5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

People here now really clamoring for Jimmy G? Hurts is better. 

At running

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

People here now really clamoring for Jimmy G? Hurts is better. 

You can’t have it both ways.  If Hurts is so special because he "took the Eagles to the playoffs” then Jimmy G is better because he "took SF to the NFCCG.”

You can’t elevate Hurts above other qbs simply because the Eagles made the playoffs, equate him to other qbs simply because they all lost in round 1, and then say he’s better than qbs who advanced deep in the playoffs simply because you like Hurts better as a player.  
 

It doesn’t work that way.

Bring him back

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Just thinking about the AFC with Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert for the next few years.

Other than Murray, is there a decent, young QB in the NFC?

 

Not really.  All the top QBs in the NFC are veterans.  Dak is good when he has 2, 3 all pro WRs to throw to but I don't consider him really that young.

Not sure Murray is anything to be excited about either.  He's very up and down.

26 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Wow , crazy but I can see it 

 

 

Payton is seeing what it's like without an all time great QB.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You can’t have it both ways.  If Hurts is so special because he "took the Eagles to the playoffs” then Jimmy G is better because he "took SF to the NFCCG.”

You can’t elevate Hurts above other qbs simply because the Eagles made the playoffs, equate him to other qbs simply because they all lost in round 1, and then say he’s better than qbs who advanced deep in the playoffs simply because you like Hurts better as a player.  
 

It doesn’t work that way.

Consider the source.

22 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

People here now really clamoring for Jimmy G? Hurts is better. 

Both make me shed a tear thinking about either as the Eagles starting QB

25 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

People here now really clamoring for Jimmy G? Hurts is better. 

False

 

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You can’t have it both ways.  If Hurts is so special because he "took the Eagles to the playoffs” then Jimmy G is better because he "took SF to the NFCCG.”

You can’t elevate Hurts above other qbs simply because the Eagles made the playoffs, equate him to other qbs simply because they all lost in round 1, and then say he’s better than qbs who advanced deep in the playoffs simply because you like Hurts better as a player.  
 

It doesn’t work that way.

The 49ers' offense had 6 points yesterday. The 49ers won the 2019 NFCCG with 8 total pass attempts.

Hurts is better than Jimmy G because he actually contributes to the offense...and isn't just along for the ride. It is however fair to want more than Hurts.

 

I remember the debate and bet which first we’d rather have from Miami — the Dolphins’ pick or the Niners’. 

That would have sucked. 

24 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

What's pretty cool is that you get to post this again next weekend because Jimmy G is still playing and Hurts isn't.

 

Yeah Jimmy G really out the team on his back last night. 

24 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

At running

 

And throwing. 

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You can’t have it both ways.  If Hurts is so special because he "took the Eagles to the playoffs” then Jimmy G is better because he "took SF to the NFCCG.”

You can’t elevate Hurts above other qbs simply because the Eagles made the playoffs, equate him to other qbs simply because they all lost in round 1, and then say he’s better than qbs who advanced deep in the playoffs simply because you like Hurts better as a player.  
 

It doesn’t work that way.

 

 

Where did I say that's why? 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

The 49ers' offense had 6 points yesterday. The 49ers won the 2019 NFCCG with 8 total pass attempts.

Hurts is better than Jimmy G because he actually contributes to the offense...and isn't just along for the ride. It is however fair to want more than Hurts.

Just along for the ride sounds like a great description of Hurts.  He actually contributes to the offense when he runs.  And only when he runs.  

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

The 49ers' offense had 6 points yesterday. The 49ers won the 2019 NFCCG with 8 total pass attempts.

Hurts is better than Jimmy G because he actually contributes to the offense...and isn't just along for the ride. It is however fair to want more than Hurts.

Both options stink, but give me Hurts for the price. Acquiring a QB we know isn’t the answer is a waste of time. 

People will say having Hurts be the QB also is a waste of time, but at least it’s not a waste of resources. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Both options stink, but give me Hurts for the price. Acquiring a QB we know isn’t the answer is a waste of time. 

People will say having Hurts be the QB also is a waste of time, but at least it’s not a waste of resources. 

Yup. Hurts in 2022 unless we can get Wilson/Watson/Rodgers on a reasonable discount. Otherwise, just build up the rest of the team and hope Hurts improves even a little.

34 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 The only thing saving Burrows QBR, (which is bad) is his avg attempt.   Sacks kill your QBR numbers, but obviously not passer rating.  
 

I'd still rather go with Minshew than Hurts for 2022 if we're not doing anything

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd still rather go with Minshew than Hurts for 2022 if we're not doing anything

No kidding.  How is Hurts not a waste of resources?  The Eagles are wasting every 1st and 2nd round pick they’ve spent on offense the past few seasons having to co-exist with Hurts.

I’d be happier drafting a guy like Howell or Ridder and hoping they can be developed rather than continue on the same path when it’s painfully obvious Hurts isn’t developing.  Giving the job to Hurts for another season is the equivalent of Joe Judge doing his QB sneaks in the shadow of his own goalposts.

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd still rather go with Minshew than Hurts for 2022 if we're not doing anything

It makes sense, but I don't think the FO would want to deal with the press and impact to the locker room.  To them the marginal improvement wouldn't be worth the headache.

Go big or stick with Hurts.

So theoretically if the Eagles traded Hurts what is his value in draft picks?

The eagles can’t/ won’t develop Hurts , what makes you think they could develop another young QB ?

just by the things the Eagles ask of hurts , shows they aren’t interested in teaching him how to play the QB position , IMO 

2 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

So theoretically if the Eagles traded Hurts what is his value in draft picks?

Normally 5th/6th.

Maybe because he has two years left on a rookie contract it bumps to a 4th.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd still rather go with Minshew than Hurts for 2022 if we're not doing anything

It should be an open QB competition for the starting job.  Hurts hasn't done enough to earn the right for it to be handed to him.  He hasn't progressed enough as a PASSER, still doesn't see enough of the field, still too slow on processing what he sees, still doesn't pull the trigger when throws are there to be made (which means he doesn't trust himself and that's a really bad red flag), still lack pocket presence and leaves or dances around in clean pockets by NFL standards, and still throws the ball late allowing DBs to make plays on it.

Now, we all know Minshew isn't a QB that is likely going to take you on a deep playoff run as he has some of his own limitations, but they are far less than Hurts' at this point.  And the things you need most from a QB (ability to read a D pre-snap, good processing to get the ball out on time, good enough field vision to go through progressions, good enough pocket presence) he has to at least an acceptable standard.  Having him be QB in 2022 would at least give our young skill position players a better chance to develop their games. 

But, since we backdoored into the playoffs, if we don't acquire a QB either trade or draft, then the FO will have Hurts starting again in 2022.  And the Bucs and NYG gave the NFL the blueprint for how to shutdown our O with Hurts at QB.

 

8 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

The eagles can’t/ won’t develop Hurts , what makes you think they could develop another young QB ?

just by the things the Eagles ask of hurts , shows they aren’t interested in teaching him how to play the QB position , IMO 

Why do you assume it's that the Eagles can't coach and not that Hurts just doesn't possess the abilities to get it?  I've said it before that things like seeing the field, being able to make quick decisions on when/where to throw the ball, and pocket presence are more natural and innate qualities than ones that can be taught and learned.  And Hurts just doesn't have those natural innate abilities.  He's had TWO different coaching staffs working with him with the Eagles.  It's him.