Everyone knows greeks can't play EDGE 

55 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Williams is an explosive WR who gets down the field.  Really like him but not sure he fits with this team.  He is pretty similar in stature to Smith and Hurts isn't known for his deep ball.

Would prefer Burks or Watson to compliment Smith.  They offer more in terms of size to move the chains and create YAC.  You can throw short/intermediate to those guys and actually have them break some tackles.

17 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Williams is an explosive WR who gets down the field.  Really like him but not sure he fits with this team.  He is pretty similar in stature to Smith and Hurts isn't known for his deep ball.

Would prefer Burks or Watson to compliment Smith.  They offer more in terms of size to move the chains and create YAC.  You can throw short/intermediate to those guys and actually have them break some tackles.

I wouldn’t worry too much about fit with the QB right now. If a QB can’t make good use of Smith/Williams he shouldn’t be our QB. 

And let’s be honest, Hurts is almost assuredly not our QB for the long term. 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Williams is an explosive WR who gets down the field.  Really like him but not sure he fits with this team.  He is pretty similar in stature to Smith and Hurts isn't known for his deep ball.

Would prefer Burks or Watson to compliment Smith.  They offer more in terms of size to move the chains and create YAC.  You can throw short/intermediate to those guys and actually have them break some tackles.

I wouldnt draft a WR to fit Hurt's needs/playstyle. Just get me a really good WR who gets open regardless where they are on the field. If Hurts cant get the ball to 2-3 open WRs and a really good TE and 2 pass catching RBs then what are we talking about here?

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I wouldn’t worry too much about fit with the QB right now. If a QB can’t make good use of Smith/Williams he shouldn’t be our QB. 

And let’s be honest, Hurts s almost assuredly not our QB for the long term. 

It would just be nice to have somebody to throw it up to on 3rd downs/TDs.  Somebody who can create some YAC.  When was the last time the Eagles had a WR who could break a damn tackle?

12 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Williams is an explosive WR who gets down the field.  Really like him but not sure he fits with this team.  He is pretty similar in stature to Smith and Hurts isn't known for his deep ball.

Would prefer Burks or Watson to compliment Smith.  They offer more in terms of size to move the chains and create YAC.  You can throw short/intermediate to those guys and actually have them break some tackles.

I don't give a wooden nickle about which WR fits with Hurts, he's a placeholder QB, nothing more.

Any WR they draft needs to be the best WR available with a better future QB in mind.

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

It would just be nice to have somebody to throw it up to on 3rd downs/TDs.  Somebody who can create some YAC.  When was the last time the Eagles had a WR who could break a damn tackle?

Tbh it was agholor, Jordan Matthews, before that I'd say maclin. Smh that list is crap.. FO needs to do better instead of selling us excuses. Unfortunately some fans keep buying them hoping for any sign of good. 

16 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

It would just be nice to have somebody to throw it up to on 3rd downs/TDs.  Somebody who can create some YAC.  When was the last time the Eagles had a WR who could break a damn tackle?

Williams can create YAC. He might not be a tackle breaker, but if you hit him in stride on a slant or an over route and he can outrun angles. He hit 23 mph. Only Tyreek and Mostert have hit that number in the pros. 

6 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

Tbh it was agholor, Jordan Matthews, before that I'd say maclin. Smh that list is crap.. FO needs to do better instead of selling us excuses. Unfortunately some fans keep buying them hoping for any sign of good. 

Exactly.  That's what I am saying.  I think the last good all around WR we had was TO.  

Everybody jumping on the Hurts fit which really wasn't the point.  The Eagles need an all around WR not a one trick pony.  With Williams, due to his injury, we don't even know if he still has that trick.  

No thanks.  Give me Burks or Watson.  

2 hours ago, Infam said:

Exactly what they said about Barnett.

Let’s not make the same mistake twice.

I thought the knock on Karlaftis was the lack of production vs. the physical testing whereas the knock on Barnett was the lack of elite testing numbers.  

I mean: 

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Williams can create YAC. He might not be a tackle breaker, but if you hit him in stride on a slant or an over route and he can outrun angles. He hit 23 mph. Only Tyreek and Mostert have hit that number in the pros. 

Burks hit 22.6 mph at over 30 lbs heavier.

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Exactly.  That's what I am saying.  I think the last good all around WR we had was TO.  

Everybody jumping on the Hurts fit which really wasn't the point.  The Eagles need an all around WR not a one trick pony.  With Williams, due to his injury, we don't even know if he still has that trick.  

No thanks.  Give me Burks or Watson.  

I got your point just wanted to elaborate on how much a problem it really is. Honestly it's the team mold that lurie or Howie has as u can see the patterns in skill positions drafted. Physical possession WRs or deep threats. YAC isn't part of the vision but it'd sure be nice to have ppl move the chains. When your TE is the only target capable, possible of breaking tackles u are asking for trouble..

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Exactly.  That's what I am saying.  I think the last good all around WR we had was TO.  

Everybody jumping on the Hurts fit which really wasn't the point.  The Eagles need an all around WR not a one trick pony.  With Williams, due to his injury, we don't even know if he still has that trick.  

No thanks.  Give me Burks or Watson.  

TO was probably the last top 5 player the team had at receiver.  He was physically unique.  I don't know that Burks or Watson are that type of WR.  Maclin was a very good all around WR and put up one season where he was top 10 at his position.  Desean Jackson also had a top 10 season as a WR.  I would rather have the better prospect because size doesn't matter in terms of production.  I mean no one would think Tyreek Hill isn't worth a first round pick.  

The Burks vs. TO comparison is interesting: 

 

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Burks hit 22.6 mph at over 30 lbs heavier.

Burks is interesting to watch. He doesn't look like he runs that fast but then he literally just blows past everyone on the field.

9 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Burks hit 22.6 mph at over 30 lbs heavier.

Sure. Can’t run a route to save his life though. I don’t trust us to develop that. 

Going back to Karlaftis. What’s the better value for a power rusher: 

* Karlaftis in round 1

* Logan Hall in a trade down in round 1 or trade up in round 2

* Paschal or Enagbare in round 2

10 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 All stats need some context, but as others here have said, George Pickens is way under-rated.  That dude is a catching machine, even on bad throws, he has the best hands in the draft, and probably the best catch radius. 
 My guy Burks seems to lose focus on easy catches, but he does catch passes everywhere in traffic, a ton across the middle and I know he didn’t torch the 40yd, but just watch 2-3 games that have to include Alabama, the guy plays super fast. 

I would be ecstatic with Pickens, Watson, or Pierce in R2.

10 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

I’m sure someone could argue that Pickens is the best all around WR in this draft. He’s in my top 3 in terms of highest ceiling.

Agreed.

8 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

The more I watch Booth, the more I like him.  Can play both sides, has a natural feel for routes and is a ball hawk.  If only he wasn't' a midget.

Midget? He's 6' tall. McDuffie is a midget.

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

I've been warming up to Karlaftis lately the more I read and watch him. He's not in the mold of Barnett, that's our fear talking.

He is best described as a prospect that is better than Kerrigan, but not as good as Nick Bosa. He lands somewhere in the middle of the two, well worth a top 20 pick.

I still would rather do a small trade up for Johnson or Thibodeaux, but Karlaftis would be a good pick.

 

Big Ebiketie fan here, but he's a pure pass rusher. Not really an edge-setter, though that can be taught easier than pass rush technique.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Introducing your USFL mascots.  What on Earth is the Philadelphia one?  Every other teams mascot represents their name in some capacity except this Grimmus looking thing.

 

Ummm...Phanatic? Gritty? Fits the theme.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

People don't like him because he's a white DE.  Purely a visual bias. 

STFU. How you haven't been banned yet for race trolling is beyond me.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Going back to Karlaftis. What’s the better value for a power rusher: 

* Karlaftis in round 1

* Logan Hall in a trade down in round 1 or trade up in round 2

* Paschal or Enagbare in round 2

Round 2 and nothing before. I just can't value pure power rushers on the edge in this league. 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

When was the last time we even had to consider giving a WR a 3rd contract? We should probably worry more about getting them to a 2nd contract at this point. 

We gave two organization-wrecking contracts to Jeffery and Desean Jackson, or as I call them Mr. Vacation and Mr. Holiday.  Get paid and quit showing up for work.

Two cautionary tales on giving out big money to 30-year old WRs. 

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

I've been warming up to Karlaftis lately the more I read and watch him. He's not in the mold of Barnett, that's our fear talking.

He is best described as a prospect that is better than Kerrigan, but not as good as Nick Bosa. He lands somewhere in the middle of the two, well worth a top 20 pick.

I still would rather do a small trade up for Johnson or Thibodeaux, but Karlaftis would be a good pick.

 

 

I don't like comparisons like this though.  This is like when we compare Hurts to Josh Allen based on 2nd year stats...or when everyone compared JJAW to Michael Thomas based on athletic testing simply because both were not fast.

Bosa was not an exceptional athlete.  Those numbers are pretty much the day 1-2 draftable standard for all 6'3" 260-270lb DE's.  Every draft has several players that could have the same numbers next to Bosa.  Karlaftis is not going to be Bosa, Hurts won't be Josh Allen (or Russell Wilson), and JJAW wasn't Mike Thomas.

I don't mean to be a pain or argumentative...I just don't like player comparisons that are based on shared weaknesses.

Nailed it

A few guys we've talked about in here. I think Ruckert could be a player too. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I don't like comparisons like this though.  This is like when we compare Hurts to Josh Allen based on 2nd year stats...or when everyone compared JJAW to Michael Thomas based on athletic testing simply because both were not fast.

Bosa was not an exceptional athlete.  Those numbers are pretty much the day 1-2 draftable standard for all 6'3" 260-270lb DE's.  Every draft has several players that could have the same numbers next to Bosa.  Karlaftis is not going to be Bosa, Hurts won't be Josh Allen (or Russell Wilson), and JJAW wasn't Mike Thomas.

I don't mean to be a pain or argumentative...I just don't like player comparisons that are based on shared weaknesses.

The Bosa Bros were two of the most polished and technically sound pass rushers ever to enter the NFL. Karlaftis in a not that. And not doing a three cone is a bit of a red flag. That tends to be an important test for pass rushers. 

 

30 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

 

This is another one where we are just comparing shared weaknesses between players with similar size.  

I don't know how accurate TO pro-day numbers are at this point...TO was one of the fastest WRs in the NFL in his prime.  His game speed and explosiveness definitely reflected a Julio Jones / Andre Johnson type of WR who ran a 4.3 and jumps 40".  He was really only second to Randy Moss in his era for that elite, explosive WR throne.  If those numbers are all accurate, then TO just transformed into a different human being at some point early in his career.  Baring a similar transformation, I don't think the Burks comparison holds up.

Not sure if posted but this was Mafe at Pro Day

The Golden Valley native weighed in at 257 pounds, and showed off a 41.5-inch vertical leap. He also ran a 4.20 short shuttle. Mafe did not run a 40-yard dash after running a 4.53 at the NFL Combine. He’s a freak athlete and will add tremendous skill on an NFL defensive line. He finished the 2021 season Second Team All-Big Ten, leading the Gophers with seven sacks and 10 tackles for loss. In 42 career games, he had 89 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss and 15 sacks.