7 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

That is stupid.  Grow up.

This coming from someone with a gimp as a avatar , smh 

6 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

That is stupid.  Grow up.

We're on a message board talking about grown men who dress in costumes and get paid to run into each other to play a game and you want me to grow up because I made a momma joke ?

Of all the ridiculous things people say to each other on this board some offensive some not you draw the line at momma jokes?

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Cosell was saying Davis is more a strength player than a power player and how he controls the space he's in rather than moves space, and I'd never really thought about the difference between power and strength in football before I always kind of lumped them together.

I guess what it comes down to is what one wants out of ones DT in ones Defensive scheme, does want him to control gaps and occupy space then break off that controlled space and make a tackle or does one want a guy who moves space, pushes or collapses the pocket, ideally it would be nice to have both, but guys that can do both at a high level are few and far between 

I think Davis can control space and multiple gaps at an elite level, I'm not sure he has the power of say a guy like vita vae to collapse the pocket as well.

I'm also not sure what Gannon is exactly looking for in his defense or even if it's clear what kind of defense he's going to run.

There's talk about a 5-2 hybrid front which with addition of Reddick would make sense others have said a 4 man over Front or a 34 hybrid , so who knows,I'm not well versed enough in the intricacies of defensive front to make enough of an educated guess if what the heck Gannon is thinking 

On tape in college though Davis was a big reason teams couldn't run in Georgia, he was just an immovable force and I think he can be that in the pros but as said but sure that's what Gannon is looking for maybe he wants a guy that moves more forward more than a guy that doesn't move backwards 🤷‍♂️

In that case, the question is do you or need to take space eaters in the first round? Not to say they aren't important, but the Eagles defense has lacked playmaking. Sacks, turnovers, etc. That doesn't seem like it's an area Davis is going to improve you much. At least not directly. Not sure where the sacks and INTs are going to come from unless the Eagles start investing premium picks in guys who product those things for you.

 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think people are overrating the value of Jordan Davis' athleticism.

100 times out of 100 in a vacuum you'd rather have an athletic player over an unathletic one. Having said that, of all the positions on the field, I don't think athleticism at DT is as important as other positions. EDGE, CB, Safety, LB... it's probably more important for literally every other position on defense.

If you could only have one trait from your DT that was exceptional, for me it would be raw power, not athleticism. Now maybe Davis ends up having that as well and he's a complete player. But I can't get by his lack of push and pressure up front in college. I think he has a lot of potential, but some people are penciling him in as this sure thing and I think he's less sure than Stingley is - a guy people think has some questions.

Still would much rather invest in EDGE if Eagles go DL.

The lack of push assigned to Davis is a misconception.  He is very able to get penetration and push a pocket.  He was primarily in 0 technique in odd fronts where part of his role was occupying the guard and center.  Which he did routinely without losing any ground.  I mean one reason Quay Walker, Tindall and Nakobe Dean were making so many tackles is that Davis was occupying o-linemen.  Davis isn't a pocket collapsing presence the way Cox was and Donald is but he will make playing the run with smaller and faster LBs a lot easier.  He makes the run defense much much better.  He would be able to do enough on passing downs to keep him on the field. 

 

Cosell was talking about Marcus Jones and said he thought he could be deployed similarly to Honey Badger. Maybe that’s what we’re seeing in him? It wouldn’t make sense to spend a premium pick on a slot/return guy. 

9 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

This coming from someone with a gimp as a avatar , smh 

Rainbow gimp.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

In that case, the question is do you or need to take space eaters in the first round? Not to say they aren't important, but the Eagles defense has lacked playmaking. Sacks, turnovers, etc. That doesn't seem like it's an area Davis is going to improve you much. At least not directly. Not sure where the sacks and INTs are going to come from unless the Eagles start investing premium picks in guys who product those things for you.

Yup 

Drafting Davis wouldn't be because one expects to get more pressure in the qb from him, and the question of how much value does a space eater have in a passing league is a valid question 

I think in the scenario that eagles drafted Davis his job would be to occupy blockers to allow others to make sacks pressures ect, namely Reddick.

Then again maybe gannin wants a guy that can create pressure you the middle which so far Davis has t shown to do a tob of in college 

I think something that helps Davis out tremendously other than his shear size and girth is his length, he has long arms and huge hands which allow him to not only control space but disrupt passing lanes and really occupy space shorter guys can't 

We'll see, if the eagles do draft him at 15 or 18 I'd hope they do so with the thought that he fits the system they are running instead of drafting him hoping he can adjust to the system.

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

We're on a message board talking about grown men who dress in costumes and get paid to run into each other to play a game and you want me to grow up because I made a momma joke ?

Of all the ridiculous things people say to each other on this board some offensive some not you draw the line at momma jokes?

Jokes are supposed to be funny.

Let's try it on for size:

Poster 1 to Poster 2: you irritate me you jerk

Poster 2 in response to Poster 1: I plowed your mom last night,  I'm f'ing hilarious!

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I dont mind a small move up from 15, and a small to moderate trade back from 18, to anywhere as long as it stays in the 1st round.

X jets scout on Davis

Davis is a classic textbook example of a prospect who got overhyped at the combine.

As someone who worked on Hall of Fame Coach Bill Parcells’ staff, Davis is nothing more than a limited area and limited production role player. He will struggle to get to the quarterback in the NFL.

The name of the game on defense is being able to get to the passer and/or being able to defend throws downfield. In other words, if a team cannot select a legit pass rusher or an elite corner in the first round, they need to instead take a skill position offensive player and try to keep up. 
 

This is not 1980’s smash-mouth football anymore. The premium is on EDGE rushers, who can disrupt the pocket and get to the quarterback.  

 

Davis, and his seven sacks over four years, is not that type of player. This is why he was a sub defensive linemen who got subbed out of a lot of passing situations.

In 2021, Davis put up two sacks in 13 games. 

He put up these low sack numbers against lesser level competition than what the NFL has to offer.

Even as a run-stuffer, Davis’ production left a lot to be desired at Georgia: 

• 2021: 32 tackles (17 solo)
• 2020: 16 tackles (7 solo)
• 2019: 18 tackles (7 solo) 
• 2018: 25 tackles (6 solo)

• Davis has only put up seven sacks and 37 solo tackles in four years. 

  Those numbers do not say first round. 

  The game film does not say first round. 

  The Scouting Combine numbers on Davis mean nothing. Davis does not run 40 yards in an entire game. 
   

• https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/.amp/news/new-york-jets-scout-not-impressed-with-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-jordan-davis

 

 

Reminder: there is no position where athleticism matters more than DL. 

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Jokes are supposed to be funny.

Let's try it on for size:

Poster 1 to Poster 2: you irritate me you jerk

Poster 2 in response to Poster 1: I plowed your mom last night,  I'm f'ing hilarious!

Lol comedic gold😄

I think you miss the nuance of joke telling and reciprocal insulting in one fail swoop 😉

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Stocking up on 2nd day picks doesn't improve this roster as much as possible

Picking good players does. Please forward to Howie. 

56 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sixers will end that series in Game 6.  They just assumed going home would be enough to win Game 5 and they collectively threw bricks.  They won't win their next series, but they'll finish off this one.

The Sixers are lucky to not be down 3-2, and are a Joel Embiid 3 pointer away from being so. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Small trade up from 15 to 12-13 for Jordan Davis or Jermaine Johnson I'd be okay with

The only prospects I'd trade into the top 10 for are Hamilton and Thibodeaux.  Not sure I'd trade up high enough for a CB like Gardner.

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

X jets scout on Davis

Davis is a classic textbook example of a prospect who got overhyped at the combine.

As someone who worked on Hall of Fame Coach Bill Parcells’ staff, Davis is nothing more than a limited area and limited production role player. He will struggle to get to the quarterback in the NFL.

The name of the game on defense is being able to get to the passer and/or being able to defend throws downfield. In other words, if a team cannot select a legit pass rusher or an elite corner in the first round, they need to instead take a skill position offensive player and try to keep up. 
 

This is not 1980’s smash-mouth football anymore. The premium is on EDGE rushers, who can disrupt the pocket and get to the quarterback.  

 

Davis, and his seven sacks over four years, is not that type of player. This is why he was a sub defensive linemen who got subbed out of a lot of passing situations.

In 2021, Davis put up two sacks in 13 games. 

He put up these low sack numbers against lesser level competition than what the NFL has to offer.

Even as a run-stuffer, Davis’ production left a lot to be desired at Georgia: 

• 2021: 32 tackles (17 solo)
• 2020: 16 tackles (7 solo)
• 2019: 18 tackles (7 solo) 
• 2018: 25 tackles (6 solo)

• Davis has only put up seven sacks and 37 solo tackles in four years. 

  Those numbers do not say first round. 

  The game film does not say first round. 

  The Scouting Combine numbers on Davis mean nothing. Davis does not run 40 yards in an entire game. 
   

• https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/.amp/news/new-york-jets-scout-not-impressed-with-2022-nfl-draft-prospect-jordan-davis

 

 

I think if one is using stats to guage Davis effectiveness one doesn't understand the point of Davis 

His job wasnt to compile stats, his job was ti anchor that defense and allow others to complie stats 

Take Davis out of that Georgia defense and they're not nearly as dominant, still pretty good but Davis to me at least was the keystone of that defense 

I think In the NFL one still builds from the inside out and Davis is a pretty good inside piece to build around.

Whether that's worth a top 15 pick🤷‍♂️

I think Winfrey is the IDL to get  , big upside and already a 2 way player . My top IDL 

I propose we get a reaction under the "Like" dropdown that's a snoring/napping emoji so we can react to bad regurgitated/repeated takes from the same people on a daily basis. That'll make things interesting.

31 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But the sack and QB pressures production wasn't there. I've seen a lot of analysts explain that away with different contexts and maybe they'll end up being right. I'm not saying he won't be great. But we've all seen prospects in all sports have great measurables or athletic traits and they just don't produce at that elite level people expected.

It's not so much that I think Davis sucks, but of the guys you could potentially get at 15 or move up a bit for, not sure how he could be anyone's #1 guy.

I think it depends on who is available.  If the choice is between Jordan Davis, Kyle Hamilton or Jameson Williams, I would rather have Davis.  If the choice is between McDuffie, Drake London or Davis, I think Davis is the much better pick. 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I think Winfrey is the IDL to get  , big upside and already a 2 way player . My top IDL 

He's not very good against the run or at the point which is why he's not being talked about as a top prospect.

I like him a lot though

I'm not a fan of any of the Georgia d-lineman. I think that it was more of "a rising tides lifts all boats" situation there. Could be wrong, but I want no part of any of them.

Just now, Utebird said:

I think if one is using stats to guage Davis effectiveness one doesn't understand the point of Davis 

His job wasnt to compile stats, his job was ti anchor that defense and allow others to compliment stats 

Take Davis out of that Georgia defense and they're not nearly as dominant, still pretty good but Davis to me at least was the keystone of that defense 

I think In the NFL one still builds from the inside out and Davis is a pretty good inside piece to build around.

Zero pass rush ability currently , had some conditioning issues too , Smart called him out on it , everyone’s talking how Davis helped his teammates , well his teammates made him look better too , GA best player is still in school , Carter , stud . I hear Vea comp , Vea can get to the QB , even when being doubled , moving the QB off his spot matters … and zero conditioning issues  

Davis has a long way to go as a pass rusher , until he gets there he will be subbed 

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

I'm not a fan of any of the Georgia d-lineman. I think that it was more of "a rising tides lifts all boats" situation there. Could be wrong, but I want no part of any of them.

That's a fair assessment as well though odds would suggest at least one of them will be good.

Which one though🤔

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The Sixers are lucky to not be down 3-2, and are a Joel Embiid 3 pointer away from being so. 

I’m ashamed to say i made this bet last night/early morning with the odds