1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

To me this trade only works if we somehow end up with our franchise QB after next years draft. 

If we don’t get that, then the trade didn’t work out? How do you figure?

3 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Bye bye Hurts. Sorry to all huggers.

The thing is, let's say we're picking 15 and the saints at 12, that's not enough to get us in the top two. We may not be able to get either one. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Now, what can he do with Andre Dillard.  If he can somehow get a 2nd out of him that would be something else.  I also think he might trade down again.  

What about Dillard and a pick for a 2nd next year 

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

If we don’t get that, then the trade didn’t work out? How do you figure?

WIthout a Franchise QB, you are competing for draft slots. It really is that simple. All the trades, and all the players will get you only so far without a Franchise QB. If we somehow dont have one after next years draft, then what? we waste/wasted another year, and the cycle continues. Having a good foundation will keep your team mired in mediocrity, just good enough to stay out of a spot where you can land a top QB prospect in the draft, and just bad enough to get bounced from the playoffs early every year. Otherwise known as purgatory. 

Hell no 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hell no 

Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart:

Saints got 1889 points

Eagles got 2418 points

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hell no 

No way I would do it but it’s not the craziest asking price. He’s only gone under 1K yards twice in 8 seasons and is only 28. Given the WR market currently, nothing would surprise me.

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Jimmy Johnson draft pick value chart:

Saints got 1889 points

Eagles got 2418 points

 

Draft values have changed since 1990.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

No way I would do it but it’s not the craziest asking price. He’s only gone under 1K yards twice in 8 seasons and is only 28. Given the WR market currently, nothing would surprise me.

His brain is also scrambled eggs 

48 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Brees comes out of retirement next week. 

I like this trade.  I think it was a smart move by Howie.  My thoughts, starting with the negative:

- Betting against Sean Payton and the Saints, historically, has been a bad idea.  In a Drew Brees hangover year, ravaged by injuries and a tougher schedule, they picked 18.  All of those factors may be better in 2022.

- It’s not a slam dunk win on paper.  They essentially traded #16 for a first next year, a 2nd in 2 years, and a 3rd this year.  That’s not a ransom.  It’s not even very good.  In 2021, teams were getting much better value trading out of these picks for 2022 capital.

- I am not in love with the 2023 QB class any more than this one.  (Not everyone shares that opinion).

The positives:

+ These are the moves that Howie usually gets right.  Unlike the selections themselves, he has earned our trust in gauging the value of draft picks in maneuvering around a draft and flowing picks from year to year.

+ I don’t think GM’s were placing a very high value on top 20 selections in this draft.  Many of us thought Howie might get "stuck” making 3 first round picks.  We all suspected Howie wanted out of that and wanted to roll capital into next year.  In a challenging year to do so, he managed to do it.  And if Howie sold too low, too soon and more enticing offers start flying in…guess what…then we STILL have the flexibility of cashing out of #15 or #18 for that ransom.  This was the safe option to roll capital forward.

+ I don’t entire believe the notion that a 1st rounder now is worth a 2nd rounder next year.  That may apply to a GM on the hot seat, but we all know Howie has the job for life.  And we are fans for life.  If you really want to roll capital into next year, then a 1 now = a 1 later (of course, adjusting for the talent of the draft class, which probably doesn’t favor 2022 anyway).  So accomplishing that plus getting more picks is a win in my book.

+ The Eagles now have 3 consecutive drafts in which they are flush with picks.  Two firsts in 2022 & 2023, an extra 2nd in 2024.  I’m sure Howie is think of rolling some component of that surplus forward indefinitely.

+ This is basically a confirmation of their lack of faith in Hurts, which should come as great news.  

+ While previous wounds and gut instincts say it’s unwise to bet against the Saints, they sure do not look like a promising team on paper for 2022.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I like this trade.  I think it was a smart move by Howie.  My thoughts, starting with the negative:

- Betting against Sean Payton and the Saints, historically, has been a bad idea.  In a Drew Brees hangover year, ravaged by injuries and a tougher schedule, they picked 18.  All of those factors may be better in 2022.

- It’s not a slam dunk win on paper.  They essentially traded #16 for a first next year, a 2nd in 2 years, and a 3rd this year.  That’s not a ransom.  It’s not even very good.  In 2021, teams were getting much better value trading out of these picks for 2022 capital.

- I am not in love with the 2023 QB class any more than this one.  (Not everyone shares that opinion).

The positives:

+ These are the moves that Howie usually gets right.  Unlike the selections themselves, he has earned our trust in gauging the value of draft picks in maneuvering around a draft and flowing picks from year to year.

+ I don’t think GM’s were placing a very high value on top 20 selections in this draft.  Many of us thought Howie might get "stuck” making 3 first round picks.  We all suspected Howie wanted out of that and wanted to roll capital into next year.  In a challenging year to do so, he managed to do it.  And if Howie sold too low, too soon and more enticing offers start flying in…guess what…then we STILL have the flexibility of cashing out of #15 or #18 for that ransom.  This was the safe option to roll capital forward.

+ I don’t entire believe the notion that a 1st rounder now is worth a 2nd rounder next year.  That may apply to a GM on the hot seat, but we all know Howie has the job for life.  And we are fans for life.  If you really want to roll capital into next year, then a 1 now = a 1 later (of course, adjusting for the talent of the draft class, which probably doesn’t favor 2022 anyway).  So accomplishing that plus getting more picks is a win in my book.

+ The Eagles now have 3 consecutive drafts in which they are flush with picks.  Two firsts in 2022 & 2023, an extra 2nd in 2024.  I’m sure Howie is think of rolling some component of that surplus forward indefinitely.

+ This is basically a confirmation of their lack of faith in Hurts, which should come as great news.  

+ While previous wounds and gut instincts say it’s unwise to bet against the Saints, they sure do not look like a promising team on paper for 2022.

Read through it fast but how are we betting against Sean Payton?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I like this trade.  I think it was a smart move by Howie.  My thoughts, starting with the negative:

- Betting against Sean Payton and the Saints, historically, has been a bad idea.  In a Drew Brees hangover year, ravaged by injuries and a tougher schedule, they picked 18.  All of those factors may be better in 2022.

- It’s not a slam dunk win on paper.  They essentially traded #16 for a first next year, a 2nd in 2 years, and a 3rd this year.  That’s not a ransom.  It’s not even very good.  In 2021, teams were getting much better value trading out of these picks for 2022 capital.

- I am not in love with the 2023 QB class any more than this one.  (Not everyone shares that opinion).

The positives:

+ These are the moves that Howie usually gets right.  Unlike the selections themselves, he has earned our trust in gauging the value of draft picks in maneuvering around a draft and flowing picks from year to year.

+ I don’t think GM’s were placing a very high value on top 20 selections in this draft.  Many of us thought Howie might get "stuck” making 3 first round picks.  We all suspected Howie wanted out of that and wanted to roll capital into next year.  In a challenging year to do so, he managed to do it.  And if Howie sold too low, too soon and more enticing offers start flying in…guess what…then we STILL have the flexibility of cashing out of #15 or #18 for that ransom.  This was the safe option to roll capital forward.

+ I don’t entire believe the notion that a 1st rounder now is worth a 2nd rounder next year.  That may apply to a GM on the hot seat, but we all know Howie has the job for life.  And we are fans for life.  If you really want to roll capital into next year, then a 1 now = a 1 later (of course, adjusting for the talent of the draft class, which probably doesn’t favor 2022 anyway).  So accomplishing that plus getting more picks is a win in my book.

+ The Eagles now have 3 consecutive drafts in which they are flush with picks.  Two firsts in 2022 & 2023, an extra 2nd in 2024.  I’m sure Howie is think of rolling some component of that surplus forward indefinitely.

+ This is basically a confirmation of their lack of faith in Hurts, which should come as great news.  

+ While previous wounds and gut instincts say it’s unwise to bet against the Saints, they sure do not look like a promising team on paper for 2022.

Payton isn't their coach anymore.

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

Read through it fast but how are we betting against Sean Payton?

Touché, even more reason to like the trade.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

Read through it fast but how are we betting against Sean Payton?

He’s been so terrified of the Saints the past 5 years he still sees Payton when he closes his eyes 

I really don't understand the Saints logic in making a move like that blind unless there's another shoe to drop. If they KNOW 2 guys they love are gonna be there sure I get it. I just don't believe there's a slam dunk pick guaranteed to be at 16.  Even a trade up doesn't seem like a guarantee to nail "thier guy" with #16 and #18.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I really don't understand the Saints logic in making a move like that blind unless there's another shoe to drop. If they KNOW 2 guys they love are gonna be there sure I get it. I just don't believe there's a slam dunk pick guaranteed to be at 16.  Even a trade up doesn't seem like a guarantee to nail "thier guy" with #16 and #18.

I think someone higher in the draft tentatively agreed to move down with the Saints for 16+18+change if a certain player is available.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hendon Hooker 

What’s up with the Coastal Carolina QB? You follow them closely?

If nothing else, the trade likely reduced our level of first-round disappointment by one-third.

There’s a world where a team would give up a high day 2 pick for Hurts if they miss on a QB this draft

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I really don't understand the Saints logic in making a move like that blind unless there's another shoe to drop. If they KNOW 2 guys they love are gonna be there sure I get it. I just don't believe there's a slam dunk pick guaranteed to be at 16.  Even a trade up doesn't seem like a guarantee to nail "thier guy" with #16 and #18.

Agreed... I think there's another move to come, just like with Miami and the SF move last year.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

I think his value is the highest now. decent year, it looks like we're trying to build something, or at least have confidence with him for another year.   Bait and switch and unload Hurts this week

Oh dear lord please I’ve been a good person 

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think someone higher in the draft tentatively agreed to move down with the Saints for 16+18+change if a certain player is available.

The "if" is what gets me.  They must be mighty confident that special someone is falling to where they can get him. And no one can out-bid them. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hendon Hooker 

Is he coming back to Tennessee next season?  sports-reference.com has him as being a SR in 2021 and if he RS'd at some point they usually note that and adjust the player's status. 

He played in 3 games in 2018 at VaTech, but didn't throw a pass.  In '19 and '20 he played in 18 games for VaTech and threw 312 passes total.

He transferred to Tennessee for the 2021 season, played 13 games and threw 303 passes for 2945 yards, 68.0 comp% with 31 TDs to only 3 INTs.  He had the 3rd highest QB rating in the FBS (Grayson McCall of Coastal Carolina was 1st).  However, he also ran the ball 166 times for a 64/36 pass/run ratio which is a bit concerning.  And in his 2 seasons at VaTech it was 56/44, which is weird that he runs so much because his YPC over those 3 seasons is only 3.9.  Still, to put up 68% comp and 31-3 TD/INT ratio in the SEC is pretty impressive.

If that site doesn't have his status right and he comes back to UT for 2022 then it'd be interesting to see if he gets his pass/run ratio more around 80/20 while keeping his passing stats within the ballpark of what he did in 2021.  Good size at 6'4" 218 as well.