1 hour ago, KDUB1510 said:

 

Only QB I have interest in.

Just now, Outlaw said:

Oh, ok. Just an accessory to murder. Far more palatable.

The privilege of being a football player. Someone I'd call an acquaintance did the same thing. He's in prison now..

Figured most people here had an Athletic subscription. Some snippets:

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2022 draft outliers(DT)

• Only three of the 26 defensive tackles in the sample turned 24 during their rookie NFL season. Of those three, one was drafted in the second round (Kawann Short), one in the fourth round (Henry Melton) and one went undrafted (Harrison). As a projected first-round pick who turned 24 in March, Georgia’s Devonta Wyatt looks like something of a dice roll. Narrow the sample of elite defensive tackles down to just those who were drafted in the first round and only three of the 15 were older than 22 as a rookie.

Beyond the first round, Alabama’s Phidarian Mathis, LSU’s Neil Farrell Jr., UCF’s Kalia Davis, Iowa State’s Eyioma Uwazurike and Ohio State’s Haskell Garrett are also overagers.

• Adding to the concerns about Wyatt is the lack of sack production he shares with teammate Jordan Davis. Let’s acknowledge off the bat that this is a bit of a self-selecting sample because run-stuffing nose tackles are less likely to make the Pro Bowl if they lack gaudy sack totals. But there isn’t much precedent for defensive tackles with limited sack production in college finding it in the pros. Of the six defensive tackles in the sample who never had at least four sacks in a single college season, only Chris Jones and Grady Jarrett turned into pass-rushing threats at the next level while the likes of Haloti Ngata and Dontari Poe stuck to their pre-draft profiles. Worse, Wyatt and Davis both had four seasons to prove their pass-rushing bona fides while three of the aforementioned six were underclassmen.

So the teams willing to draft Wyatt (high of 2.5 sacks), Davis (high of 2.5 sacks), Arkansas John Ridgeway (high of two sacks), Farrell Jr. (high of three sacks) and UCLA’s Otito Ogbonnia (high of two sacks) have to accept that pass-rush production might never come.

• Davis, otherwise, had an outstanding pre-draft process. At 6-6, 341 pounds, he ran what would be the fourth-best 40-yard dash in the sample (4.78) while topping J.J. Watt’s high-water mark for the best broad jump by three inches (123 to 120). It’s easy to see why teams might be willing to bet on his upside. But while it’s true that Georgia’s scheme probably has a lot to do with the limited shared sack production for Wyatt, Davis and Walker, they’re all projections at this point.

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2022 draft outliers(EDGE)

• Presumptive No. 1 pick Aidan Hutchinson’s 32 1/8-inch arms would be the third-smallest compared to the 32 elite edge rushers whose arms were measured prior to the draft. The only smaller arms belong to Melvin Ingram (31 1/2 inches) and Trey Hendrickson (32 inches), both of whom are shorter than Hutchinson. It’s impossible to know if that will affect Hutchinson as a professional, but there hasn’t been a premier edge rusher with his build in recent history. Late-round prospect Tyree Johnson of Texas A&M would have the smallest arms in the sample.

• Meanwhile, Hutchinson’s apparent competition for the top spot, Travon Walker, has 35 1/2-inch arms that would make for the second-longest in the Pro Bowl/All-Pro group behind only Chandler Jones. Walker’s impressive pre-draft process also includes what would be the second-best 40-yard dash (4.51 seconds, behind only Von Miller) and the second-best 10-yard split (1.54 seconds, behind only Cliff Avril).

This is why Walker is billed as such a projection versus production prospect. His season-high sack total at Georgia was six. Of the 45 edge rushers in the sample, only five had fewer sacks in their best season. Only two of them, Ezekial Ansah and Jones, were first-round picks. In this class, USC’s Drake Jackson (high of 5.5 sacks) and Ohio State’s Tyreke Smith (high of three sacks) are also hampered by production questions. Penn State’s Jesse Luketa spent more time at linebacker than defensive end in college, but his 0.5 career sacks are eye-popping.

• Three edge rushers with draftable Brugler grades would have the smallest hands in the sample: Michigan’s David Ojabo, Virginia Tech’s Amaré Barno and Minnesota’s Esezi Otomewo. Barno is a true outlier prospect. He would have the fastest 40-yard dash, fastest 10-yard split and best broad jump of the sample.

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Checks all the boxes

Oregon’s Kayvon Thibodeaux fits the physical and production profile of a future Pro Bowler precisely, while Florida State’s Jermaine Johnson, Purdue’s George Karlaftis and Penn State’s Arnold Ebiketie each lean to a few extremes within the sample. Kentucky’s Josh Paschal, projected as a third-round pick by Brugler, fits the part as well.

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just like no way we go for one in the second a year after giving the current guy a $128M extension?

Am I guaranteeing they do? Nope. Would I be surprised? Nope.

Nothing Howie does is surprising anymore.  

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

If someone who does not have me on ignore will do me a favor, quote this and @ rtk.

I have a bet for you.

Eagles draft a first round QB, you can never put me on ignore again.

Eagles don't draft a first round QB, I will take a 1 month suspension.

Daring.  I don't see the Eagles going QB in Round 1.

Here's a sample scenario...in PFN. Chargers trade up to take Davis at 13:

 

Leaving these as the next 11 highest ranked players on the board:

What do you do here? Essentially to me, the choices are WR (Wilson/Burks/Olave), Karlaftis, Booth, or Pickett. I just can't see them going LB or S or OL R1 this year. So who there is BPA?

 

35 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Not if they have a higher rated player there at 15 (Davis, Wyatt, etc.). I don't see the Saints or Chargers going CB at 16/17, so if Booth is there at 15, he'll most likely be there at 18.

Or a team could leap frog in.

5 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Look, I'm not saying I think QB is LIKELY for them...I'm saying personally that I rate Corral and Ridder equally and would be happy with either one in the first.

I‘d be very pissed if they drafted a QB in the first. Thankfully it‘s not happening.

5 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Will I be crestfallen and throwing things at my TV if they draft say, Jordan Davis and Andrew Booth? Of course not. But if they take George Karlaftis and Drake London, yeah I'm not gonna be happy.

Agreed on both scenarios. Would be happy with Davis/Booth, annoyed with Karlaftis and London.

Really think we will draft a receiver in the first and not too happy about it. We need one and it makes perfect sense financially but the options at receiver seem somewhat underwhelming. Best case for me is Jameson Williams if it has to be a first round WR. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Here's a sample scenario...in PFN. Chargers trade up to take Davis at 13:

 

Leaving these as the next 11 highest ranked players on the board:

What do you do here? Essentially to me, the choices are WR (Wilson/Burks/Olave), Karlaftis, Booth, or Pickett. I just can't see them going LB or S or OL R1 this year. So who there is BPA?

 

 would try to trade back. If that didn’t come together, I’d take Wilson, olave or booth depending on who they had highest on the board. 

11 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Houston seems quite happy with Mills. They have holes EVERYWHERE. I doubt Detroit takes a QB at 2, but they're a trade up candidate with 32/34. Giants aren't going QB. Seattle yes. Carolina yes. Atlanta like the Texans have holes everywhere, they're a maybe. I certainly get your logic, and Corral is not our most likely R1 scenario by any stretch. I'm saying if we did get him, I definitely would not be unhappy.

I would be, and it would be because I have no faith in this team to develop him. 

We can coach the hell out of offensive linemen with Stoutland, and that's about it.  If we were able to do that with a QB, Hurts is a more known commodity than Corral and Sirianni should be well on his way to cleaning him up.  I don't think investing in Corral is worth it - he's not crystal-clearly that far ahead of Hurts.   

It would be our Mahomes situation, only we wouldn't have a proven QB guru like Andy doing it.  Not to say I think Sirianni is a bad coach but I haven't seen him do it yet. 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Here's a sample scenario...in PFN. Chargers trade up to take Davis at 13:

 

Leaving these as the next 11 highest ranked players on the board:

What do you do here? Essentially to me, the choices are WR (Wilson/Burks/Olave), Karlaftis, Booth, or Pickett. I just can't see them going LB or S or OL R1 this year. So who there is BPA?

 

Trade down for someone that wants Pickett

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Daring.  I don't see the Eagles going QB in Round 1.

Yup. I see them taking a QB somewhere in this draft to groom to be a backup. Minshew is on the last year of his contract and likely gone after this year. Hurts if he doesn’t make the necessary improvements only has a year left after this year. Meaning they likely view cheap with potential long term backup being a need. I’m guessing somewhere in rounds 4-7  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Or a team could leap frog in.

True, of course.

2 minutes ago, Infam said:

I‘d be very pissed if they drafted a QB in the first. Thankfully it‘s not happening.

Agreed on both scenarios. Would be happy with Davis/Booth, annoyed with Karlaftis and London.

Really think we will draft a receiver in the first and not too happy about it. We need one and it makes perfect sense financially but the options at receiver seem somewhat underwhelming. Best case for me is Jameson Williams if it has to be a first round WR. 

Yeah, I don't want the R1 WR either. Would much rather go Pickens/Pierce/Phillips, etc. in R2-4.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 would try to trade back. If that didn’t come together, I’d take Wilson, olave or booth depending on who they had highest on the board. 

So you don't think if Pickett is there on the vine that Howie wouldn't pluck that ripe, little-handed tomato? They've gone to his games, taken him to dinner, etc. I think there's true marked interest there. Personally, I'm not a Pickett guy. I would do as you said, try a small trade back or take Booth.

32 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Birds with Friends had a Jordan Davis debate today:

Bo is out on Davis. Concerned about his sack numbers as a 4 year player. Compared him to Dontari Poe.

Berman is high on him.

Sheil is kind of in the middle, but leans more in favor of Davis.

Greg Cosell was very critical of Davis on the intel too. Said he was a tackle for base only and posed the question if a player that hasn‘t seen the field and probably won‘t see the field much is even worth a pick that high.

Really gave me pause. I think Davis will turn out to be a really good player but if he falls at draft day I won‘t be shocked either anymore.

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Did he call the police afterwards and report it?

1 minute ago, bitbased said:

Trade down for someone that wants Pickett

That's ideal. And if you don't get an equitable option to trade down, and have to take someone...?

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Which is the WORST place to be.

Yes. Hurts gets his shot to be a franchise QB in 2022. If he doesn't do that, we're drafting a QB in the top 10 or trading for a veteran.

Given that the most likely outcome is that we're QB shopping next year anyway, in a better draft class, might as well get good players around now to a) evaluate Hurts b) help incoming rookie QB.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. I see them taking a QB somewhere in this draft to groom to be a backup. Minshew is on the last year of his contract and likely gone after this year. Hurts if he doesn’t make the necessary improvements only has a year left after this year. Meaning they likely view cheap with potential long term backup being a need. I’m guessing somewhere in rounds 4-7  

Well to follow afan's logic, they'd have to draft that QB in Round 2 to get a quality backup.

Willis, Pickett and Corral are all going to be selected in top 11 picks.

Eagles should trade up both their first round picks for DT and WR/CB.

 

 

Just now, RLC said:

Yes. Hurts gets his shot to be a franchise QB in 2022. If he doesn't do that, we're drafting a QB in the top 10 or trading for a veteran.

Given that the most likely outcome is that we're QB shopping next year anyway, in a better draft class, might as well get good players around now to a) evaluate Hurts b) help incoming rookie QB.

Yep. That’s why it’s frustrating to see people talk about drafting a QB this year because he’s "an upgrade” on Hurts. We’re not looking for an upgrade. We’re looking for a franchise QB. It’s not the same thing. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Did he call the police afterwards and report it?

 

10 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Here's a sample scenario...in PFN. Chargers trade up to take Davis at 13:

 

Leaving these as the next 11 highest ranked players on the board:

What do you do here? Essentially to me, the choices are WR (Wilson/Burks/Olave), Karlaftis, Booth, or Pickett. I just can't see them going LB or S or OL R1 this year. So who there is BPA?

 

I’m probably going with a duo of Wilson/Booth/Hill here. I think Hill and Wilson would my choices just because it doesn’t seem like Gannon values CB

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

True, of course.

Yeah, I don't want the R1 WR either. Would much rather go Pickens/Pierce/Phillips, etc. in R2-4.

So you don't think if Pickett is there on the vine that Howie wouldn't pluck that ripe, little-handed tomato? They've gone to his games, taken him to dinner, etc. I think there's true marked interest there. Personally, I'm not a Pickett guy. I would do as you said, try a small trade back or take Booth.

I don’t see them taking a QB in the first round at 15 or 18. I could see them if someone like Pickett or corral falls to the end of the first potentially thinking about doing what the ravens did. However i really don’t see either falling to that point. I think at this point they are 99% going with Hurts in 2022.

I think what’s not talked about enough is the eagles likely have scouted and reports on the 2023 QB class and have views on those QBs. Since things can change a lot in a year, the scouting of Pickett and corral is to pick their brain and see if they could be potentially better than what they currently see in 2023. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. That’s why it’s frustrating to see people talk about drafting a QB this year because he’s "an upgrade” on Hurts. We’re not looking for an upgrade. We’re looking for a franchise QB. It’s not the same thing. 

Yup.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Yes. Hurts gets his shot to be a franchise QB in 2022. If he doesn't do that, we're drafting a QB in the top 10 or trading for a veteran.

Given that the most likely outcome is that we're QB shopping next year anyway, in a better draft class, might as well get good players around now to a) evaluate Hurts b) help incoming rookie QB.

I think we are preemptively calling next year a great QB class. There's some guys I'm definitely interested in, like McCall, Jurkovec, McKee, Van Dyke, etc. but I think the "class" is being considered that much higher simply because there are two clearcut options for the top 5 picks in Stroud and Young, of which there are none this year. And there's no guarantee we can get high enough for either (and I'm not a Young fan to begin with). The other guys...a lot will depend on their NCAA years. Some will rise, some will fall.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yep. That’s why it’s frustrating to see people talk about drafting a QB this year because he’s "an upgrade” on Hurts. We’re not looking for an upgrade. We’re looking for a franchise QB. It’s not the same thing. 

 

Thanks!