2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Eh this I'm not sure about. Even way more sure-fire prospects flame out in the first.  I do think teams will roll the dice on some of these guys anyway because a few of them have traits that could develop and QB is such a sought after position. Just think all of em have a pretty high bust potential as well. 

2016: Prescott
2017: Mahomes, Watson
2018: Allen, Jackson
2019: Murray
2020: Burrow, Herbert
2021: TBD, but Lawrence showed enough IMO to feel good about it

So there's been at least one franchise QB in every single draft class over the past 6 years.

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We were talking about players going in the 1st rd. Especially the top 15 (before the Eagles). Teams reach but usually whiff.

Dak was 4th rd, Jackson was the last pick of the first round, Carr was #36, Garoppolo was #62. Just shows that if you don't think a QB's a sure thing, gamble later in the draft.

I see people say this a lot, but it doesn’t actually make any sense. Just because you pick someone later, or earlier, doesn’t mean they’re actually gonna be good. NFL QB is an extremely unique thing, and certain individuals have it, and most don’t. But if you have two QBs who aren’t a sure thing, taking one later isn’t somehow the "smart” thing. Or not smart thing. Each individual will either work out, or they won’t. Regardless (irregardless is a nonsense word) of when they were taken. If you believe in a QB, take him. Period. Yes, most QBs taken in the first round flame out. But waiting to take one later isn’t some sort of magical trick to QB drafting. 

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

No one knows for sure but Pickett and Ridder in college have already ran offenses with more NFL concepts, than Hurts, and every QB taken last season except for Lance (one season)  and Mills because he played at Stanford. 
 

I dont know for sure what will play out, but Hurts has until about mid season to show he has improved greatly at beinga  pocket passer, or he gets yanked for Minshew. 

40 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I dont know for sure what will play out, but Hurts has until about mid season to show he has improved greatly at beinga  pocket passer, or he gets yanked for Minshew. 

People have an exaggerated opinion of Minshew. To me he's similar to the Detmer brothers, solid backup who could never cut it as starters due to size and lack of arm strength. Both super smart, but just didn't have enough skill to start.

The only way Minshew starts is Hurts plays worse than last season, b/c with an improved defense, an OL with more time together, and hopefully better RBs, this team should go 10-7 with last year's version of Hurts. And no one is yanking a starting QB who takes you to the playoffs for a backup with no upside.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People have an exaggerated opinion of Minshew. To me he's similar to the Detmer brothers, solid backup who could never cut it as starters due to size and lack of arm strength. Both super smart, but just didn't have enough skill to start.

The only way Minshew starts is Hurts plays worst than last season, b/c with an improved defense, an OL with more time together, and hopefully better RBs, this team should go 10-7 with last year's version of Hurts. And no one is yanking a starting QB who takes you to the playoffs for a backup with no upside.

Hurts is the one with whom folks have the exaggerated opinion.  No one that I've seen has said anything about Minshew that would make you think that anyone sees him as the long term answer, just as a more accomplished passer than Hurts, enabling Sirianni to implement the offense he really wants to run, and the type of passing attack that Lurie wants.  

 

The current starting QB has no upside.  He's also a solid backup that will win games on the strength of his legs.  Both are backups.  Both are limited, but their limits are different.  One forces you to play everything at or behind the LOS.  The other allows you to actually throw the ball beyond the LOS with some sort of consistency.   And so that we understand how things happen... they didn't get to the playoffs because Hurts took them there.  They got there on the strength of the OL and the weak schedule.  The QB went along for the ride, along with the defense.

19 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I dont know for sure what will play out, but Hurts has until about mid season to show he has improved greatly at beinga  pocket passer, or he gets yanked for Minshew. 

Unless the Eagles draft a QB in the 3rd round or sooner. 

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People have an exaggerated opinion of Minshew. To me he's similar to the Detmer brothers, solid backup who could never cut it as starters due to size and lack of arm strength. Both super smart, but just didn't have enough skill to start.

The only way Minshew starts is Hurts plays worst than last season, b/c with an improved defense, an OL with more time together, and hopefully better RBs, this team should go 10-7 with last year's version of Hurts. And no one is yanking a starting QB who takes you to the playoffs for a backup with no upside.

Minshew has a stronger arm than Hurts, and put up better numbers on a worse team than Hurts.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Minshew has a stronger arm than Hurts, and put up better numbers on a worse team than Hurts.

You're blind. Hurts has a stronger arm, his mechanics are erratic, and that hurts his accuracy on his long ball.

If Minshew had an arm as strong as Hurts, he'd be starting in the NFL.

I don't know if this is all true but if so,  absolutely Fing insane. Saw this posted on Facebook.  Not gonna look it all up.

Quote

 

-Will Smith is devastated.

 

•TEN YEARS of the Oscars Ceremony was vetoed.

•His biographical film was cancelled.

•Bad Boys 4 was cancelled.

•The Fast & Loose movie he was shooting for Netflix has been cancelled.

•The movie I AM LEGEND 2 no longer wants it and they offered Michael B their role. 

•He was expelled from the Academy of Sciences and Cinematic Arts (He didn't resign, he was fired).

•His wife didn't back him up, in an interview for AMERICAN WEEKLY he declared that she didn't ask to be saved and called him "EXAGERATED".

•His wife's boyfriend is going to take out a book charging a fortune to sell his story.

•Chris Rock’s brothers are looking for him, they publicly said "We’re going to tear you apart.”

•No producer wants to work with him on any kind of project.

• Their dramatic series BELL AIR reboot of Bell Air Prince is being smashed by criticism.

•At this moment he is in rehab to control his depression and temper tantrums of anger...

 

 

On 4/9/2022 at 4:08 AM, Infam said:

There have been some perfect deep balls dropped. So it’s easy to find just the right metrics to ‘prove your eyes right’.

To me it means you had your opinion locked and sealed and were willing to ignore what happened on the field.

Hurts has not won the job moving forward past next year, he still has to prove he can do better. But this ‘weak arm no deep ball’ garbage is just pathetic.

 

It's not just the deep balls that were thrown it's also about the ones that weren't.

Where hurts had guys running deep and never saw them or never trusted his arm to get it there on time 

Can hurts throw the ball 60 yards? Probably, can he get it there with velocity?nope, can he spilt the safeties?, nope, can he fit throws in tight windows short- deep? Nope.

Can he whip a pass to the opposite hash 

With velocity? Nope 

Hurts has a very average arm, together with his lack of timing, vision, and accuracy he's a very average passer.

Guys like Mahomes, Rodgers, Stafford, Herbert, Josh Allen, have elite arms where they can make elite throws all over the field and beat coverage with those throws, hurts doesn't.

His game needs to based in timing and accuracy neither if which he has either.

That hurts can throw the ball 60 yards so stop with this weak arm garbage, is garbage, just because he can toss a football 60yards on a rainbow with minimal velocity doesn't mean he has a strong arm by NFL standards. 

 

44 minutes ago, blindside said:

I see people say this a lot, but it doesn’t actually make any sense. Just because you pick someone later, or earlier, doesn’t mean they’re actually gonna be good. NFL QB is an extremely unique thing, and certain individuals have it, and most don’t. But if you have two QBs who aren’t a sure thing, taking one later isn’t somehow the "smart” thing. Or not smart thing. Each individual will either work out, or they won’t. Regardless (irregardless is a nonsense word) of when they were taken. If you believe in a QB, take him. Period. Yes, most QBs taken in the first round flame out. But waiting to take one later isn’t some sort of magical trick to QB drafting. 

  No one knows for sure about any prospect, last week one of the draft pundits on a Podcast asked " What if the difference between Pickett and Burrows final college season is that one of them had 2 legit All Pro WR’s”.   We didn’t know it then, but we know it now.    
 Everyone saw what Cunningham, and Culpepper did in Minny when they had 2 All Pros, both of them looked like great passing QB’s.    
 2022 could end up like 2013 for QB’s, or it could be 2012 minus Andrew Luck, but have solid starting QB’s all over the place in the draft.  2021 being called a great class at the time may not turn out to be true, Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, and Fields have the arm strength and prototypical QB size, but it doesn’t make any of them good QB’s at the NFL level. 

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People have an exaggerated opinion of Minshew. To me he's similar to the Detmer brothers, solid backup who could never cut it as starters due to size and lack of arm strength. Both super smart, but just didn't have enough skill to start.

The only way Minshew starts is Hurts plays worst than last season, b/c with an improved defense, an OL with more time together, and hopefully better RBs, this team should go 10-7 with last year's version of Hurts. And no one is yanking a starting QB who takes you to the playoffs for a backup with no upside.

So because Hurts can run the football he has upside and more/better skills, but because the Detmers could do things (that Hurts has yet to demonstrate he can do) like read a D and throw from the pocket, but couldn't run then Hurts is better than them (and Minshew)? 

And I disagree on the exaggerated opinion of Minshew.  Nobody here has stated he's the QB of the future and can take us on a deep playoff run.  We've pretty much admitted he's a stopgap.  What most of those who have planted their flags on Hurts Hill have failed to understand is that some of us here just feel that Minshew is the better backup since we see BOTH QBs as top end backups.  That's the difference.  Minshew is a better passer at this point and most likely going forward as well.  I know I'll get the regurgitated default reply of 'Hurts needing more time to improve and that Minshew is the finished product' rubbish of a statement, which really has no merit.  Minshew is 2 years older, has played in the NFL 3 seasons to Hurts' 2, and has started 22 games to Hurts' 19 (and he's put up better stats as a passer on an ishier team).  Yet for some reason Minshew is the finished product and Hurts is still growing?  Minshew is utterly incapable of improving some more with good coaching?  Only Hurts can improve?

This season is put up or shut up for Hurts.  If he puts up then his critics will shut up.  He has to show drastic improvement as a passer from the pocket.  I don't want to see him break the pocket early because he thinks there's pressure around him when by NFL standards (yes, this isn't Bama or OU anymore) the pocket is clean enough to throw from.  We know he can take off and run with the ball (which we might see less of now that DCs have a full season of tape on him, especially the TB playoff game that shows how to neutralize him), but that was 2021.  In 2022 we want to see if he can pass the ball well enough from the pocket and to all areas of the field, not just around the LoS.  But I guess we shouldn't expect too much from 6' QBs who lack arm strength.

 

 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I don't know if this is all true but if so,  absolutely Fing insane. Saw this posted on Facebook.  Not gonna look it all up.

 

Will Smith is a broken man, Jada broke him. He needs to get as far away from her as possible. I have no clue why he is still with her. 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You're blind. Hurts has a stronger arm, his mechanics are erratic, and that hurts his accuracy on his long ball.

If Minshew had an arm as strong as Hurts, he'd be starting in the NFL.

Hasn't it already been established that Minshew threw at a higher MPH than hurts at combine?

5 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

So because Hurts can run the football he has upside and more/better skills, but because the Detmers could do things (that Hurts has yet to demonstrate he can do) like read a D and throw from the pocket, but couldn't run then Hurts is better than them (and Minshew)? 

And I disagree on the exaggerated opinion of Minshew.  Nobody here has stated he's the QB of the future and can take us on a deep playoff run.  We've pretty much admitted he's a stopgap.  What most of those who have planted their flags on Hurts Hill have failed to understand is that some of us here just feel that Minshew is the better backup since we see BOTH QBs as top end backups.  That's the difference.  Minshew is a better passer at this point and most likely going forward as well.  I know I'll get the regurgitated default reply of 'Hurts needing more time to improve and that Minshew is the finished product' rubbish of a statement, which really has no merit.  Minshew is 2 years older, has played in the NFL 3 seasons to Hurts' 2, and has started 22 games to Hurts' 19 (and he's put up better stats as a passer on an ishier team).  Yet for some reason Minshew is the finished product and Hurts is still growing?  Minshew is utterly incapable of improving some more with good coaching?  Only Hurts can improve?

This season is put up or shut up for Hurts.  If he puts up then his critics will shut up.  He has to show drastic improvement as a passer from the pocket.  I don't want to see him break the pocket early because he thinks there's pressure around him when by NFL standards (yes, this isn't Bama or OU anymore) the pocket is clean enough to throw from.  We know he can take off and run with the ball (which we might see less of now that DCs have a full season of tape on him, especially the TB playoff game that shows how to neutralize him), but that was 2021.  In 2022 we want to see if he can pass the ball well enough from the pocket and to all areas of the field, not just around the LoS.  But I guess we shouldn't expect too much from 6' QBs who lack arm strength.

 

 

Hurts is basically going to be a rookie so...😒

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Will Smith is a broken man, Jada broke him. He needs to get as far away from her as possible. I have no clue why he is still with her. 

yeah but all that other stuff as punishment. Everyone wants their own pound of flesh, and hes been piled on mercilessly. Its far overboard. A slap in the face shouldn't ruin a guys life. 

Here is a freshly made career highlights video os Hassan Haskins released today

 

Just now, Utebird said:

Hurts is basically going to be a rookie so...😒

It's his first full freshman season.  The previous 2 were redshirt seasons. 

 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Will Smith is a broken man, Jada broke him. He needs to get as far away from her as possible. I have no clue why he is still with her. 

Yup. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

People have an exaggerated opinion of Minshew. To me he's similar to the Detmer brothers, solid backup who could never cut it as starters due to size and lack of arm strength. Both super smart, but just didn't have enough skill to start.

The only way Minshew starts is Hurts plays worse than last season, b/c with an improved defense, an OL with more time together, and hopefully better RBs, this team should go 10-7 with last year's version of Hurts. And no one is yanking a starting QB who takes you to the playoffs for a backup with no upside.

Ty detmer actually had a pretty good arm before he tore both his shoulders in a bowl game against Texas A&M, he was never the same after that.☹️

16 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Will Smith is a broken man, Jada broke him. He needs to get as far away from her as possible. I have no clue why he is still with her. 

 That’s what Amanda Heard did to Johnny Depp, she had him canceled by the loonies and it was her whipping his arse, the whole time. 

Just reading about WIll Smith's marriage and I have no idea how it has lasted this long.  Jada doesn't seem to be that fond of him; cried at her wedding because her relation didn't approve of having a kid out of wedlock, complained that her 40th birthday was all about his ego, etc.

In some respects, he deserves a lifetime achievement award from men for putting up with her all this time 😉

Will Smith getting what he deserves , needs to grow a pair and stop being Jadas **** 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah but all that other stuff as punishment. Everyone wants their own pound of flesh, and hes been piled on mercilessly. Its far overboard. A slap in the face shouldn't ruin a guys life. 

Here is a freshly made career highlights video os Hassan Haskins released today

 

Decent vision/angles but don’t see nfl burst from haskins 

7 minutes ago, Allhaildawk said:

Decent vision/angles but don’t see nfl burst from haskins 

hes the Jordan Howard improvement. Hes not the game breaking speed guy. 

36 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

It's his first full freshman season.  The previous 2 were redshirt seasons. 

 

They are running out of excuses. Maybe the next one will be first full year without JJAW