4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Even if the Saints sneak in and lose in the 1st round of the playoffs, they're drafting 19-21...and it's still a good trade.

If they were to win then would it be considered a bad trade?

Just now, bpac55 said:

Now, what can he do with Andre Dillard.  If he can somehow get a 2nd out of him that would be something else.  I also think he might trade down again.  

I’m actually surprised the saints didn’t inquire about him in that trade as they could use a LT. 

Just now, jwill2420 said:

This trade tells me the Eagles weren’t happy with any of the QBs in this draft. They did the due diligence on Pickett and Howell all the other guys are projects and didn’t like the fit. 
 

At this point the Eagles have ammo to move up to get Stroud or Young Potentially next year. 
 

The only unfortunate thing is we have to waste anOther year with Hurts…

I wish they would trade him now and just roll with Minshew this year. Would be far more exciting.

Guys I say we trade our 4th rounder every year to get a 2nd in 2 years. I'm sure it'll work every single time.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

If they were to win then would it be considered a bad trade?

I think the saints are likely anywhere from a 6 to 9 win team depending on how their schedule shakes out. It depends on when they face some of these teams. Might face browns without watson cause he’s suspended. Or cardinals if you face them late in year’s their trend is to nose dive at the end. 

Just now, jwill2420 said:

This trade tells me the Eagles weren’t happy with any of the QBs in this draft. They did the due diligence on Pickett and Howell all the other guys are projects and didn’t like the fit. 
 

At this point the Eagles have ammo to move up to get Stroud or Young Potentially next year. 
 

The only unfortunate thing is we have to waste anOther year with Hurts…

My guess is Howie/Lurie will put pressure on Sirianni to make this a passing offense with Hurts which will make it more painful.  It will be easier to get a better QB in the 2023 draft.  

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, 18 for 19 is basically a wash to consider.  

So, the deal is 16 and a late 5th l for a first next year (Valued at second for this year), second in the year after (which would be valued at a 4th this year).. and a 3rd round pick in this draft... so, essentially trading a mid-first round pick for a 2nd, 3rd and 4th.     Eagles got a little less value back, but they get what they really want... a first for 2023.  I can't hate this.   I don't love it, but it's not a bad deal.  Definitely not a homerun though. 

194 is a 6th. So essentially:

16, 19, 194

for

18, 101, 237, 2023 R1, 2024 R2

is 2 1sts and a 6th for 2 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 7th.

I make that trade every day and laugh while running away.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Now, what can he do with Andre Dillard.  If he can somehow get a 2nd out of him that would be something else.  I also think he might trade down again.  

I'd love to see a R2-3 pick for Dillard. Hoping someone who really wants a LT missed out on Neal, Ekonwu, Cross and Penning. A 2nd on Dillard is just as good an investment as a 2nd on anyone in this draft class when considering age vs potential. Dillard is still young.

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

This trade tells me the Eagles weren’t happy with any of the QBs in this draft. They did the due diligence on Pickett and Howell all the other guys are projects and didn’t like the fit. 
 

At this point the Eagles have ammo to move up to get Stroud or Young Potentially next year. 
 

The only unfortunate thing is we have to waste anOther year with Hurts…

Sam Howell in the 2nd could be very intriguing if he's available.  I think he's got some serious game to him.  I know a lot of people think he's a Baker Mayfield clone but I just think he's a gamer.

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

194 is a 6th. So essentially:

16, 19, 194

for

18, 101, 237, 2023 R1, 2024 R2

is 2 1sts and a 6th for 2 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 7th.

I make that trade every day and laugh while running away.

I'd love to see a R2-3 pick for Dillard. Hoping someone who really wants a LT missed out on Neal, Ekonwu, Cross and Penning. A 2nd on Dillard is just as good an investment as a 2nd on anyone in this draft class when considering age vs potential. Dillard is still young.

A 2nd for Dillard from a team that misses out on the 1st round tackles could potentially be Christian Watson territory. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My guess is Howie/Lurie will put pressure on Sirianni to make this a passing offense with Hurts which will make it more painful.  It will be easier to get a better QB in the 2023 draft.  

The first part they should be doing that anyway to see if hurts can be a good enough passer and making jumps he needs too in order to win at the highest level in the nfl. 

second part not necessarily true. Have multiple teams with multiple picks. Some teams like Seahawks and falcons are going to be horrible anyway so likely picking higher and have multiple picks. It depends on what they do at QB in this draft. 

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's only under-valued because teams are impatient. Applying "time value of money" to picks is dumb, but GMs want to win to keep their jobs.

We dominated trade value. This is true based on every trade chart.

 

It really isn't.  NFL careers are limited time opportunities.  Waiting a year means the whole roster ages another year while waiting to add more talent.  Which is why I said that this is an indication that the team is in rebuild mode... but that flies directly in the face of the move to bring Cox back after they cut him.

Classic Howie... one move for the future with one overpaid move for the present.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Guys I say we trade our 4th rounder every year to get a 2nd in 2 years. I'm sure it'll work every single time.

Who has ever been upset trading a pick for a higher future pick? People shouldn’t look at it as devalued. It’s more that there’s a premium to pay for a current pick. 

18 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

That future year draft value thing is a rough guide, but some of y'all take it way too seriously. Sure let's trade a 2022 7th for a 2028 1st.

If we are getting the 1st... then sure.  It's a guideline, not a rule, but it does matter.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My guess is Howie/Lurie will put pressure on Sirianni to make this a passing offense with Hurts which will make it more painful.  It will be easier to get a better QB in the 2023 draft.  

If they do that then we'll likely see Minshew quickly

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

194 is a 6th. So essentially:

16, 19, 194

for

18, 101, 237, 2023 R1, 2024 R2

is 2 1sts and a 6th for 2 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 7th.

I make that trade every day and laugh while running away.

I'd love to see a R2-3 pick for Dillard. Hoping someone who really wants a LT missed out on Neal, Ekonwu, Cross and Penning. A 2nd on Dillard is just as good an investment as a 2nd on anyone in this draft class when considering age vs potential. Dillard is still young.

Yeah, I got that part mixed up.

I don't watch college ball but I've been seeing over the months that people really seem to think the 2023 draft will be a lot better. Is it that this one is so bad that it makes 2023 look great or are there actually some prospects that will be going in top 5? Are there any generational QBs going in 2023?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Who has ever been upset trading a pick for a higher future pick? People shouldn’t look at it as devalued. It’s more that there’s a premium to pay for a current pick. 

Sure. It's the ultimate Negadelphian take to view the 2024 2nd as "basically 4th round value."

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I don't watch college ball but I've been seeing over the months that people really seem to think the 2023 draft will be a lot better. Is it that this one is so bad that it makes 2023 look great or are there actually some prospects that will be going in top 5? Are there any generational QBs going in 2023?

 

Interesting thing no one is talking about is the Number 16 Pick was the Colts pick from Carson Wentz. 
 

So in essence the 18 and 19 picks are a wash.  No one really cares about the 6th the Eagles got or the 7th the Saints got plus the Eagles get another 1st 2nd and 3rd for dun dun dunnnnn Carson Wentz. 👍

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Sam Howell in the 2nd could be very intriguing if he's available.  I think he's got some serious game to him.  I know a lot of people think he's a Baker Mayfield clone but I just think he's a gamer.

A 2nd for Dillard from a team that misses out on the 1st round tackles could potentially be Christian Watson territory. 

I’m a fan of Howell, Corral and Ridder but not at 16 or 18. 29-40? Yes. 

12 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

This trade tells me the Eagles weren’t happy with any of the QBs in this draft. They did the due diligence on Pickett and Howell all the other guys are projects and didn’t like the fit. 
 

At this point the Eagles have ammo to move up to get Stroud or Young Potentially next year. 
 

The only unfortunate thing is we have to waste anOther year with Hurts…

They are choosing to spend this year with Hurts. We have Minshew, and there are better QBs who could be had for low picks. 

For those who don't think that a future pick has less value... 

 

If the Saints offered their first round pick in 2023 straight up for #16, do you take the deal?  

 Now that they have a new coach hopefully they will suck since Sean Payton’s worst year was 7 wins, which makes it a good time to make a trade for picks with the Saints. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't watch college ball but I've been seeing over the months that people really seem to think the 2023 draft will be a lot better. Is it that this one is so bad that it makes 2023 look great or are there actually some prospects that will be going in top 5? Are there any generational QBs going in 2023?

I think there's a better selection for 2023.  This year's first round class consists of Pickett and a bunch of scampering midgets who tuck and run after the first read -- sometimes before.

2023 allows the Eagles to let other teams take the "dual threat" runners early, and will still have a better chance of getting a real QB who can distribute the football with one of the alternatives.

 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For those who don't think that a future pick has less value... 

 

If the Saints offered their first round pick in 2023 straight up for #16, do you take the deal?  

Can’t just throw out the value of the 2nd and 3rd.