3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The OT run will help us greatly.  

 

 

I heard Kyle Hamilton took an "Amber Herd" (Grumpy) in his bed.  He should fall to 15.  

It's CENTER....you hippie canuck.  

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

This is not a rebuilding attitude. If a G/C combo guy (I agree that pure centers don't make sense early) is available, that's insurance at both C and both G spots along with Driscoll. So you go BPA, and if the BPA is a lineman, since you're really drafting for 2023/2024, don't sweat it and take him.

The only gaping hole in 2022 might be safety, but that's why they stockpiled DBs who can run last year. Other key need is a power back.

Otherwise they've patched LB, brought back Cox and Barnett and have Graham, brought in Pascal as the possession WR.

Losses from last season are McLeod, Singleton, Ridgeway, Kerrigan, Avery, Nelson. Nelson is the only one who played a major role and he's not exactly irreplaceable.

3 guys on the DL who won't be back for 2023.  Sounds like DL needs a total rebuild.  There's Sweat, Milton Williams, and ........   ....... for 2023

I'm very hesitant on Jameson Williams.   Every year you see a WR go in the first due to their great speed and they always seem to never really panout at all in the NFL.  The ACL injury on top of that. 

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

For all we know, the best player they add by Sunday night will turn out to be a late round pick or UDFA they sign after the draft. Unlikely, but stranger things have happened in the NFL. Mailata may be their best player they've added since Lane, and Kelce was a 6th rd pick.

And that tells you all you need to know about how well Howie drafts.  Getting a stud in the late rounds is a great bonus, but should never be the best hits you have, or the only ones.  And frankly, if you thought that highly of them, they probably should have been a draft pick (speaking of the UDFA) or a higher draft pick (speaking of the late round stud).  Otherwise, you find yourself waiting and waiting trying to maximize value, and end up with egg on your face and Donnell Pumphrey on your roster.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

While I agree with what you tell your students and it's an admirable thing to say.

I just don't trust and believe in Howie.  He's lasted longer as the GM, not because of his performance but because of a relationship.  It's fine to "trust your board".  But I don't trust the guy who put "his board" together.  

Trust the board is the right mentality.  The problem, for me (not that it matters), is that I don’t trust Howie’s board.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And that tells you all you need to know about how well Howie drafts.  Getting a stud in the late rounds is a great bonus, but should never be the best hits you have, or the only ones.  And frankly, if you thought that highly of them, they probably should have been a draft pick (speaking of the UDFA) or a higher draft pick (speaking of the late round stud).  Otherwise, you find yourself waiting and waiting trying to maximize value, and end up with egg on your face and Donnell Pumphrey on your roster.

 

Seahawks had a run of a decade built off of success in later round drafts with mostly misses in the first round outside of Earl Thomas. 

 

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Herbig signed his tender, so he's now tradeable, as well as Dillard.

Driscoll, Awosika, Opeta, Anderson, Toth make Herbig expendable if Seumalo starts at RG.

Reason they'll draft a couple OL:  2023, does Kelce return at 36, Lane is 33, Seumalo is 30 and a UFA.

They can go for projects that need a year in the weight room (and Stoutland's lash) b/c none have to play in 2022.

 

Seumalo is 30? That just blew my mind. I assume you mean 30 by the end of the season (because he's actually 28 right now). Feels like he hasn't been around that long. I forgot he was drafted all the way back in 2016 in the Wentz draft.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

Seahawks had a run of a decade built off of success in later round drafts with mostly misses in the first round outside of Earl Thomas. 

You have a point to make here, I assume.  

 

Let me save you the trouble.  The Seahawks got lucky in that, because they clearly valued the misses early in the draft higher than their hits later in the draft.  The late round hits are there to remind us the importance of good scouting and bringing in coaches that can scheme to cover for the limitations of those players found later in the draft.  BUT... that's not a defense for poor drafting in the early rounds.  Clearly there was a problem with their scouting or their boards, or something else institutionally.  

Generally, the best teams are the ones that can find studs in the early rounds, and find pieces to put around them to fill the gaps.  Getting a QB in Round 3, most of the secondary in Rounds 4 or later, etc. isn't a good model.  BUT... that team was really built on the running of Marshawn Lynch (a former first round RB), whom they picked up cheap on the trade market after he got in some legal trouble and had some nagging injuries.  Again.. not a sustainable method to build, which is why they are in trouble now and haven't been a serious contender since Lynch left and the secondary aged out.  They never fixed their drafting woes and stopped getting lucky in the late rounds.

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Nonsense. I just don’t see a player worthy of moving up for in this draft. But Howie likes to trade. Only Belichek and the Cheatriots trade more on draft day than Howie. Of course, part of BB’s trades are disposing of misses he makes in the draft. 

4 minutes ago, bbabraham said:

Seumalo is 30? That just blew my mind. I assume you mean 30 by the end of the season (because he's actually 28 right now). Feels like he hasn't been around that long. I forgot he was drafted all the way back in 2016 in the Wentz draft.

That's because he didn't play much in 2016, get benched in 2017 at LG.  Then became a starter in 2018, where he got hurt.  Played all 16 games in 2019, and has been injured every year since then.

43 starts in 6 seasons.  Averages out to 7 per year.  Not exactly good.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

3 guys on the DL who won't be back for 2023.  Sounds like DL needs a total rebuild.  There's Sweat, Milton Williams, and ........   ....... for 2023

DL needs to add young players in this draft.  CB, S and power RB are need areas.  OL, C and G, can always use more players.  With the Stratland to spot and coach talents, no need to go early rounds for OL.

13 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I didnt realize Damone Clark had a hearniated disc at the combine and they said he will miss the entire season after needing a spinal fusion surgery.

No wonder he has been ranked so much lower than his talent indicates. 

I would not draft him with that kind of injury.  

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You have a point to make here, I assume.  

 

Let me save you the trouble.  The Seahawks got lucky in that, because they clearly valued the misses early in the draft higher than their hits later in the draft.  The late round hits are there to remind us the importance of good scouting and bringing in coaches that can scheme to cover for the limitations of those players found later in the draft.  BUT... that's not a defense for poor drafting in the early rounds.  Clearly there was a problem with their scouting or their boards, or something else institutionally.  

Generally, the best teams are the ones that can find studs in the early rounds, and find pieces to put around them to fill the gaps.  Getting a QB in Round 3, most of the secondary in Rounds 4 or later, etc. isn't a good model.  BUT... that team was really built on the running of Marshawn Lynch (a former first round RB), whom they picked up cheap on the trade market after he got in some legal trouble and had some nagging injuries.  Again.. not a sustainable method to build, which is why they are in trouble now and haven't been a serious contender since Lynch left and the secondary aged out.  They never fixed their drafting woes and stopped getting lucky in the late rounds.

 

Are they though? Patriots are another team that comes to mind of never really having much success in the first round. Cowboys hit every early draft pick they make it seems but they can't get past the second round ever. Looking at the Chiefs they have only made 2 picks in the first round the past 6 years and they have had all the success that they have been having.  Now one of those two first round picks was Mahomes so that's a big one.  Another team is the Rams who trade away their firsts all the time but hit in the later rounds. 

Can't really think of a team that has a lot of success that is doing so due to hitting with consistency on their early round picks. 

35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Herbig signed his tender, so he's now tradeable, as well as Dillard.

Driscoll, Awosika, Opeta, Anderson, Toth make Herbig expendable if Seumalo starts at RG.

Reason they'll draft a couple OL:  2023, does Kelce return at 36, Lane is 33, Seumalo is 30 and a UFA.

They can go for projects that need a year in the weight room (and Stoutland's lash) b/c none have to play in 2022.

 

You are assuming that Seumalo recovers from what appears to be a lis franc.  That injury can kill the career of an IOL.  Toth is recovering from an ACL in the cowpads game. Makes it tough for him to gain a roster spot although when he played, he looked good.  But then again, run blocking was his strength in college.  Did you watch Driscoll at G?  He has anchor problems. Not built for junk in the trunk. Good technique, but build is wrong.  Anderson was cut by Buffalo and his play suggests why.  Can Stoutland mold something?  We will see.  Opeta was not good in the Tampa game. Time to move on (maybe Howie can get a 6 for him.) Awosika was an UDFA and showed some potential but is very green at G.  If OL is the BPA, grab the O lineman. 

59 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

 

I'd imagine a trade up in the first would involve that second first round lick in the package. 

2 options - Choose one

Option 1 - Eagles give up 18 and 51 to get to 9, 10, or 11?  Then still have 15

Option 2 - Trade 15 and 83 to get up to around 11?  Then still have 18

Which one you taking?

 

31 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

3 guys on the DL who won't be back for 2023.  Sounds like DL needs a total rebuild.  There's Sweat, Milton Williams, and ........   ....... for 2023

I think Hargrave gets an extension but edge is very shallow for the future. I cant imagine we dont add one round one and probably two by early day 3

42 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I have had this conversation with my wife, multiple times the past month.  

"Honey, I'm gonna take over the living room for the entire weekend to watch................"

- NCAA Tourney

- Final Four

- Phillies opening weekend/Masters weekend

Now we have the draft....

Pray for me.  

That's not why I pray for you.

31 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm very hesitant on Jameson Williams.   Every year you see a WR go in the first due to their great speed and they always seem to never really panout at all in the NFL.  The ACL injury on top of that. 

Speed guys are fine as long as they have good route running to go along with it. He has the route running ability that our previous attempt at a "speed receiver" in Reagor doesn't.

My crack at it with no trades..  Just players I think each team might end up with...  I'll probably have a 3% hit rate.

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

2 options - Choose one

Option 1 - Eagles give up 18 and 51 to get to 9, 10, or 11?  Then still have 15

Option 2 - Trade 15 and 83 to get up to around 11?  Then still have 18

Which one you taking?

 

Option 2.

The difference between #15 and #18 isn't worth #51 over #83.

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

2 options - Choose one

Option 1 - Eagles give up 18 and 51 to get to 9, 10, or 11?  Then still have 15

Option 2 - Trade 15 and 83 to get up to around 11?  Then still have 18

Which one you taking?

 

Neither. 

33 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm very hesitant on Jameson Williams.   Every year you see a WR go in the first due to their great speed and they always seem to never really panout at all in the NFL.  The ACL injury on top of that. 

Williams demolished the SEC, Reagor underachieved in the Big 12. Apples to oranges.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Reagor was a panic reach.  Williams wouldn't be.  If we don't move up to get him.  

Please Howie do not panic this year!