2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Typically, you'd expect to see some improvement from your young QB over the course of the season, as it relates to passing the ball. Go look at Hurts throw chart for the playoff game. It's nearly identical to his career norms, and even further back a near carbon copy of his college passing chart. It shows, and the Bucs played it perfectly, that he can't and won't use the entire field. Also, I've never seen an opposing d-co-ordinator say mid-game that the QB can't read the defense. It hasn't changed since he was at Alabama, and if you have a QB that can't throw with anticipation, and doesn't use 2/3rds of the field....what the hell do you have? 

14 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

See what I mean @Iggles_Phan - context doesn't matter here. It can be plainly laid out as a reason why something is one way and it always gets twisted back to the original, played-out tropes.

What matters is personal opinions, comfort in commonality, and bias.

Yes, context matters, you are just creating a narrative.  Hurts was holding back the offense that Nick wanted to run, so Nick changed the offense to limit Hurts as a passer so they could win games.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Yes, context matters, you are just creating a narrative.  Hurts was holding back the offense that Nick wanted to run, so Nick changed the offense to limit Hurts as a passer so they could win games.

Am I though? Could it be that you all wholeheartedly believe one thing and refuse to accept that there could be other explanations for what happened? That even when a timeline and context of those timelines are laid out in front of you, it doesn't matter one bit because your belief is stronger than anything else? 

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

Am I though? Could it be that you all wholeheartedly believe one thing and refuse to accept that there could be other explanations for what happened? That even when a timeline and context of those timelines are laid out in front of you, it doesn't matter one bit because your belief is stronger than anything else? 

What is the explanation ?? Why would the coach limit the QB passing, in a passing league, with an owner that wants a passing offense ??

30 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

London break down 

 

Would have liked to have seen some comparable routes by London on the breakdown.

With out the inclusion of those I just have to take his word for it🤷‍♂️

Having said that Im not sure London is as physical as the 4 guys mentioned.

Mike evans is around 230 pounds, Tee Higgins has a massive wing span but height weight wise is a good comp 

Reed of course again is alot heavier and as stated in the clip one questions whether London can run past guys like Mike evans does?

I like London Im just like a lot are wary  of USC WRs.

We shouldn't believe our eyes and the stats because we're so biased.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Spending a first round pick on a WR 2 years in a row, hiring a passing style HC who is a WR specialized coach, just so we can run the ball. But it has nothing to do with the lack of ability by the QB

FYP

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

Am I though? Could it be that you all wholeheartedly believe one thing and refuse to accept that there could be other explanations for what happened? That even when a timeline and context of those timelines are laid out in front of you, it doesn't matter one bit because your belief is stronger than anything else? 

Hurts still exhibits the same weaknesses in his game that were talked about during his time at Bama, OK, and pre-draft. Did he show a little improvement last year over his mini-stretch of play in 2020? Of course. But, that's to be expected. Odds are he's the guy this year, and if they're stuck trying to run their way to the playoffs because he can't throw left, read a defense, go through progressions or have confidence in the great pockets he gets...he's gone. If he shows those things and takes a giant leap forward, I'll be the first to celebrate. Hurts succeeding would ultimately be the best thing for the Eagles. I just have little to no confidence in it happening.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Did he show a little improvement last year over his mini-stretch of play in 2020? Of course.

He improved on a 52% completion percentage.  He got to about the NFL baseline.  

13 minutes ago, Swoop said:

At the time the team was winning despite Hurts and the offense was running a specific way. Why would they completely change the play calling for a game in the middle of a good stretch and a throwaway game at the end of the year? 

It's really not that hard to figure out.

Exactly. They found a winning formula and stuck to it. They figured that out in the Lions game. When they went to a running game, they kept their defense off the field who were giving up a ridiculously high amount of completions to terrible QBs, they lowered the number of penalties they had per game, and found success. If it was only about Hurts then he would have changed the game plan and played Minshew, or at least showed what could have happened when he had a 'real' passer under center.

This was much bigger than just Hurts. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I'd take this 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Would have liked to have seen some comparable routes by London on the breakdown.

With out the inclusion of those I just have to take his word for it🤷‍♂️

Having said that Im not sure London is as physical as the 4 guys mentioned.

Mike evans is around 230 pounds, Tee Higgins has a massive wing span but height weight wise is a good comp 

Reed of course again is alot heavier and as stated in the clip one questions whether London can run past guys like Mike evans does?

I like London Im just like a lot are wary  of USC WRs.

London is very young , he will get stronger and bigger as he matures ,  I have watched every of Evans  games and I see the comp without even thinking about it . The pac12 or usc  stuff doesn’t bother me 

3 hours ago, CouchKing said:

The low salary is helping Howie dig us out of salary cap hell.

I am no capologist.

I don't know how many cap hits remain in our near future.

But I think the cut and resign maneuver with Cox was aimed at unscrewing the cap.

I'm no capologist either but that is my understanding also about Cox. It wasn't so much about this year as subsequent years.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What is the explanation ?? Why would the coach limit the QB passing, in a passing league, with an owner that wants a passing offense ??

1) It limited the defense's time on the field that was ranked second to last in sacks and first overall in completion percentage for opposing QBs.

2) It helped limit the number of penalties that the team was giving up on offense.

3) It played to the strengths of the offense line.

4) Going to a run-heavy game worked, especially against lesser opponents. Even against the Chargers, which they eventually lost to, it keep their offense off the field for large portions of the game.

I really think you guys forget how completely awful the Eagle's defense was last year.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Would have liked to have seen some comparable routes by London on the breakdown.

With out the inclusion of those I just have to take his word for it🤷‍♂️

Having said that Im not sure London is as physical as the 4 guys mentioned.

Mike evans is around 230 pounds, Tee Higgins has a massive wing span but height weight wise is a good comp 

Reed of course again is alot heavier and as stated in the clip one questions whether London can run past guys like Mike evans does?

I like London Im just like a lot are wary  of USC WRs.

Evans was bigger (231 lbs to 219), taller, undoubtedly faster (4.53 to "refuses to run"), Evans averaged 20.2 yards per catch in the SEC coming out; London is 12.3 in the PAC-12

Higgins is similar size to London, still faster because he ran at his Pro Day, 19.8 yards per catch at Clemson.

 

I think both guys were far, far better prospects than London.

1 hour ago, bitbased said:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-seven-round-mock-draft-trades-in-every-round-seahawks-go-qb-in-round-2-falcons-pick-malik-willis/

So this mock has us trading down 18 to the Bears for 39/48 + 2023 3rd. I like the trade but not a fan of the picks. Kind of okay with Booth at 15 if the board falls that way, but the 2nd round picks seem wrong. If we don't go WR in the 1st there's probably zero chance we pass on Pickens @ 39. Brisker and Travis Jones still available @ 48 which I think is the direction we'd go instead with multiple DEs on the board before our next pick @ 51.

If it was up to me I'd go:

15 - Booth

39 - Pickens

48 - Jones

51 - Thomas

Not sure how I feel about passing on Brisker but there's other safeties I like later too.

I'd be shocked if Booth goes top-15. I think there's a better shot that Thibodeaux falls out of the top 10 than Booth going at 15.

Very interesting trade down scenario depending on how the board falls. If I did this move, I'd wanna use the Saints 3rd to move up from 48 or 51. Really great shot at getting 4 good starters.

25 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Yeah, it couldn't be a young coach that was 2-5, was consistently badgered about not running the ball at all, who then started to run the ball and was winning so he double down on it.

There is NO way in the world that is what happened. It is all about Hurts.

So tell me this - why did he run the ball 61 times in 2 games when Minshew was playing?

I'm not surprised that there are people here who will defend Hurts to the point of explaning that the reason the coaching staff decided after week 7, that we should shift from a predominantly throwing offense to a predominantly run first offense had nothing to do with Hurts and or his limited passing ability. I am surprised you think it's because he was listening to the fans/critics and or press about running the ball. 

 

Just know denying Hurts was the issue and the reason why we shifted the offense flies in the face of actual evidence. 

• Hurts does circles and or bails from clean pockets when WR's are running open- (Signs that he has trouble going through his preogressions and or issues with reading defenses post snap adjustments, and knowing what to do with the ball.)
• Hurts is late throwing the ball to Wide open WR's, has major issues with anticipatory throws. 

 

 

Carry on.

 

 

48 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Hurts goes, Minshew starts the year, then Ridder eventually replaces him. I'm a big Ridder fan, think he has great potential. 

Hurts isn't going this year.  I think he's the QB to start the year.  I just don't think they find out enough about Ridder to justify taking him.  Let's say Ridder shows potential. Does he really have more upside that the top 5 prospects in 2023? If the Eagles knew they were moving on from Hurts, I think that drafting Ridder would make sense in that you could give him the year to see how it goes.  I just don't think you would know whether he has the potential to be a good enough starter.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Hurts isn't going this year.  I think he's the QB to start the year.  I just don't think they find out enough about Ridder to justify taking him.  Let's say Ridder shows potential. Does he really have more upside that the top 5 prospects in 2023? If the Eagles knew they were moving on from Hurts, I think that drafting Ridder would make sense in that you could give him the year to see how it goes.  I just don't think you would know whether he has the potential to be a good enough starter.  

I think the only demonstrable interest the Eagles have shown in a QB from this class is Pickett and Corral.  The timing of the trade with the Saints (about a week after the QBs Pro Days were finished) tells me they didn't evaluate either as worth trading up for in this draft.

Having said that, if there is a QB on the board at their spot they might select one of those two.  I think Pickett goes top 6 but Corral might possibly still be there at #15.  If the Eagles were to draft a QB and a team like PIT misses out at #20 -- I could see a scenario where Hurts gets moved.  At this point I think it's pretty long odds, though.

This might be the most wild take of draft season

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

 

In the first 7 games, the only time that Siri remembered to run the ball was in the first game, when Sanders had 15 touches and Gainwell has 9.

Yeah... it was that he forgot.  Not that he was brought in to run a passing offense, then found out his QB couldn't.

 

You know there's been this amazing consistency under Lurie with hiring HCs that 'forget' to run the ball.  It's almost like the organizational plan is to be a passing offense... almost at all costs.

6 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

1) It limited the defense's time on the field that was ranked second to last in sacks and first overall in completion percentage for opposing QBs.

Eagles still finished bottom 1/3 in the league in TOP.  You can also keep the defense off the field by converting 3rd downs and sustaining drives passing.  Green Bay was #1 in TOP, they were 18th in rushing attempts.

2) It helped limit the number of penalties that the team was giving up on offense.

Wouldn't the offense being on the field increase the opportunities for penalties ??

3) It played to the strengths of the offense line.

The line is also very good at pass blocking, but the QB kept bailing clean pockets.

4) Going to a run-heavy game worked, especially against lesser opponents. Even against the Chargers, which they eventually lost to, it keep their offense off the field for large portions of the game.

Yes, another indictment of Hurts.  We even had to stay run heavy against the bottom 5 of the NFL.

I really think you guys forget how completely awful the Eagle's defense was last year.

Eagles defense ranked 7th in the NFL in yards per play.  Eagles defense ranked 10th in yards per game. Eagles defense ranked 19th in points allowed.  Problem is, the offense did not sustain enough drives to keep them off the field.

 

Paulson is comping players strengths and similarities , not who was a better college player  , and the comp for Evans it spot on .

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Pickett goes top 6

Panthers might not have that luxury, as they do not have another pick in the draft until the 4th round #137.  They have needs, and have Darnold.  I think if they take a QB, they will make a trade down first.