1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

I agree 100%.
 Mahomes basically ran the same offense at TT and developed some bad habits, enough so that some teams had him as a 2nd round pick. It’s the main reason Andy sat him for most of his rookie season.   KC even used a bunch of RPO plays for Mahomes but Mahomes has two things going for him, his cannon of an arm and he’s super smart, like learned Bill Walsh’s West Coast playbook in the matter of days smart.  
 Guys like him don’t come around often and it’s a stretch to think Corral will be nearly as successful.
 As you said, give me the guys that are going through progressions at the college level, it puts them ahead of the curve. I’d love ha QB that can do that, and read a defense, behind one of the best O-lines in football.  
Trevor Lawrence at Clemson was using a heavy RPO, spread offense, but as he found out, the hash marks in the NFL and the speed of defenses, make that style of offense a really tough transition. 

Carson Strong did that... on one leg, behind this OL... he'd be better than what we currently have.  Eliminate the read option, limit the RPO and just play sound NFL football.  Strong running game, play action pass... maybe a ball across the middle from time to time and even to the left side of the field... and down the field.  

Round 2... I grab him at 51. If he's there in Round 3...  I snap him up in an instant, likely trade up to do it too.  

30 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

 

Gettleman should go to prison

He should go back to being their GM. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Carson Strong did that... on one leg, behind this OL... he'd be better than what we currently have.  Eliminate the read option, limit the RPO and just play sound NFL football.  Strong running game, play action pass... maybe a ball across the middle from time to time and even to the left side of the field... and down the field.  

Round 2... I grab him at 51. If he's there in Round 3...  I snap him up in an instant, likely trade up to do it too.  

I loved how some commentators criticized him for his play at the Senior Bowl, and the INT he threw was bad, but it was bad because he didn’t drive the throw with his legs, that’s something he’s working with Jordan Palmer on. The Jets want to dink and dunk their way down the field and they drafted Zach Wilson who wants to throw the ball, that was proven when some b/u veteran QB’s played well for the Jets.  Strong did the same thing at the Senior Bowl, his bread and butter isn’t 5-7 yd outs, it’s 15-20 yards over the middle of the field.  

Chiefs run RPOs... Bills run RPOs... they can be a part of any good NFL offense.

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Chiefs run RPOs... Bills run RPOs... they can be a part of any good NFL offense.

Keyword: part 

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Chiefs run RPOs... Bills run RPOs... they can be a part of any good NFL offense.

True but on avg per game for  the seeason maybe 7% rpos called.  It's not NFL sustainable and i wish it was. Somehow we did in 2017 at a 37% league high which is still outlier and rare. Struck oil at the perfect time. 

39 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

 

Gettleman should go to prison

Just for 2018 alone 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just for 2018 alone 

Well I'd pick a RB #2 if i had ummm can't think of the word right now. Want to say seniority. Immunity? 

2 minutes ago, NITEF4LL said:

Well I'd pick a RB #2 if i had ummm can't think of the word right now. Want to say seniority. Immunity? 

Dementia? 

29 minutes ago, NITEF4LL said:

True but on avg per game for  the seeason maybe 7% rpos called.  It's not NFL sustainable and i wish it was. Somehow we did in 2017 at a 37% league high which is still outlier and rare. Struck oil at the perfect time. 

It's a way to attack a defense just like any other play. If you have to lean on it as your only means to play offense, it won't be as effective, just like any kind of play or scheme.

They won’t trade in the division 

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Carson Strong did that... on one leg, behind this OL... he'd be better than what we currently have.  Eliminate the read option, limit the RPO and just play sound NFL football.  Strong running game, play action pass... maybe a ball across the middle from time to time and even to the left side of the field... and down the field.  

Round 2... I grab him at 51. If he's there in Round 3...  I snap him up in an instant, likely trade up to do it too.  

I think some team will draft him and be surprised by his mobility too. I don't think he is drew Bledsoe or Tom Brady statuesque. I think he will have Nick Foles "functional mobility". 

That knee was a wreck during the season.  But I saw him doing roll outs at the combine and he looked smooth.

Not sure if it was ever posted in here, but we brought Travis Jones in for a top-30 visit. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Not sure if it was ever posted in here, but we brought Travis Jones in for a top-30 visit. 

Good, love it. 

8 hours ago, NITEF4LL said:

True but on avg per game for  the seeason maybe 7% rpos called.  It's not NFL sustainable and i wish it was. Somehow we did in 2017 at a 37% league high which is still outlier and rare. Struck oil at the perfect time. 

With Foles, we really didn't run RPOs, since Foles couldn't run, it was more glorified play action as a staple of the offense, with one or two quick reads. If the QB can't run, that's pretty easy to defend once you figure it out.

With Hurts (or a similar QB), the RPO isn't a staple of the offense, but a look designed to keep DEs from crashing down the LOS for TFLs that disrupt drives. It's a decoy to help the running game.

 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

With Foles, we really didn't run RPOs, since Foles couldn't run, it was more glorified play action as a staple of the offense, with one or two quick reads. If the QB can't run, that's pretty easy to defend once you figure it out.

With Hurts (or a similar QB), the RPO isn't a staple of the offense, but a look designed to keep DEs from crashing down the LOS for TFLs that disrupt drives. It's a decoy to help the running game.

 

The RPOs Foles ran were either hand off or pass it. Still an RPO. His lack of running ability had nothing to do with it. 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

With Foles, we really didn't run RPOs, since Foles couldn't run, it was more glorified play action as a staple of the offense, with one or two quick reads. If the QB can't run, that's pretty easy to defend once you figure it out.

With Hurts (or a similar QB), the RPO isn't a staple of the offense, but a look designed to keep DEs from crashing down the LOS for TFLs that disrupt drives. It's a decoy to help the running game.

 

You're conflating RPOs with the read-option.

8 hours ago, schuy7 said:

It's a way to attack a defense just like any other play. If you have to lean on it as your only means to play offense, it won't be as effective, just like any kind of play or scheme.

 True, but in the NFL the O-line can only be 1yd past the line on a pass play, RPO’s are sold as run plays so the line pushes forwards and if the QB doesn’t get rid of the ball quickly, the offense gets a penalty.   The Eagles were called for it several times early last season because Hurts held onto the ball to long. 
 Even in college the higher amount of RPO’s a team runs, the less time a QB has time to go through any kind of progression, the rule in college is 3yds past the line for O-linemen, it’s better than the NFL’s 1yd, but not by much. 
 Foles was much better than Wentz running the RPO because he got rid of the ball quickly, although by the 1yd rule, the Eagles should of been penalized 3-4 times in the Super Bowl.  

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 True, but in the NFL the O-line can only be 1yd past the line on a pass play, RPO’s are sold as run plays so the line pushes forwards and if the QB doesn’t get rid of the ball quickly, the offense gets a penalty.   The Eagles were called for it several times early last season because Hurts held onto the ball to long. 
 Even in college the higher amount of RPO’s a team runs, the less time a QB has time to go through any kind of progression, the rule in college is 3yds past the line for O-linemen, it’s better than the NFL’s 1yd, but not by much. 
 Foles was much better than Wentz running the RPO because he got rid of the ball quickly, although by the 1yd rule, the Eagles should of been penalized 3-4 times in the Super Bowl.  

That 1 yard rule is a little bit like holding in todays nfl.  It can be called on almost any play.  The fact that the Eagles were called for it early in the season and not later in the season has nothing to do with Hurts and everything with how the game is called.   

4 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

That 1 yard rule is a little bit like holding in todays nfl.  It can be called on almost any play.  The fact that the Eagles were called for it early in the season and not later in the season has nothing to do with Hurts and everything with how the game is called.   

 That’s not entirely true, teams were told in TC that ineligible receivers downfield on RPO’s were gonna be called this season, the Eagles and Hurts were aware.  
 

Lineman Blocking Run + Wide Receivers Blocking Run = Read Option

Lineman Blocking Run + Wide Receivers Running Routes = RPO

Lineman Blocking Pass + Wide Receivers Running Routes = Play Action

 

53 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You're conflating RPOs with the read-option.

Correct...it's kind of hard to tell sometimes watching what a play is.  Last year the RPO was scrapped for a hard play action with single reads, where like AFan said, the aim was to disrupt the DE and leave the option for Hurts to take off.

My primer...

Read option => read the unblocked defender (usually a DE)

RPO => read the defender in coverage (usually a LB)

23 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

That 1 yard rule is a little bit like holding in todays nfl.  It can be called on almost any play.  The fact that the Eagles were called for it early in the season and not later in the season has nothing to do with Hurts and everything with how the game is called.   

Pulling it down and looking for a second passing window on an RPO is a no-no. The fact that we were getting these penalties midseason is on Hurts/coaching staff. It’s obvious in these situations that the OL are well downfield and the QB must run or draw the penalty. This was annoying, as was the whole lack of nuance with the rub routes… 

 

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Pulling it down and looking for a second passing window on an RPO is a no-no. The fact that we were getting these penalties midseason is on Hurts/coaching staff. It’s obvious in these situations that the OL are well downfield and the QB must run or draw the penalty. This was annoying, as was the whole lack of nuance with the rub routes… 

It was only a problem in the beginning of the year, but it was a league wide issue.  There were so many td's last year with lineman way past 1 yard , the nfl just decided to not be as strict with it thats all.