maybe he will still ring the bell

 

2 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Fans just hate the starting QB of the Eagles and always prefer the backup, until he becomes the starter and then they hate him too.

💯%

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just throwing it back at you.  You Fing hypocrite.   I watched a WW2 movie.  I know all about Germany now.  

I‘ve seen pets with a more nuanced opinion than you. 😁

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What happened?

Easter injury. Crowded house yesterday he tripped trying to get past someone and went eye first in to the edge of a table. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

My youngest son begs your pardon. 

I believe in the occasional spank, but you didn’t have to go full Tyreek Hill on him 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

My youngest son begs your pardon. 

I don't think it is really fair that HE won't let his son have an EMB account, and is posting pictures like he won this fight.

On behalf of HE junior, here is HE after the altercation.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What ??  He is not playing with his new bestest buddy Jalen Hurts ??  They must not allow SWAG in Golf.

 

 

Well, Hurts has this annoying habit of running around in a circle before attempting a put.

• 
  15.
  Jermaine Johnson

  EDGE Florida State
   
• 
  23.
  Andrew Booth Jr.

  CB Clemson
  
• 
  51.
  Travis Jones

  DT Connecticut
   
• 
  83.
  Nick Cross

  S Maryland
   
• 
  101.
  Greg Dulcich

  TE UCLA
   
• 
  124.
  Channing Tindall

  LB Georgia
   
• 
  154.
  Cade Mays

  OG Tennessee
   
• 
  162.
  Mykael Wright

  CB Oregon
   
• 
  166.
  Micheal Clemons

  EDGE Texas A&M
   
• 
  237.
  Bo Melton

  WR Rutgers
   
• 2023 ARI 2nd

3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Thata a very generalized answer that doesn't give specifics on their play that would make the comparison make sense. 

They aren't comparable as passers at all.  Tebow had a very bad long winding throwing motion and he only completed 46.5% of his passes.  From his rookie year to his second year he actually got worse as a passer. If Hurts came out last year and actually took a step back as a passer and not a step forward then you might have something but since that isn't at all what occurred the comparison makes little to no sense. 

Hurts progressed from a horrible passer to a very bad passer.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts progressed from a horrible passer to a very bad passer.  

So below average passer is on deck for his 3rd rookie season ???

26 minutes ago, Infam said:

Grow a pair? 😄

F—ing fascists did terrible things but I don‘t feel responsible myself. Still if history teaches me anything it‘s to speak up against racism anywhere.

Doesn‘t mean I think Europe is better in general though. 
 

And thank god the great generation defeated my grandfathers. Allows me to live a life in freedom and prosperity.

Lol yeah Americans need to grow a pair.  How long before we need to save the continent from you guys again?  

Ill take a phrase from my grandparents and say "sta zitta" about American racism, you don't know what youre talking about unless you live here or travel around the states.  This isnt a tv show.  We dont speak on contemporary German issues because most of us dont know anything beyond headlines.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I was on board on the concept of acquiring Russ; you and I disagreed on that.  I figure Russ still has 4 good years left, but would never have traded two 1sts, two 2nds and 3 roster players like DEN did.  Wilson wasn't interested in coming to Philly but I'm glad Howie essentially got "outbid" by another organization that overpaid.

Anyone unfortunate enough to study my posting history knows the two players I despise more than any others in the NFL are Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.  Last I checked, both of those guys are white.  It would test my fandom if the Eagles ended up with either player as starting QB; that's my level of distaste for both people.  I do know, however, that both of those guys are a massive upgrade over our current starting QB -- even at their advanced ages.

It's a sad commentary on the low intellect of people who would default to skin color to explain what they don't wish to understand or acknowledge.

I mean I think race and bias related to race is a fair question in thinking about how we judge people and players.  I think when used as an ad hominem method of argument it's not anything other than trolling.  If someone calls me racist because of something I say about a player, I don't care. I have been called it before and worse things. 

53 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  Tell me, how of all posters, I am the one who lacks a "rudimentary sense of humor”.  Please wax on George Carlin.  

Infam is one who has been projecting his own racists guilt by claiming to know other posters on a message board.  So please go on.  

The fact that you assume it's all about you says it all. Know a Diva by the way she throws her boa.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

So below average passer is on deck for his 3rd rookie season ???

That's the trajectory and that's exactly where he'll be...that's also where he'll level off.  The question is if the FO is masochistic enough to sign up for a 4th year to see if Hurts can go from horrible, to very bad, to below average, to average.

If that's not a commitment to mediocrity, then I don't know what is.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts progressed from a horrible passer to a very bad passer.  

 

I wouldn't call him a very bad passer.  He's a developing passer.  Following an earily same trajectory as McNabb and Josh Allen when you look at the improvement form year to year.  Big reason I expect a substantial step forward in year 3.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

• 
  15.
  Jermaine Johnson

  EDGE Florida State
   
• 
  23.
  Andrew Booth Jr.

  CB Clemson
  
• 
  51.
  Travis Jones

  DT Connecticut
   
• 
  83.
  Nick Cross

  S Maryland
   
• 
  101.
  Greg Dulcich

  TE UCLA
   
• 
  124.
  Channing Tindall

  LB Georgia
   
• 
  154.
  Cade Mays

  OG Tennessee
   
• 
  162.
  Mykael Wright

  CB Oregon
   
• 
  166.
  Micheal Clemons

  EDGE Texas A&M
   
• 
  237.
  Bo Melton

  WR Rutgers
   
• 2023 ARI 2nd

Nicely done 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean I think race and bias related to race is a fair question in thinking about how we judge people and players.

I think it is laughable at best.  We want the Eagles to win, and want the players who give them the best chance.

We were all quick to run Considine, Matt McCoy, Nate Gerry and many others out of town.  

Fact is Hurts is not good, and it has nothing to do with his race, it has to do with his right arm and what's between his ears.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I wouldn't call him a very bad passer.  He's a developing passer.  Following an earily same trajectory as McNabb and Josh Allen when you look at the improvement form year to year.  Big reason I expect a substantial step forward in year 3.

You have to be kidding or trolling or something. You can’t honestly believe that Jalen Hurts is the same level passer as a young McNabb or Josh Allen. I can’t even do this. I want to point out the glaringly obvious differences, but it just seems like a waste of time. You’re just gonna keep being weirdly obsessed with a really nice guy who is not a starting NFL QB. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I wouldn't call him a very bad passer.  He's a developing passer.  Following an earily same trajectory as McNabb and Josh Allen when you look at the improvement form year to year.  Big reason I expect a substantial step forward in year 3.

So basically on the same trajectory as passers that sucked through 2 years.  The assumption here is the 3rd year jump.  It's noteworthy that he's not on the same trajectory as any passers who only sucked for 1 year.

Mcnabb didn't suck through 2 years so much as he played in a different NFL...a running QB with non-prolific passing stats made him a pretty high end qb back then.  Josh Allen sucked through 2 years.

So basically, the only thing that Hurts has in common with any of these guys is their worst failures.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I mean I think race and bias related to race is a fair question in thinking about how we judge people and players.  I think when used as an ad hominem method of argument it's not anything other than trolling.  If someone calls me racist because of something I say about a player, I don't care. I have been called it before and worse things. 

I've said quite a few times before that I do have a bias on QBs.  I believe in a QB who distributes the football and uses the entire field to force defenses into bad matchups.  The QB should not be the playmaker in the offense IMO; he should distribute the football to the playmakers -- a conductor, rather than a musician.  The QB should possess sufficient mobility to extend plays and keep options open when the scripted play breaks down, or faces an unexpected look.  Taking off with the ball, however, should only be done as a last resort or move the chains on 3rd/4th down.

NFL offenses opened up when the passing game became prevalent.  When the RB takes a handoff he has 11 players to beat.  When a WR or TE catches a pass downfield they only have 2-3 players to beat.  No matter how good a QB is at running with the football, he still has the entire defense to beat (with the exception of the DL who rushes too far upfield). 

Dual threat QBs don't interest me.  That playing style doesn't win late-season and playoff games nearly as often as a QB who excels at pre-snap reads and recognition.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol yeah Americans need to grow a pair.  How long before we need to save the continent from you guys again?  

Ill take a phrase from my grandparents and say "sta zitta" about American racism, you don't know what youre talking about unless you live here or travel around the states.  This isnt a tv show.  We dont speak on contemporary German issues because most of us dont know anything beyond headlines.

Grow a pair was aimed towards your ‚sensitivities‘. I feel very much able to talk about whatever I like and that includes contemporary issues. And if that deeply offends you that says more about you than it does about me.

Feel free to educate yourself on german issues and critic away! Matter of fact chances are I might agree with you. You sure won’t hurt my feelings even if I don’t agree, that’s how a real debate works.

This whole ‚you are German you aren‘t allowed to comment on that‘ just makes you look weak. 

14 minutes ago, blindside said:

You have to be kidding or trolling or something. You can’t honestly believe that Jalen Hurts is the same level passer as a young McNabb or Josh Allen. I can’t even do this. I want to point out the glaringly obvious differences, but it just seems like a waste of time. You’re just gonna keep being weirdly obsessed with a really nice guy who is not a starting NFL QB. 

Yeah, I highly doubt Hurts is going to make the jump to 37 passing TD's and 45 total TD's this year.

5 minutes ago, blindside said:

You have to be kidding or trolling or something. You can’t honestly believe that Jalen Hurts is the same level passer as a young McNabb or Josh Allen. I can’t even do this. I want to point out the glaringly obvious differences, but it just seems like a waste of time. You’re just gonna keep being weirdly obsessed with a really nice guy who is not a starting NFL QB. 

 

McNabb Year 1: 49.1%, 948 yards, 8 TDs, 7 INT, 60.1 QB rating, 313 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs. 

McNabb Year 2: 58.0%, 3,365 yards, 21 TDs, 13 INT, 77.8 QB rating, 629 rushing yards & 6 rushing TDs. 

 

Allen Year 1: 52.8%, 2,074 yards, 10 TD, 12 INT, 64.9 QB rating, 631 yards rushing & 8 rushing TDs. 

Allen Year 2: 58.8%, 3,089 yards, 20 TDs, 9 INT, 85.3 QB rating, 510 yards rushing & 9 rushing TDs. 

 

Hurts Year 1; 52.0%, 1,061 yards, 6 TDs, 4 INT, 77.6 QB rating, 354 yards rushing & 3 rushing TDs. 

Hurts Year 2: 61.3%, 3,144 yards, 16 TDs, 9 INT, 87.2 QB rating, 784 yards rushing & 10 rushing TDs. 

 

 

Please point out the glaringly obvious differences. 

Josh Allen's big statistical leap in year 3 of his career is going to be used as an excuse for poorly developing young QBs for the next decade. 

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So basically on the same trajectory as passers that sucked through 2 years.  The assumption here is the 3rd year jump.  It's noteworthy that he's not on the same trajectory as any passers who only sucked for 1 year.

Mcnabb didn't suck through 2 years so much as he played in a different NFL...a running QB with non-prolific passing stats made him a pretty high end qb back then.  Josh Allen sucked through 2 years.

So basically, the only thing that Hurts has in common with any of these guys is their worst failures.

 

Same trajectory as two passers who struggled as rookies but took noticeable steps forward in their second year. What we will see this season is if Hurts continues to take another step forward like they did or if he just has another year like he did last year or takes a step back.  If he does then he likely is who he is and he has hit his ceiling.  I don't see that as the case for him though because there are areas of his game he can easily improve at and he has the work ethic and character to improve where it is realistically possible for him to improve. 

 

We will all see this season one way or the other but I believe he has not hit his ceiling and will continue to improve this year.