PFN 

 

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  15.
  Derek Stingley Jr. - CB LSU
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  39.
  Travis Jones -  DT Connecticut
  
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  48.
  Boye Mafe -  EDGE Minnesota
  
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  51.
  George Pickens -  WR Georgia
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  71.
  Troy Andersen -  LB Montana State
  
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  101.
  Matt Waletzko -  OT North Dakota
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  124.
  Zyon McCollum -  CB Sam Houston State
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  154.
  Kyle Philips  -WR UCLA
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  162.
  Chris Paul  - OT Tulsa
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  166.
  Zamir White - RB Georgia
• 237.
  Thomas Booker - DT Stanford

London and JJAW are nothing alike. London is a way better athlete with way better ball skills.

 

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

London and JJAW are nothing alike. London is a way better athlete with way better ball skills.

Some team getting a stud in London , numero uno for me 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

The concerning thing is the rawness in the games of Mafe and Ebiketie at their age. You take a guy that old you think hes safe because hes pretty well developed. Those guys arent.

I also read today that Wyatt is off a bunch of teams boards. 

Lloyd and Johnson look like the only good 1st round picks there despite age. The other guys probably shouldnt be 1st rounders.

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem with these mock draft engines is some of you are going to have ridiculous expectations going into the draft.

"What's wrong with Howie, I was able to trade down for a 2023 1st AND get all the players I wanted!"

In the real world, you can talk all you want before the draft, but after the first 10 picks, everything falls apart and you have fifteen minute the first day to re-evaluate and negotiate, and five minutes after that - and you're juggling three different offers as the clock ticks down.

It's a wonder anyone makes a trade under those circumstances, which may explain why Howie made his major trades before the draft, then adjusted on the fly the day of the draft last year, and again this year. The simplest trade is a package to move up or to accept to move down, that is, you have your draft chart and a sense of how far down/up you're willing to go.

10 minutes, then 7 minutes, THEN, 5 minutes after that. 

I know the competition is fierce, but I have found the worst Eagles take of all-time.

 

If you're 23, 1st rd 2nd contract starts at 28, after 1st rd, 27. So if it's a 3-4 year deal, it only runs through age 29-31.

So I don't see where that's a big deal.

Less upside since the player is closer to being physically mature, but less risk b/c you're not projecting a 21 year to 25 years old (see Freddie Mitchell who got stronger but slower as he aged).

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

The concerning thing is the rawness in the games of Mafe and Ebiketie at their age. You take a guy that old you think hes safe because hes pretty well developed. Those guys arent.

I also read today that Wyatt is off a bunch of teams boards. 

Lloyd and Johnson look like the only good 1st round picks there.

I'm not disagreeing with you here but Covid has had a major impact on the number of "older" players coming out. It also has made this a particularly rich draft, IMHO. Probably 25-30% more players coming out. Just no good QBs.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The concerning thing is the rawness in the games of Mafe and Ebiketie at their age. You take a guy that old you think hes safe because hes pretty well developed. Those guys arent.

I also read today that Wyatt is off a bunch of teams boards. 

Lloyd and Johnson look like the only good 1st round picks there despite age. The other guys probably shouldnt be 1st rounders.

Yep , lots of older players this year  ,age matters plenty for me 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Yep , lots of older players this year  ,age matters plenty for me 

I mean, seriously, are you on your phone, don't care, or do you only have a 4th grade education ??

Just now, justrelax said:

I'm not disagreeing with you here but Covid has had a major impact on the number of "older" players coming out. It also has made this a particularly rich draft, IMHO. Probably 25-30% more players coming out. Just no good QBs.

Yeah. There is more depth. 

But that doesnt necessarily mean the older players suddenly shouldnt be docked. 

Specifically those so called 1st rounders in that post.... not only are they older prospects. They are older raw prospects. Thats a really bad mix. And old prospect should be well developed with a high floor. Those guys on that list dont necessarily have high floors. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is all you need to know

1st round grade on the hair - UDFA on the chin. 

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem with these mock draft engines is some of you are going to have ridiculous expectations going into the draft.

"What's wrong with Howie, I was able to trade down for a 2023 1st AND get all the players I wanted!"

In the real world, you can talk all you want before the draft, but after the first 10 picks, everything falls apart and you have fifteen minute the first day to re-evaluate and negotiate, and five minutes after that - and you're juggling three different offers as the clock ticks down.

It's a wonder anyone makes a trade under those circumstances, which may explain why Howie made his major trades before the draft, then adjusted on the fly the day of the draft last year, and again this year. The simplest trade is a package to move up or to accept to move down, that is, you have your draft chart and a sense of how far down/up you're willing to go.

As long as the draft board is complete none of this is really a problem. If you're scrambling because players didn't go where you thought they would then you already failed going into the draft.

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem with these mock draft engines is some of you are going to have ridiculous expectations going into the draft.

"What's wrong with Howie, I was able to trade down for a 2023 1st AND get all the players I wanted!"

In the real world, you can talk all you want before the draft, but after the first 10 picks, everything falls apart and you have fifteen minute the first day to re-evaluate and negotiate, and five minutes after that - and you're juggling three different offers as the clock ticks down.

It's a wonder anyone makes a trade under those circumstances, which may explain why Howie made his major trades before the draft, then adjusted on the fly the day of the draft last year, and again this year. The simplest trade is a package to move up or to accept to move down, that is, you have your draft chart and a sense of how far down/up you're willing to go.

10 minutes in Round 1 and 7 minutes in Round 2.  5 minutes for all the other rounds.

 

BTW... if things are completely out the window after 10 picks, then shame on the front office.  That means that they didn't do enough prep and scenario playing themselves.  They should be doing lots of mocks for themselves and scenario building to be prepared for all contingencies...  When picking at 15, you need at least 15 players that you are willing to take there... so you had better figure out who they are.  Picking at 18... you better have 19 names identified.  Then you regroup for Day 2 and Rounds 2 & 3.  Again though, you should have played out a significant number of scenarios and have a group of players that you are willing to grab there as well.  This is about preparation.  The teams that get caught are the ones that didn't do enough prep work in advance.

 

 

14 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

10 minutes, then 7 minutes, THEN, 5 minutes after that. 

Facts aren't as important as narratives.

39 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem with these mock draft engines is some of you are going to have ridiculous expectations going into the draft.

"What's wrong with Howie, I was able to trade down for a 2023 1st AND get all the players I wanted!"

In the real world, you can talk all you want before the draft, but after the first 10 picks, everything falls apart and you have fifteen minute the first day to re-evaluate and negotiate, and five minutes after that - and you're juggling three different offers as the clock ticks down.

It's a wonder anyone makes a trade under those circumstances, which may explain why Howie made his major trades before the draft, then adjusted on the fly the day of the draft last year, and again this year. The simplest trade is a package to move up or to accept to move down, that is, you have your draft chart and a sense of how far down/up you're willing to go.

 

Didn't you say any good team should have 150 players on their board ??  

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

10 minutes in Round 1 and 7 minutes in Round 2.  5 minutes for all the other rounds.

BTW... if things are completely out the window after 10 picks, then shame on the front office.  That means that they didn't do enough prep and scenario playing themselves.  They should be doing lots of mocks for themselves and scenario building to be prepared for all contingencies...  When picking at 15, you need at least 15 players that you are willing to take there... so you had better figure out who they are.  Picking at 18... you better have 19 names identified.  Then you regroup for Day 2 and Rounds 2 & 3.  Again though, you should have played out a significant number of scenarios and have a group of players that you are willing to grab there as well.  This is about preparation.  The teams that get caught are the ones that didn't do enough prep work in advance.

 

Agreed.  As I stated above, he already said a team should have 150 players on their board.  If you are scrambling at 15, your front office sucks and should be replaced.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

1st round grade on the hair - UDFA on the chin. 

what chin?

5 minutes ago, bitbased said:

As long as the draft board is complete none of this is really a problem. If you're scrambling because players didn't go where you thought they would then you already failed going into the draft.

Yup.

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

If you're 23, 1st rd 2nd contract starts at 28, after 1st rd, 27. So if it's a 3-4 year deal, it only runs through age 29-31.

So I don't see where that's a big deal.

Less upside since the player is closer to being physically mature, but less risk b/c you're not projecting a 21 year to 25 years old (see Freddie Mitchell who got stronger but slower as he aged).

Nah old people are way less valuable

25 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

London and JJAW are nothing alike. London is a way better athlete with way better ball skills.

My cat has better ball skills than JJAW

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Didn't you say any good team should have 150 players on their board ??  

 

 

Agreed.  As I stated above, he already said a team should have 150 players on their board.  If you are scrambling at 15, your front office sucks and should be replaced.

The trouble is they need to have 150 good players on the board.  Donnell Pumphrey should have been taken off the board when they went to see him... he didn't have an NFL body, nor room on his frame to get an NFL body.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yet there were about 50 regulars in here beating their Ds when we got him, saying he was the next Darren Sproles....

 

 

 

There's a good reason Sproles went in Round 4 back in his draft.  Guys that small are long shots, and Sproles was stoutly built, not frail.  5'6" but nearly 200 lbs.  Meanwhile, Pumphrey was a good 2 inches taller, but nearly 20 lbs lighter.  Just frail, slow and didn't have the moves.

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I mean, seriously, are you on your phone, don't care, or do you only have a 4th grade education ??

Takes a while to type when you have to hit the number multiple times. Lots of S's? Forget about it. And the space key? F off.

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Takes a while to type when you have to hit the number multiple times. Lots of S's? Forget about it. And the space key? F off.

Does not seem he is having any issues with the space key