1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Dan Marino was mobile in the pocket in a subtle way, he manipulated the pocket And the rush with subtle steps, I think after he tore his Achilles though he even lost the ability to move how he did before, and yeah he was as you say a lawn ornament 

ESPN had a special a while back titled top 10 mobile qbs, Randall and Steve young were obvious inclusions but to the surprise if everyone Dan Marino was included, the narrator went on to describe Marino's mobility within the pocket to avoid the rush and find passing lanes with subtle steps to the left or right or stepping up into the pocket.

He always has two hands on the ball as well ready to pass even when he's climbing or stepping to the right or left, he played QB the right way.

ESPN also ranked the Eagles the 6th best drafting team.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

For me, I would not let Strong go past our 2nd.

I agree, but will Howie admit his mistake with Hurts and commit, arguably the same mistake at the same time?  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree, but will Howie admit his mistake with Hurts and commit, arguably the same mistake at the same time?  

That's the tough question.  He rattled his starting QB by selecting a soon-to-be failed QB in round 2.  Is he willing to draft another QB in round 2 and accept the risk of that not working out either?  

I could see Strong being there for our 2nd...but he won't be for our 3rd.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's the tough question.  He rattled his starting QB by selecting a soon-to-be failed QB in round 2.  Is he willing to draft another QB in round 2 and accept the risk of that not working out either?  

I could see Strong being there for our 2nd...but he won't be for our 3rd.

Agreed.

Watched some more George Pickens last night.  I really think he's my top WR now.  I love what Jameson Williams brings to the table and if he's there at 15 or 18 I'm hard pressed not to take him.  However, if the Eagles can move down from 18 to the mid-20s and take Pickens, I would be ecstatic. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's the tough question.  He rattled his starting QB by selecting a soon-to-be failed QB in round 2.  Is he willing to draft another QB in round 2 and accept the risk of that not working out either?  

I could see Strong being there for our 2nd...but he won't be for our 3rd.

It wouldn’t shock me if he wasn’t there for our 2nd.  As ‘bad’ as everyone says this draft is at the position, QBs are always way over-drafted.  

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

ESPN also ranked the Eagles the 6th best drafting team.  

And the method they used to come up with that ranking slotted the eagles appropriately.

Doesn't dismiss the notion that Marino was functionally mobile inside the pocket.

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Watched some more George Pickens last night.  I really think he's my top WR now.  I love what Jameson Williams brings to the table and if he's there at 15 or 18 I'm hard pressed not to take him.  However, if the Eagles can move down from 18 to the mid-20s and take Pickens, I would be ecstatic. 

Pickens has bombed all his interviews.

If I were hiring some one and they had a sparkling impressive resume but we're a total d bag in the interview process I wouldn't hire them.

Having said that maybe the reports of his bad interviews are just that, either way I hope if the eagles drafted him they did their homework instead of just taking him on a whim.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

And the method they used to come up with that ranking slotted the eagles appropriately.

Doesn't dismiss the notion that Marino was functionally mobile inside the pocket.

I dispute that their method was highly flawed in evaluating draft success.  And a flawed method cannot return consistently meaningful results.  

Similarly, mobile QBs where Young and Cunningham rate highly is a completely separate conversation from 'pocket awareness' and moving within the pocket.  Frankly, Cunningham was terrible at that.  Brady, Marino, Manning were very good at that... apples/oranges.  

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Pickens has bombed all his interviews.

If I were hiring some one and they had a sparkling impressive resume but we're a total d bag in the interview process I wouldn't hire them.

Having said that maybe the reports of his bad interviews are just that, either way I hope if the eagles drafted him they did their homework instead of just taking him on a whim.

I hadn't heard that yet.  I wonder what the issue is with his interviews.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I dispute that their method was highly flawed in evaluating draft success.  And a flawed method cannot return consistently meaningful results.  

Similarly, mobile QBs where Young and Cunningham rate highly is a completely separate conversation from 'pocket awareness' and moving within the pocket.  Frankly, Cunningham was terrible at that.  Brady, Marino, Manning were very good at that... apples/oranges.  

Yup it is different yet still mobility.

Mobility to me is ability to avoid the pass rush.

As said Marino could do that without running in circles in a clean pocket, until the Injury which hampered his ability to effectively make those subtle movements.

 

 

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hadn't heard that yet.  I wonder what the issue is with his interviews.  

I wonder too, could just be a smoke screen, somebody posted it on here yesterday, apparently report was referencing a Dallas cowboy exec who said the interview was really bad? 

So who knows, but on tape yeah he looked good.

I think the injury probably drops him a bit regardless of how he interviews.

 

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I hadn't heard that yet.  I wonder what the issue is with his interviews.  

Maybe he requested sideline hot dogs before during and after games...😉

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I said when we drafted Nick Foles, 1 decade ago, that I liked the notion of drafting big frame, tall, arm-talent passers after round 1 and letting them compete for the job.  It's a lot cheaper (and maybe even statistically safer) than putting all your eggs in one basket for a 5 year marriage to just one QB and  handing over the reigns.

It didn't exactly work out for Foles. 

What?

35 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I wonder too, could just be a smoke screen, somebody posted it on here yesterday, apparently report was referencing a Dallas cowboy exec who said the interview was really bad? 

So who knows, but on tape yeah he looked good.

I think the injury probably drops him a bit regardless of how he interviews.

 

The last team that would ever care about bad interviews is the Cowboys. 

Interesting on the Kollman video I watched they talked a lot about him and never mentioned character at all.  Just that he's lower due to injury. 

Kollman sends pretty connected bring that he gets to go to shrine bowl and does plenty of interviews with players. 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

What?

Obviously he means becoming a franchise QB.

46 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I wonder too, could just be a smoke screen, somebody posted it on here yesterday, apparently report was referencing a Dallas cowboy exec who said the interview was really bad? 

So who knows, but on tape yeah he looked good.

I think the injury probably drops him a bit regardless of how he interviews.

 

Cowboys probably put that out there so he drops to them.  He plays with an edge the Cowboys love.  Would HATE to see him go to Dallas.  

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cowboys probably put that out there so he drops to them.  He plays with an edge the Cowboys love.  Would HATE to see him go to Dallas.  

Yup.

Not sure what eagles fans hate more.

Howie drafting trash WRs or Dallas drafting good ones?

19 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The last team that would ever care about bad interviews is the Cowboys. 

Interesting on the Kollman video I watched they talked a lot about him and never mentioned character at all.  Just that he's lower due to injury. 

Kollman sends pretty connected bring that he gets to go to shrine bowl and does plenty of interviews with players. 

Obviously he means becoming a franchise QB.

Foles has as many super bowl MVPs as Aaron Rodgers so I'd say it worked out just fine.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Foles has as many super bowl MVPs as Aaron Rodgers so I'd say it worked out just fine.

Well it did...and I love Foles as much as anyone.  But that's not the specific blueprint we are looking for.

Ideally, it's a qb that starts by year 2-3 and has an uninterrupted career as our starting QB for many years.

 

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Obviously he means becoming a franchise QB.

Nick Foles was drafted in RD3. He was not drafted to be a franchise QB. After RD1 for QBs, you're hoping for a plus backup / spot-starter. Foles gave the Eagles 2 incredible years (2013, 2017). The expectation of a franchise QB is unrealistic. It's rare to find Russel Wilsons/Dak Prescotts. And the Cowboys didn't even want Dak.

14 minutes ago, RLC said:

Nick Foles was drafted in RD3. He was not drafted to be a franchise QB. After RD1 for QBs, you're hoping for a plus backup / spot-starter. Foles gave the Eagles 2 incredible years (2013, 2017). The expectation of a franchise QB is unrealistic. It's rare to find Russel Wilsons/Dak Prescotts. And the Cowboys didn't even want Dak.

But that's always the hope

47 minutes ago, RLC said:

Nick Foles was drafted in RD3. He was not drafted to be a franchise QB. After RD1 for QBs, you're hoping for a plus backup / spot-starter. Foles gave the Eagles 2 incredible years (2013, 2017). The expectation of a franchise QB is unrealistic. It's rare to find Russel Wilsons/Dak Prescotts. And the Cowboys didn't even want Dak.

I actually thought Dak was the best QB in that draft and I said so at the time.

I didn't mind Wentz but I thought it would be more prudent fur Howie to save his picks and be patient and draft Dak later 

Of course they identified Wentz early as a target and Dak was a second third day prospect.

Either way it worked out in a way, eagles won a super bowl and Dallas hasn't since 1995.👍

I'd be really bummed to see Deebo go to the Jets. When was the last time a skill position player went to the Jets and didn't bottom out?

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I'd be really bummed to see Deebo go to the Jets. When was the last time a skill position player went to the Jets and didn't bottom out?

They need to save that #10 pick so we have a potential trade up partner.

Foles was another victim of Chip Kelly’s ineptitude.  It wasn’t resolved yet whether he could be the Eagles franchise QB.  Even when he came down from the 27 TD/ 2 INT season in 2013 to an up-and-down 2014, the team was still winning when he was in there. He had some injury concerns, but Kelly trading him for Bradford never made any sense — just like most of Chip’s moves as a GM.