5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I keep thinking if a QB drops we trade either 15 or 18 for 32 and 34... Makes the most sense... Get Mafe and your choice of Safety (Brisker, Pitre, Cine, Hill) or someone like Pickens

I don't see the Lions trading back up into the mid-1st. If anything, I see them trading down from #2 if they get an offer. Neither is likely, however.

4 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I don't see the Lions trading back up into the mid-1st. If anything, I see them trading down if they get an offer. Neither is likely, however.

If they end up with Hutchinson the home town kid at 2 I think they definitely would be interested in moving up for QB.  Guess we shall see

37 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes.  It has nothing to do with the fact he is the QB of the Philadelphia Eagles.

His draft profile negatives have not improved, he will never win games with his arm.   Why do you want a running QB to succeed so bad ??

It has everything to do with the fact he is the QB, doesn't cost much, has another inexpensive year left, and is a better bet than any of the QBs in this draft (rookies are full of promise until they hit the field). The grass is always greener.

Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and Lance are more talented than any of this year's QBs, how'd they do last season? We'll just ignore Dan Jones, Darnold, etc.

 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It has everything to do with the fact he is the QB, doesn't cost much, has another inexpensive year left, and is a better bet than any of the QBs in this draft (rookies are full of promise until they hit the field). The grass is always greener.

Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and Lance are more talented than any of this year's QBs, how'd they do last season? We'll just ignore Dan Jones, Darnold, etc.

 

Can you expand on this? Better bet for what? This year? Their entire career? 

24 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

It would depend on how he plays.  If he puts up really good passing numbers consistently and they win a SB then OK we can talk.

But if he goes the Peyton Manning in Denver route where they win a SB on defense and just managing the offense or the Dilfer and Brad Johnson route where they 

 

If the Eagles win a Super Bowl next year or the year after it clearly won't be the result of a dominant all time great defense. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It has everything to do with the fact he is the QB, doesn't cost much, has another inexpensive year left, and is a better bet than any of the QBs in this draft (rookies are full of promise until they hit the field). The grass is always greener.

Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and Lance are more talented than any of this year's QBs, how'd they do last season? We'll just ignore Dan Jones, Darnold, etc.

There are several QB's who are more talented "PASSERS" than Jalen Hurts.  

And you keep comparing rookies to 2nd year QB Jalen Hurts.  His peers are Burrow, Herbert and Tua.  Those are the QB's he should be compared to.

And you always conveniently skip a couple of rookies.  Mac Jones already way ahead of Hurts.

Davis Mills in the middle of a dumpster fire also as good as Hurts already.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It has everything to do with the fact he is the QB, doesn't cost much, has another inexpensive year left, and is a better bet than any of the QBs in this draft (rookies are full of promise until they hit the field). The grass is always greener.

Lawrence, Wilson, Fields and Lance are more talented than any of this year's QBs, how'd they do last season? We'll just ignore Dan Jones, Darnold, etc.

 

So the Eagles will go into the 3rd (at least partial) season of starting, unchallenged, one of the most prolifically bad passers employed by the NFL.  The fact that Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold suck (and that Josh Allen sucked in year 2) doesn't make us any closer to a SB.

The biggest common thread between Josh Allen's early struggles, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, and the rookie year struggles of last year's first round picks is that they were all first round picks who were once promising passers.  Jalen Hurts never was. And yet here he is, unchallenged, kicking the ball around the field for a HS complexity offense for an NFL team.  

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

If the Eagles win a Super Bowl next year or the year after it clearly won't be the result of a dominant all time great defense. 

What do you have against our defense?  Are you rooting for them to fail?

19 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I keep thinking if a QB drops we trade either 15 or 18 for 32 and 34... Makes the most sense... Get Mafe and your choice of Safety (Brisker, Pitre, Cine, Hill) or someone like Pickens

If several QB's drop, and the Eagles like one available at 15, draft him, make the Lions panic to trade up to 18, get 32, 34 and whatever else you can get out of them.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

If the Eagles win a Super Bowl next year or the year after it will be the result of a dominant offensive line and running game while limiting Hurts from performing the primary function of a QB, passing.

FYP

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

If several QB's drop, and the Eagles like one available at 15, draft him, make the Lions panic to trade up to 18, get 32, 34 and whatever else you can get out of them.

Didn't the Lions coach say you don't need a great QB to win in this league? I think Goff is just fine for that rationale

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Ridder will probably need a redshirt year, and Strong has injury concerns.  

Here's where I don't get your logic. You think Ridder can be the next Allen or Mahomes, but you also think every team is going to pass on him until the second or third round. Do you see the disconnect?

As far as Strong, I get the logic of waiting a few rounds to lessen the risk that his knee is going to implode. But doesn't his senior bowl performance concern you at all? He didn't outperform anyone there. What exactly did he do in the senior bowl that screamed "this guy should be a top 10 pick" that makes you think we are getting a potential bargain in the third round?

I think you are doing what I said the Eagles shouldn't do, namely blindly picking names out of the air and hoping to be right.  

Wyatt would be such an underwhelming pick at this point. I would prioritize DE, CB, WR, S over DT. We can grab a DT in later rounds if the plan is to extend Hargrave (which I feel is almost a guarantee at this point).

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Didn't the Lions coach say you don't need a great QB to win in this league? I think Goff is just fine for that rationale

The Lions don't actually have that rationale.  The coach is just Afan-ing it.  And that's his job in front of the media.  If you have a proven non-elite QB, then you argue that you don't need an elite QB to win.

If your secondary is in shambles, then you argue that you don't need a good secondary to play good defense.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The Lions don't actually have that rationale.  The coach is just Afan-ing it.  And that's his job in front of the media.  If you have a proven non-elite QB, then you argue that you don't need an elite QB to win.

If your secondary is in shambles, then you argue that you don't need a good secondary to play good defense.  

I wouldn't put it past that specific coach to believe that rationale

Just now, Texas Eagle said:

I wouldn't put it past that specific coach to believe that rationale

Excellent point.  He's a total meathead.   He probably believes that you start with a blocking TE, a violent FB, lots of antics about toughness, and build from there.

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Here's where I don't get your logic. You think Ridder can be the next Allen or Mahomes, but you also think every team is going to pass on him until the second or third round. Do you see the disconnect?

I think you are doing what I said the Eagles shouldn't do, namely blindly picking names out of the air and hoping to be right.  

I already said it once, Ridder will probably redshirt in the NFL.  He could be the next Mahomes or Allen, scouts have said he has that type of arm, but, also say he should sit for a year.  

Some team may take him in the first.  There is no disconnect.  

I am also not pulling names out of a hat, these are the guys I like and see the arm talent in to succeed.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Excellent point.  He's a total meathead.   He probably believes that you start with a blocking TE, a violent FB, lots of antics about toughness, and build from there.

You forgot the most important thing...

The kneecap biting. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lets go

Had to give up a lot just for them to take Hurts.

Idk he’s pretty unproven. 

12 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Wyatt would be such an underwhelming pick at this point. I would prioritize DE, CB, WR, S over DT. We can grab a DT in later rounds if the plan is to extend Hargrave (which I feel is almost a guarantee at this point).

Yup. Only way I can see us going DT now is if Davis drops to 15 since it seems like we've been pursuing him pretty heavily. DE is a weird spot since the Ojabo injury and Johnson is predicted to go before our pick now. I'm assuming 15 at this point is going to be a small trade up for DT/DE or potentially S/CB if Gardner or Hamilton drops. If we stay put I'm expecting WR. 18 is really up in the air because we have no idea what their board looks like. Do they like any of the CBs or Safeties enough to draft one at 18? Do they rate the next set of DE highly enough to draft one there in Ebitekie or Mafe if they can't trade down? Just a very strange draft in general.

48 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

What do you have against our defense?  Are you rooting for them to fail?

What I have against the defense is that it has long been neglected and as a result we have no young cornerstone players to build around.  Our best players are 30+ so their best days are behind them.  They aren't magically going to improve on the opposite side of 30.  It's why I hope that most if not all of the draft picks over the first two days of the draft are on the defense. 

Defenses don't have staying power in the NFL. When you build a great one, they get paid quickly, and you have to keep turning over new players and hit on them

Jacksonville in 2017 had an amazing defense. It was all gone two years later and they were young too. Or the Seahawks when they won the SB, or the 2011 49ers

Staying power exists more on offense once you get your QB and a weapon or two that you paid and can count on. OL is important, but interior OL are often found in the middle rounds of drafts and are more replaceable

Jameson Williams hitting, Smith, Goedert, and a real QB, a guy who is actually a year in year out top 10 QB, is what would make the Eagles legitimate contenders for the next 5+ years.

With how everything is trending I'm wondering if we're going to have a crazy run on WR. I'm doubtful whether Pickens and Watson make it out of the Top 40 now.

57 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Wyatt would be such an underwhelming pick at this point. I would prioritize DE, CB, WR, S over DT. We can grab a DT in later rounds if the plan is to extend Hargrave (which I feel is almost a guarantee at this point).

Eagles have never drafted a safety In the 1st and the last CB they drafted in the 1st was Lito Shepard 20 years ago.

I'm not saying they won't or I don't want them to I'm saying it's unlikely they do.

The 3 positions Howie's Drafted the most in the 1st round is DL WR and QB.

I imagine he'll hold true to that and a combination of those will be the first two picks.

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