4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Guess who this is 

 

 

ok. thought he played guard. And when is the last time the eagles took a Center in round 1?

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

We literally have a first round OL on the roster who has started 8 games in 3 years

 

they thought they had a vacancy. Mailata beat him out in camp. 

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There wasn’t a vacancy when they drafted Dickerson. It wasn’t round 1, but it was a premium pick. Dillard was drafted in round 1 without an immediate opening.

But all of this is beside the point. I don’t think we’re taking a first-round OL, but I don’t think we are necessarily solid there moving forward. Seumalo is a wildcard, and Driscoll is always hurt. We might need both a C and RG in 2023. 

It wasnt round 1. Period.

There was absolutely an immediate opening for Dillard. Then he disappointed and was injured. They brought back Peters, and then Mailata beat him out. 

Theyre not going C in round 1, and they dont need an OG there either. Its not how they do things. And the rationale given was to replace Brooks. Who we didnt have pretty much at all last year and was already effectively replaced. Its a bad pick with stupid rationale that only a non-eagle fan would buy. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

ok. thought he played guard. And when is the last time the eagles took a Center in round 1?

Yes, Dickerson played guard, but he was a 1st team All American Center as a senior at Alabama.  I have never doubted the plan was for him to be Kelce's replacement, and his versatility allowed him to play guard as a rookie.  If they like a guard this year, he can pay RG as a rookie, and then move to LG when Dickerson moves to center next year.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

thats unclear if he means that his opinion is meaningless on that. Or if he means that the eagles dont consider it a reach.

I have been saying it longer than probably anyone on the board. Interior OL is a bigger need than people want to admit/realize. Would not surprise me at all if it's addressed early.

Just now, downundermike said:

Yes, Dickerson played guard, but he was a 1st team All American Center as a senior at Alabama.  I have never doubted the plan was for him to be Kelce's replacement, and his versatility allowed him to play guard as a rookie.  If they like a guard this year, he can pay RG as a rookie, and then move to LG when Dickerson moves to center next year.

It would make a ton of sense, after round 1. Not in round 1. Thats not how they operate. We know that.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

It wasnt round 1. Period.

There was absolutely an immediate opening for Dillard. Then he disappointed and was injured. They brought back Peters, and then Mailata beat him out. 

Theyre not going C in round 1, and they dont need an OG there either. Its not how they do things. And the rationale given was to replace Brooks. Who we didnt have pretty much at all last year and was already effectively replaced. Its a bad pick with stupid rationale that only a non-eagle fan would buy. 

They already had Peters when they drafted Dillard. There was no immediate opening. 

You’re confusing his rookie year with 2020. 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There wasn’t a vacancy when they drafted Dickerson. It wasn’t round 1, but it was a premium pick. 

But all of this is beside the point. I don’t think we’re taking a first-round OL, but I don’t think we are necessarily solid there moving forward. Seumalo is a wildcard, and Driscoll is always hurt. We might need both a C and RG in 2023. 

Kayode Awosika who showed some promise in pre season will get a look at guard as well.

He was a OT in college but at 6'3" he projects as a guard.

Stoutland should have him ready to compete for a roster spot this year.

 

53 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I don't think he is as bad as a lot of you guys make him out to be. I also don't think he is as good as a lot of those guys on Reddit and the Hurts thread thinks he is. 

He was a project QB coming out of a college that does not produce great NFL QBs. There was always going to be a learning curve for him, it was just a matter of whether he would take to coaching and become a better player. I think the jury is still out on that. 

Alabama doesn’t produce great nfl qbs because great nfl qbs are very hard to come by.  
 

My data here may not be perfect, as I am just going off memory, but Alabama has 3 starting qbs in the nfl right now (Jones, Tua, Hurts).  With Mayfield out of a job, that makes Alabama the only school with more than one starting qb in the nfl. 
 

But wait!  That makes the other school Oklahoma, where Hurts ALSO started.

So Hurts literally played for the two schools with the two most prolific offenses with the two best coaches that put up the most nfl qbs with the most first round picks.

And Hurts played for both of them.  And he still can’t read a defense or release the football with half decent mechanics.  There is a fundamental problem with the player if he’s a project with a learning curve after coming out of those two programs.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

They already had Peters when they drafted Dillard. There was no immediate opening. 

You’re confusing his rookie year with 2020. 

oh ok. Ill still argue that they value the LT position higher, AND that they really couldnt pass on the value of a guy who they thought was a top 10 or 12 talent at that position sitting there considering the decline of Peters. 

Those scenarios dont apply to this player. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Norris is pretty plugged in. He supposedly had the most accurate mock of all-time last year (although I’m not sure how that was actually determined). 

Can you imagine if the falcons, a team that has holes everywhere and specifically in the 2 most important spots outside of QB(OL and DL), spend top 10 picks in back to back years on TE and S(arguably the 2 least valuable positions) 😂

 

Then again, I guess that’s probably why they are where they are most years. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

In the last 5 years we've drafted O-linemen in the top 40 when there were no clear and open roles for them.  Bingo

So to say there's ZERO chance,  when they know this is probably Kielce is done next year is kinda silly. They have options at center, and they can take a mid-late round center to compete as well. How many 1st round centers have we drafted in the past 10 decades? And why does that have anything to do with replacing Brandon Brooks- the rationale given for taking the OG in the mock draft.

 

Bottom line- its a stupid rationale to give from a guy who clearly doesnt follow philly closely enough. He didnt know any better. We do so we shouldnt be buying it. 

I would hope that the FO can see the criticality of the DL situation over the OL 'maybe' having holes at backup. After this season, we're currently sitting with a defunct DL unless if you want to re-sign Graham and Cox as the starters. We basically have Sweat, Milton and Hargrave looking forward. Going OL early would be a mistake.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

AND that they really couldnt pass on the value of a guy who they thought was a top 10 or 12 talent at that position

How do you know how they value Zion Johnson ??  Maybe on their board he is a top 15 player, plenty of sites have him as top 15 in this draft.

Would they pass on a guy they had as a top 15 player at 18 ??

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Alabama doesn’t produce great nfl qbs because great nfl qbs are very hard to come by.  
 

My data here may not be perfect, as I am just going off memory, but Alabama has 3 starting qbs in the nfl right now (Jones, Tua, Hurts).  With Mayfield out of a job, that makes Alabama the only school with more than one starting qb in the nfl. 
 

But wait!  That makes the other school Oklahoma, where Hurts ALSO started.

So Hurts literally played for the two schools with the two most prolific offenses with the two best coaches that put up the most nfl qbs with the most first round picks.

And Hurts played for both of them.  And he still can’t read a defense or release the football with half decent mechanics.  There is a fundamental problem with the player if he’s a project with a learning curve after coming out of those two programs.

This is just awful logic. Dreadful in fact.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

You're the one who said they only draft linemen when they have an open spot.  - which is wrong as shown by Dillard and Dickerson

Then you said they couldn't pass up the LT talent of Dillard, which is fine, but they drafted an interior guy in Dickerson with no clear and open spot either

At the end of the day, I dont think ANYONE here would be shocked if we woke up Friday morning to find out we drafted an Interior linemen in the first round. It's quite literally what we do

Wrong. I said 1st round OL. And I also qualified that it may make sense if we had an opening in the next year or 2, however at OG we do not have that. Pay attention. Follow along. And stop making a fool of yourself believing what a national writer says when he is less familiar with your local team than you are. 

3 hours ago, pallidrone said:

See what I mean @Iggles_Phan - context doesn't matter here. It can be plainly laid out as a reason why something is one way and it always gets twisted back to the original, played-out tropes.

What matters is personal opinions, comfort in commonality, and bias.

The context is that Hurts was overdrafted in Round 2, because he was seen as a very limited passer.  That has borne out in the NFL.  Not sure why it should be a shock that a guy drafted specifically to be a backup QB and gadget player is proving to be limited to being a backup quality QB or a starter running a gadget offense.  That's the context of Hurts as a prospect.  That hasn't gone anywhere and he's done nothing to dissuade anyone from their original scouting report on him.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How do you know how they value Zion Johnson ??  Maybe on their board he is a top 15 player, plenty of sites have him as top 15 in this draft.

Would they pass on a guy they had as a top 15 player at 18 ??

It doesnt fit the widely known strategy of choosing the best player available at a position of need.

Also, Dillard wasnt chosen till pick 22. If they had Johnson as a top 15 player and hes available 3 picks later thats not such a big deal. 

53 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If someone has the time to go through the PCs then they can probably find the quote where Nick said he changed the offense to a run base because of Hurts

So I just went through a few PCs and I could not find anything where he said that. However, I did find where he said that 2021 was a rookie year for Hurts, which is probably where a lot of people got that from.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It doesnt fit the widely known strategy of choosing the best player available at a position of need.

If only we had a GM who subscribed to that strategy...

I could see OG in Round 1 if they let Herbig walk or traded away Seumalo. They aren't going to take someone in round one while paying their 5th OG $2.5M or their 3rd OG with an almost $8M cap hit.

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

National Eagles are going 12-5 day

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Bottom line- its a stupid rationale to give from a guy who clearly doesnt follow philly closely enough. He didnt know any better. We do so we shouldnt be buying it. 

Has RTK ever heard of him? That really determines if we should believe it or not