Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It is kind of ridiculous though.  We do NOT want to get caught up in this WR spending spree.  Not with the gun slinger Jalen Tebow.  

I'm with you, I don't necessarily want to bring in another WR. But news came out yesterday that Deebo is looking for a trade, and he's one of the top 5 playmakers in the league, arguably. It's reasonable to expect it to be discussed in here, though obviously he isn't coming here. 

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I see were having another MOAAAARRRRRR WIDE RECEIVER talk today 

is that bothering you ? 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It is kind of ridiculous though.  We do NOT want to get caught up in this WR spending spree.  Not with the gun slinger Jalen Tebow.  

agreed, drafting a wr is one thing, spending draft capital and using a ton of cap space is another. 

 

 

pass. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And I would say he's not getting traded either.  It's the way this little bishes work nowadays.  Scrub their social media accounts of their team info, after one big season.  Just as a money grab.  It's not going to be just WR.  But they are the divas of the league so they will do this BS first.  If we are going to latch onto every WR who pulls this crap, then we'll be talking WR all offseason every offseason.  Even if we have two pro bowlers.  It's tired.   

 

To spend that draft capital and money on a WR.....would be insanely dumb.  But you know that.  

Now that's crazy talk. 

9 hours ago, downundermike said:

Dude is the f’ing man.  If we had a QB would give up a ton to get him.

You see his body holding up to make the deal worth it though? I personally don't...I think he's got maybe 1 more year of health.

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If teams can turn into competitors quickly, then why are we supposed to wait years upon years as we watch Hurts suck for him to develop?

Who said you have to wait years upon years for Hurts to develop? I think he takes a fairly keep forward this year.  It's the building of the defense that we will likely have to wait for before we can really contend. 

The level of irony in here never fails to make me laugh.

8 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You see his body holding up to make the deal worth it though? I personally don't...I think he's got maybe 1 more year of health.

Exactly.  Everyone loved CMC too …. until he broke from overuse

I see either GB or KC moving up to grab Williams or Wilson and that 15 spot could be the move for them to make. Chargers could move back too.

If the opportunity presented itself...would you trade down twice? Let's say GB offers a package including their first this year for pick 15, and then KC offers a package including one of their firsts this year for 18. Obviously there would be more to each trade than just the lower firsts....but would you do both? 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If the opportunity presented itself...would you trade down twice? Let's say GB offers a package including their first this year for pick 15, and then KC offers a package including one of their firsts this year for 18. Obviously there would be more to each trade than just the lower firsts....but would you do both? 

Yes

42 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You see his body holding up to make the deal worth it though? I personally don't...I think he's got maybe 1 more year of health.

His body is going to wear down much like a RB's body does.  I hope he gets paid, because he's done great things for his team.  But, I don't want this team to pay him.  Just a bad investment.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If the opportunity presented itself...would you trade down twice? Let's say GB offers a package including their first this year for pick 15, and then KC offers a package including one of their firsts this year for 18. Obviously there would be more to each trade than just the lower firsts....but would you do both? 

Trading down is the best decision 90%+ of the time, so yes. 

I'm bullish on getting KC's 1st next year. There's a legitimate chance they miss the playoffs in that division.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Def.  Give me a 1st in 2023 and a 2nd in 2022.  Deal.  

Yeah GB is the deal to make if they give up that 2023 1st and 53 and 59 this year

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Trading down is the best decision 90%+ of the time, so yes. 

I'm bullish on getting KC's 1st next year. There's a legitimate chance they miss the playoffs in that division.

Stop it.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  15-32 in this first round is underwhelming.  I'd rather get as many picks in the 30-100 range.  If that means we trade down and also back up, so be it.  I want us to be on the clock every half hour on Friday night.  

What if Hamilton is there at 15? 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If the opportunity presented itself...would you trade down twice? Let's say GB offers a package including their first this year for pick 15, and then KC offers a package including one of their firsts this year for 18. Obviously there would be more to each trade than just the lower firsts....but would you do both? 

Depends how good I think Weidl and his scouting department is at their job.  What's the dropoff in talent between 15/18 to 28/30/32 range?

The defense is starved for really good players.  Not pretty good players.  Do I want two really good players, or do I want two pretty good players and a couple of other okay players?  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Depends how good I think Weidl and his scouting department is at their job.  What's the dropoff in talent between 15/18 to 28/30/32 range?

The defense is starved for really good players.  Not pretty good players.  Do I want two really good players, or do I want two pretty good players and a couple of other okay players?  

Right, that's the crux of it all....depending who's on the board could certainly influence things. But is the drop-off from let's say Hamilton at 15 to Brisker/Hill/Cine at 28-30 that big? Plus the additional picks we'd get along the way? 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Right, that's the crux of it all....depending who's on the board could certainly influence things. But is the drop-off from let's say Hamilton at 15 to Brisker/Hill/Cine at 28-30 that big? Plus the additional picks we'd get along the way? 

In that example?  Yes, it's very big.  Hamilton has the potential to be in the top 1-2 safeties in the NFL; the other guys will likely be pretty good.  No way I'd trade back even one spot if Hamilton were on the board. 

As a general rule, though -- Weidl will have to tell me who I'm looking at with picks in the 28-32 range.  I'm sure the Eagles will run these mocks to death before draft night.  If they are really high on a couple of prospects in that range, then a trade back becomes much easier.

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Depends how good I think Weidl and his scouting department is at their job.  What's the dropoff in talent between 15/18 to 28/30/32 range?

The defense is starved for really good players.  Not pretty good players.  Do I want two really good players, or do I want two pretty good players and a couple of other okay players?  

Honestly if you were to trade back and collect more 2nd rounders for this year and another 1st for next year....and come away from this draft with Lloyd at 18, Booth Jr/Elam/McCreary in the 2nd, Pickens in the 2nd, and Hill/Drake Jackson in the 2nd, then I think thats about the best possible outcome. All those guys are day 1 starters and you have 3 1st round picks for the QB youre going to draft next year.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I know it's a hard concept to understand, (not just you) but the Chiefs are better now, than they were with T. Hill.

Getting all those draft picks, having all that cap space. 

Look at it this way, would you trade... Tyreek Hill for Juju Smith, Valdez-Scantling, a 1st, a 2nd and a 4th. That's basically 4 starters THIS YEAR and a ton of money saved. 

 

I know it's a hard concept to understand, but neither Juku or Valdez-Scantling come close to Tyreek and while those draft picks could improve the Chiefs down the line it is highly unlikely that they make an immediate impact at rookies to make up for the loss of Hill. 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Depends how good I think Weidl and his scouting department is at their job.  What's the dropoff in talent between 15/18 to 28/30/32 range?

The defense is starved for really good players.  Not pretty good players.  Do I want two really good players, or do I want two pretty good players and a couple of other okay players?  

Trouble is... it seems that the guy they select at 15 would likely be the same guy they select at 28.  We've seen this time and again.  Marcus Smith?  He was the guy they would have taken had they not traded down the first time that year, and likely would have been there if they had traded down to the top of the 2nd round after that.  

Jalen Reagor?  They trade down 5 spots, they are still taking Reagor, but have extra picks.  And even if they didn't get him, they'd likely still have been better off with Aiyuk, Higgins or Pittmann, even though none of them are true 'speed' players (Aiyuk being the closest).

 

My issue is that I don't trust this front office to make the right selections in the range they are located this year.  Not even a little bit.  I am afraid they will grab the guy that in their mind is 'the last impact player' at 15, turning down a trade back possibility, and we are left with another Reagor situation.  I don't want them selecting at 15 or 18, honestly, because I don't trust them to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

24 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If the opportunity presented itself...would you trade down twice? Let's say GB offers a package including their first this year for pick 15, and then KC offers a package including one of their firsts this year for 18. Obviously there would be more to each trade than just the lower firsts....but would you do both? 

It would depend on whose on the board but I’d lean no. 

4xDE, DT, 3xOT, 2xCB, FS, 2xWR, ?xQB

So, we either trade up (ouch), hope for 3 QBs to go off the board (wishful thinking), grab a WR as a likely BPA or tradeback. I’d lean towards trading up at 15 and trading back at 18 - fingers crossed.