparently has Pickett as a 3rd round pick or later ..... he's either being clueless or just deliberately provocative.

I didn't spend any additional time looking at the other picks.  The Eagles taking WR at #15, trading out at #16 and taking a LB at #19 might actually cost Howie his job -- that would be the upside.

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Last 10 years wins:  9, 4, 9, 9, 13, 7, 7, 10, 10, 4 

That's 8.2 wins on average per year.  That's mediocre.  That's not an elite franchise. 

During those last 10 years, the Eagles have had 4 head coaches... that's not elite either.  Reid - 1, Kelly - 3, Pederson - 5, Siranni - 1. 

Made the playoffs 5 times.  That's slightly above average.  Currently 43% of the conference makes the playoffs, whereas in years past only 37% did.  Eagles don't make the playoffs last year if only 6 teams are included... which means, that they'd be a playoff team 40% of the time, which is slightly higher percentage than the number of teams in the conference that make it in a given year.

Basically, all signs point to mediocrity, and 2017 stands alone as the sole bastion of excellence.  Nothing sustained... and no hope for the immediate future without a QB to build around.

Yup it’s why I’ve continuously pointed out since howie got his role they’ve been 90-86-1. That’s on average Like you said 8.2 wins. Really before the SB year they were 46-50 And since 31-33-1. The eagles have 1 playoff win since 2010 outside 2017 and it took a double doink to happen against Mitchell trubisky. This team hasn’t been a true super bowl contender outside of 2017 and when they got hot at the end of 2018. The other 9 seasons they really weren’t very close. And if making the playoffs is the goal then what the F were the eagles talking about in 2016 after chip was fired and howie regained power when they said playoffs weren’t good enough we want a consistent SB contender. They did it in 2017 and fell off and not been close since.

What the heck.