I don't want them to do this because the contract is going to be huge but would Seattle trade DK for a 2023 1st?

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Can’t just throw out the value of the 2nd and 3rd. 

You clearly missed the point of the hypothetical question, but in so answering, answered it.  You wouldn't.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For those who don't think that a future pick has less value... 

 

If the Saints offered their first round pick in 2023 straight up for #16, do you take the deal?  

No but for 19 I would have thought harder about it. Still would have wanted a sweetener 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't want them to do this because the contract is going to be huge but would Seattle trade DK for a 2023 1st?

They would be dumb not to as they rebuild

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For those who don't think that a future pick has less value... 

 

If the Saints offered their first round pick in 2023 straight up for #16, do you take the deal?  

Yeah I know nothing should surprise me anymore, but the amount of doubt and confusion on such a simple well-established premise is bizarre to say the least.

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

No but for 19 I would have thought harder about it. Still would have wanted a sweetener 

Exactly, because it is less valuable.  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For those who don't think that a future pick has less value... 

 

If the Saints offered their first round pick in 2023 straight up for #16, do you take the deal?  

Obviously not.

Your turn. The Saints 2022 3rd rounder (the other one) for the Eagles 2024 1st?

Most GMs have high discount rates b/c they may not have the job 3 years from now when a future draft pick finally starts for their team.

Howie just signed an extension and his owner signed off on continuing the rebuild.

So his discount rate is close to zero.

That allows him to engage in inter-temporal arbitrage.

36 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't watch college ball but I've been seeing over the months that people really seem to think the 2023 draft will be a lot better. Is it that this one is so bad that it makes 2023 look great or are there actually some prospects that will be going in top 5? Are there any generational QBs going in 2023?

Nobody knows. This year was supposed to be an all time draft class just a year ago. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Another great move by Howie. He's a solid enough draft away from back to back good off-seasons.

We fleeced the Saints. Hopefully they package both picks in a trade up for a QB, as that QB would sit and not help the team win in 2022.

I can see Saints interested in Willis

Seems like a good trade to me. I'm not jumping up and down about it, but the value is excellent and the flexibility in 2023 is good. I think most of us would have made a similar trade.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Obviously not.

Your turn. The Saints 2022 3rd rounder (the other one) for the Eagles 2024 1st?

Point made then.  

As a 'rule' I am generally against the Eagles trading future firsts...  Still carrying scars from horrible trades past.  Ron Solt, Antone Davis, etc.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

Seems like a good trade to me. I'm not jumping up and down about it, but the value is excellent and the flexibility in 2023 is good. I think most of us would have made a similar trade.

I really want another 2022 2nd.  Having 2 picks in the 1st 3 rounds would be huge.

Just now, schuy7 said:

Seems like a good trade to me. I'm not jumping up and down about it, but the value is excellent and the flexibility in 2023 is good. I think most of us would have made a similar trade.

Precisely my feeling.  Not a slam dunk, but a good deal and given the situation with 3 picks, it's a good move.  If the Eagles only had 1 pick, or even just 16 and 19, I doubt that this many people would be celebrating.  

51 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Now, what can he do with Andre Dillard.  If he can somehow get a 2nd out of him that would be something else.  I also think he might trade down again.  

I'd package #101 or #124 with Dillard to move into the 2nd rd.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Exactly, because it is less valuable.  A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I don’t see it as less valuable, it’s just a gamble that’s not worth the risk. If you could tell me it was guaranteed to be in the 8-10 range next year I would trade #16 this year straight up. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Point made then.  

As a 'rule' I am generally against the Eagles trading future firsts...  Still carrying scars from horrible trades past.  Ron Solt, Antone Davis, etc.

You avoided the question because it's moronic to view a 2024 1st the same as a 2022 3rd.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Levis

Jurkovec

Hartman 

my top 3 QBs next year , big big fan of Levis 

Co-sign.

Has some Josh Allen to his game, a little reckless with his body at times a la Wentz, but gives off the confident vibe of a guy that wouldn't be fazed by the expectations in Philly, and that us Eagles fans would really warm to.

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Nobody knows. This year was supposed to be an all time draft class just a year ago. 

So we could end up with another bad QB draft? Well that sucks. Smith should get someone who can actually help him develop

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Most GMs have high discount rates b/c they may not have the job 3 years from now when a future draft pick finally starts for their team.

Howie just signed an extension and his owner signed off on continuing the rebuild.

So his discount rate is close to zero.

That allows him to engage in inter-temporal arbitrage.

So if the Lions offer Howie a 2024 2nd rd pick in exchange for our 3rd rd pick this year, you think he would take it?

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

You avoided the question because it's moronic to view a 2024 1st the same as a 2022 3rd.

I didn't.  I don't trade future firsts.  Nothing is worth that cost.  I also don't drive a car that costs $50k+... but others do.

 

But hey, there's a reason that the Eagles got future picks and not picks in this draft...  

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So if the Lions offer Howie a 2024 2nd rd pick in exchange for our 3rd rd pick this year, you think he would take it?

I would.  Lions might be picking ~35 with that pick.   

Edit:  NVM... I read that as 2023.  

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t see it as less valuable, it’s just a gamble that’s not worth the risk. If you could tell me it was guaranteed to be in the 8-10 range next year I would trade #16 this year straight up. 

That's more or less the same thing. You're buying a raffle ticket, and based on the terms of the raffle, you must assign value to it before you determine how much you should pay (or how many you want to buy.)

Similar to when you are deciding to split aces at the black Jack table. There is more value in splitting aces when the dealer is showing a 6 vs splitting kings when the dealer's showing a 9. You assign a value to the proposition before deciding whether to pull the trigger. Trading draft picks is no different.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I didn't.  I don't trade future firsts.  Nothing is worth that cost.  I also don't drive a car that costs $50k+... but others do.

 

But hey, there's a reason that the Eagles got future picks and not picks in this draft...  

I would.  Lions might be picking ~35 with that pick.   

Edit:  NVM... I read that as 2023.  

Do you seriously think the Eagles would've rather had a 2022 4th than a 2024 2nd?

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Do you seriously think the Eagles would've rather had a 2022 4th than a 2024 2nd?

Do you seriously think a 2024 4th would have been an acceptable substitution for a 2022 4th?

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Do you seriously think the Eagles would've rather had a 2022 4th than a 2024 2nd?

What if it's for a 2022 3rd rd pick in exchange for a 2024 2nd rd pick? You would take the 3rd rd pick, no? I'm fine with trying to redefine the rule of thumb that says future picks are valuated one whole round less than current year picks, but the claims like afan's earlier that the discount is close to zero is silly.