4 minutes ago, Infam said:

Well, I guess you should‘ve put some money on your full confidence. Would‘ve been one hell of a payout..

You want to put some money on Hurts? I could use some cash 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Wentz helped secure the #1 seed at a point in time where most Super Bowl teams were coming from the #1 or 2 position.  I kept saying how great it was that pundits were sleeping on the #1 seed and how it would work in the Eagles favor.  Every game the Vegas odds kept giving away money by making the home Eagles a betting underdog.

I can’t say my faith wasn’t tested when the Falcons had first-and-goal with the clock under a minute left, but the defense held its goal line.  There wasn’t one playoff game that I didn’t go in extremely confident.

I knew roster-for-roster the Eagles were 13-17 points better than New England going into the Super Bowl.  I picked the Eagles by 9 and knew the only risks were officiating and cheating, and the Eagles underperforming.  Fortunately for all of us that was a day where the better team won.

Congrats. I‘ll admit I went into every game hoping we‘d win but thinking we‘d lose. And I consider myself an optimist..

For the faithful with full confidence then cudos to you. I know the forum was full of doom and gloom and ‚we will never win‘ and ‚Fire Howie‘…

7 minutes ago, blindside said:

You want to put some money on Hurts? I could use some cash 

If the quota is insane enough I‘ll think about it. Not too much of a betting man, if I have a good feeling I put down a small sum once to spice things up but that‘s it.

My kind of bet is reaching the SB at 60:1.. that kind of thing. 😁

6 minutes ago, blindside said:

You want to put some money on Hurts? I could use some cash 

We allowed to do that here? 🤣

Eric Johnson  DT looks like a mid round steal .

55 minutes ago, Greenakers2 said:

Corral?  He's just OK.........................(Had to)

He's golden

5 minutes ago, Infam said:

Congrats. I‘ll admit I went into every game hoping we‘d win but thinking we‘d lose. And I consider myself an optimist..

For the faithful with full confidence then cudos to you. I know the forum was full of doom and gloom and ‚we will never win‘ and ‚Fire Howie‘…

The team had a special chemistry that season that inspired confidence in me.  I could see by watching them how tight-knit the whole group was.  I don’t know what happened to that in the 6-12 months that followed, but it was gone.

Part of it was injuries for sure, part of it was complacency for sure, and part of it was certainly what was born into the Foles/Wentz dynamic, whatever that was.  I believe both of them are really good guys and it seems like they get along great — but when Foles had to take over again in the 2018 stretch and got the Eagles into the playoffs, a win over CHI and a trip to New Orleans — I think it wasn’t "Wentz’s team” anymore.  Letting Foles walk in free agency didn’t cure everything.

1 hour ago, blindside said:

For a smart guy, this is some nonsense. I don’t even know where to begin. But yeah, no one is successful evaluating QBs. Very few succeed. You can find examples of "highly rated” QBs who failed and ones who succeeded. That doesn’t change the fact you need someone who can throw the football. 
 

You could use Brady/Russell Wilson as an example and say "look at all these teams using 1st round picks. Brady/Wilson were drafted in the third round or later. Nick Foles won us a SuperBowl. You should never draft a QB before the third round.”

or "Look at the best QBs in the AFC. Joe Burrow and Josh Allen were high picks. If you want a good QB, you need to move up, period.” 
 

The Logic you’re using could go a million different ways, because there’s obviously no formula for drafting QBs and 99% of them fail no matter where they are drafted. 
 

Jalen Hurts isn’t a top 20 QB. He produces top twenty total yards by over-using his legs, until he plays real teams whose coaches say "he can’t read” and take away the run game and easy throws and he can’t move the football. It doesn’t matter where he or anyone else was drafted. Those facts don’t change

He's a top 20 QB by most measures, not opinion.

PFF had him at 11th, but that includes his running, but last time I checked, they don't count TDs less if the QB runs them in rather than throws them in.

FO has him 17th in DYAR and DVOA, which are passing stats only. FO takes into account strength of opponent.

20th in QBR.

22nd in QB rating, 13th in Net Yards per Attempt, 15th in Adjusted NY/A

So yeah, ignoring the "experts" on this board, the general consensus of various measures of QB play would have him between 15-20th or so as a PASSER.

One reason is probably that his athleticism, outside of actually running, allows him to extend plays and make big throws downfield.

How many of Hurts' rushing TDs were 1-yd QB sneaks? Are we really putting that much into those plays?

Just watched an interview with Greg Cosell from a few weeks ago where he predicts in 3-4 years Jermaine Johnson will be recognized as the best edge rusher (maybe best prospect) to come out of this draft.  He says in his opinion Johnson has the best tape/measureables of all the edge prospects.

I think Johnson is the best "all-around” DE taking into account size, playing the run, ability to push the pocket back and play with power, etc. but I don’t think he’ll amass the most sacks or most production.  I would be very happy if he’s an Eagles pick.

Jakof Media had to get Lord Brunson because EDP was too busy with a minor to give his Jalen Hurts take

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He's a top 20 QB by most measures, not opinion.

PFF had him at 11th, but that includes his running, but last time I checked, they don't count TDs less if the QB runs them in rather than throws them in.

FO has him 17th in DYAR and DVOA, which are passing stats only. FO takes into account strength of opponent.

20th in QBR.

22nd in QB rating, 13th in Net Yards per Attempt, 15th in Adjusted NY/A

So yeah, ignoring the "experts" on this board, the general consensus of various measures of QB play would have him between 15-20th or so as a PASSER.

One reason is probably that his athleticism, outside of actually running, allows him to extend plays and make big throws downfield.

I hear ya on the stats. But as we all know, stats don’t tell the whole story. It pointless to try to talk you out of your position, and I’m sure you’re right about whatever stats. I just know what I see. I don’t know how the stats compile or whatever. But I know he won’t throw a slant because he doesn’t trust his reads. He won’t go through progressions. He doesn’t have the zip to throw deep outs unless he’s rolled right to be closer to the target and it usually involves a tip toe catch because it’s thrown late. (How many times did we see Smith diving and making tip-toe catches that most WRs dont make?) His deep ball is inaccurate. He runs out of clean pockets. And the Bucs coach said "he can’t read”. These are all facts, just as much as your stats you provided. These things are easy to see. There’s 16 games of "film”, but you could see it from the TV broadcast. 
 

so, we both have facts. You’re way more optimistic. I wish I was. But you and I have both been watching football for a long time and we both know in our hearts what is sustainable in the NFL and what’s gonna wash out once people take the Buccaneers approach and take away the run game and easy throws. Load up the box and make him be with his arm which he couldn’t even do in college. He got benched for a quarterback who isn’t very good. Also facts

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jakof Media had to get Lord Brunson because EDP was too busy with a minor to give his Jalen Hurts take

There’s a few people in life I have 0% respect for and Steroid Silz is up there. He’s a roid raging buffoon who has gotten fired from more places than anyone in the public ear should be. Huge piece of crap human too.

He acts like he’s some alpha male extraordinaire but deep down he’s the biggest beta cuck.

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

There’s a few people in life I have 0% respect for and Steroid Silz is up there. He’s a roid raging buffoon who has gotten fired from more places than anyone in the public ear should be. Huge piece of crap human too.

Such a shame DGunn is associated with that clown show. He actually has pretty good sources still. 

After round 1 ends and no QB is selected, which is 100% going to happen, what will this place talk about? 🤣🤣

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

After round 1 ends and no QB is selected, which is 100% going to happen, what will this place talk about? 🤣🤣

No way no QBs get taken in the 1st

3 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

After round 1 ends and no QB is selected, which is 100% going to happen, what will this place talk about? 🤣🤣

You would have to tell me the last time that happened 😂 

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jakof Media had to get Lord Brunson because EDP was too busy with a minor to give his Jalen Hurts take

Jakib media having clowns like philly 500 and lord brunson on their show is beyond laughable.

19 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

There’s a few people in life I have 0% respect for and Steroid Silz is up there. He’s a roid raging buffoon who has gotten fired from more places than anyone in the public ear should be. Huge piece of crap human too.

He acts like he’s some alpha male extraordinaire but deep down he’s the biggest beta cuck.

Nothing better than a guy who refers to himself as ''big silz.'' 🤣

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

You have the worst mocks in the blog and that includes the joke mocks with nothing but WRs or QBs.  You’re funny though. I’ll give you that. 

Some of you probably just don't know these players. 

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

Albert Breer's first 12 picks based on what he's hearing

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/15/game-plan-mock-first-12-picks-league-rumors

So under that scenario the following players are still on the board at 13.

Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, George Karlaftis, Trent McDuffie, Jordan Davis, Devonte Wyatt.

Houston could take just about anyone. I don't see Baltimore passing on Jordan Davis. Assuming Houston doesn't take Wilson that would be an easy pick for me. Question marks on everyone else.

McDuffie scares me being a pac12 corner and being 5'11 with short arms. However the kid was damn good in college and is a great fit in our defense.

I'm back on forth on Karlaftis. As a PSU fan I've watched him dominated games at the college level but I wonder if his lack of top athleticism will be an issue at the next level.

Wyatt looks damn good but the fact that he's 24 bugs the hell out of me.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So under that scenario the following players are still on the board at 13.

Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, George Karlaftis, Trent McDuffie, Jordan Davis, Devonte Wyatt.

Houston could take just about anyone. I don't see Baltimore passing on Jordan Davis. Assuming Houston doesn't take Wilson that would be an easy pick for me. Question marks on everyone else.

McDuffie scares me being a pac12 corner and being 5'11 with short arms. However the kid was damn good in college and is a great fit in our defense.

I'm back on forth on Karlaftis. As a PSU fan I've watched him dominated games at the college level but I wonder if his lack of top athleticism will be an issue at the next level.

Wyatt looks damn good but the fact that he's 24 bugs the hell out of me.

None of those guys excite me. If we had a chance I’d just assume trade back a few spots. But I’m hoping they draft a QB so I’ll have a reason to watch games this year. 😂

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

 

I agree with his analysis, and the Eagles will not have to move up for Corral or Pickett if they choose to take a QB in the 1st.

Carolina is the only team likely to take a QB, Atlanta needs to keep losing and get in next years top 5.  Detroit year to year is usually guaranteed a top 5-8 spot, so they should keep building like Atlanta. 

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

He’s not a good blocker at all from what I’ve read. Also heard his routes need work though he is very smooth & fluid. I would take Jameson or Wilson first personally (not that they give a ton in the blocking department, that was a random side note). But then again it’s all up in the air. This draft is going to be wild. No one seems to have a consensus on these players.

 Olave by most if not all scouting reports is the best route runner in the class. Wilson is believed to have a higher ceiling and Jameson is considered the best WR in the draft.  
 If Hurts is the QB going forward or they plan on trading for, or drafting, an under 6’2” QB, Burks would be my favorite pick followed by Pickens.  
 I think fans would be surprised how much R. Wilson misses or plays Seattle didn’t even have in their playbook because he couldn't see over the lines.  

 

 

 

 

 

43 minutes ago, blindside said:

I hear ya on the stats. But as we all know, stats don’t tell the whole story. It pointless to try to talk you out of your position, and I’m sure you’re right about whatever stats. I just know what I see. I don’t know how the stats compile or whatever. But I know he won’t throw a slant because he doesn’t trust his reads. He won’t go through progressions. He doesn’t have the zip to throw deep outs unless he’s rolled right to be closer to the target and it usually involves a tip toe catch because it’s thrown late. (How many times did we see Smith diving and making tip-toe catches that most WRs dont make?) His deep ball is inaccurate. He runs out of clean pockets. And the Bucs coach said "he can’t read”. These are all facts, just as much as your stats you provided. These things are easy to see. There’s 16 games of "film”, but you could see it from the TV broadcast. 
 

so, we both have facts. You’re way more optimistic. I wish I was. But you and I have both been watching football for a long time and we both know in our hearts what is sustainable in the NFL and what’s gonna wash out once people take the Buccaneers approach and take away the run game and easy throws. Load up the box and make him be with his arm which he couldn’t even do in college. He got benched for a quarterback who isn’t very good. Also facts

I think you have the problem of a lot of people here, you look at the star QBs and ask why Hurts isn't as good, and subconsciously think it won't be that hard to upgrade.

I look at the population of starting QBs, and note how many are worse than Hurts, which is close to half, and more than half if you look at a 2-3 year period (i.e., bad QBs tend to be replaced by other bad QBs). So I'm a lot more pessimistic about the odds of upgrading Hurts, because most 1st rd QBs over the last decade have played worse than Hurts last season.

The top QBs play a decade or more, so it's easy to think, top ten is 1/3, so the odds aren't that great, 20 misses for 10 or so hits - but the bottom half churns on a regular basis, so it's more like 40-50 QBs fail for every 10 that succeed. If Hurts is 15-20th in the NFL at 23 years old, are the odds better that he can incrementally improve or that you'll draft a QB in the top 15 picks that may become a top ten QB in 2-3 years?

Given that this year's QB crop has more question marks than last year or a number of other seasons, and of the 5 1st rd QB last year, only Jones played as well as Hurts, what are the odds than any QB taken this year will be as good as Hurts in 2022? Or even 2023? Slim. Note that a couple of these QBs are OLDER than Hurts.

2 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Albert Breer's first 12 picks based on what he's hearing

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/15/game-plan-mock-first-12-picks-league-rumors

I'm trading up for Wilson if this pans out.