Honestly not sure how I feel about Davis. I thought they gave up too much to move 2 spots up, and was hoping the pick would be Hamilton instead. Just harder to get excited about Davis when he is more of a wait and see than Hamilton would have been. AJ Brown is a huge pick up and he and Smith and this WR core will be great for the QB taken next year.

You Fing guys take the fun out of everything

 

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Eagles fans- "Don't reach Howie go bpa"

 

Also Eagles fans- wah why did we draft a d.t. when Cox is still here

 

Seriously guys Cox is Fing old and Howie just shored up our d-line for the future and got us a hell of a w.r. we shouldn't be ****ing about it

Also Eagles fans: "We don't have enough young high end talent, just a bunch of mediocre JAGs"

Howie gets 2 young high end talents

Eagles fans: "You gave away Day 3 picks!!! We needed more JAGs."

31 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm really lukewarm on the moves last night.  Not because of the players but because of the process and the roster construction.

Davis is a beast.  There were talks of him being the 1st overall pick during the season.  However, the Fletcher Cox situation makes me scratch my head.  We all know the Eagles build from the line out and DT was a need in the draft.  What's the point in cutting Cox and then bringing him back at $14 million just to go and trade up for another DT.  You also have big money tied in to Hargrave and spent a 3rd on Milton Williams last year.  I view Williams as a DT.  Now the thought of Williams and Davis playing together is pretty exciting.  Again, no problem with the player but question the previous moves.

Regarding Brown.  He comes in and is now WR1.  Howie's track record of drafting WR is pretty much trash so adding Brown, who's still just 24 and a known commodity is probably better for Howie than trying to draft one, especially since he was pretty much forced to take Burks, trade down or overdraft like the Redskins did.  Reason they had to trade for Brown though was because of Howie's poor draft record at WR.  

Lastly, the Eagles started the night with 11 picks and now only have 5  in a draft where all we've heard that this is a deep draft and the strength is going to be the middle rounds.  In true Howie fashion he almost always ignores the strength of the draft.  Of course the draft has 6 more rounds so Howie better be on the phone trying to get some of those picks back.  Sadly, two first round busts might only get us those 4th and 5th round picks back.  

Dillard, Reagor, Hargrave, Seumalo, Herbig and Minshew are all players who could be moved.  

I think we're going to see a safety and QB run to start the 2nd.  Bummed that both Hill and Cine went in the late 1st.  The tier 2 safeties should fly off the board.  Willis and Corral are excellent value in round 2. Maybe that pushes Ridder, Strong or even Howell down to the 3rd.  If any of those QBs are available for the Eagles the value might be too good to pass on.  However, that takes away from other positions that they sorely need to add to.  

The Eagles still need S, CB, LB, DE, RB, G and TE.  They have 4 picks.  Let's see if any players are moved.  

Again, no problem with Davis or Brown at all but I don't like the process of Howie Roseman.

We are talking about the worst drafting team in the NFL between 2014-2021.  Other than perhaps the Jets.

They went and got a guy I think will have a big impact on the defense for a long time.   Then they add a proven #1 WR who is 24.  Huge wins for me.

it’s possible the owner/GM and his lackey have done some self analysis and maybe came to a conclusion that they need to follow the evaluations and scouting, trust the people they hired, stop seeking and buying into outside opinions, stop trying to be "smarter” and "ahead of the curve,” and most importantly, stop believing they are the smartest people in the room.  Speculation on my part, but this draft and last are such welcome departures from prior years.

We now have two years in a row of making the right moves and adding good players, who can be real impact players.  For me it’s never about filling every need, it’s all about finding difference makers at all positions.  I think they are building the right way to hopefully, eventually be in position to find a true championship caliber QB in the near future.

I think they will trade down in one of their picks, and add more in the current draft.  Not sure which they will but I do expect they will add another day 3 pick or two this year.  Maybe it depends on what is there at 51.  If they don’t trade down from 51 it’s a near lock they will in round 3.

Davis will be fine. We run mainly a 3-4 over/under set now. Davis will fill that NT role we did not have last year. If he is anything close to his comp in Ngata then its a big win for this team. Do I think Howie gave a bit much to move up 2 picks? A bit , yes but if you want what you want, you have to pay the price. In this Economy, the prices are higher. 

I love the AJ Brown trade as well. I wanted him in the first round in 2019. To look at it, we gave up Carson straight up for AJ Brown if you compare the picks given. That is a big win for the team and Howie. 

A whole lot of crying over day 3 picks going on.

It's a very deep draft.  UDFAs this year would have been 6th/7th round picks last year.

 

Just looking at investment vs the Eagles offense/distribution.

2021 receptions:

Smith- 64 catches- Top 10 pick

Brown- 63 catches- 3rd highest paid WR

Watkins- 43 catches- 6th round

Goedert- 56 catches (Ertz had 18 while here)-  3rd highest paid TE

In that group, the Eagles have invested a total of 6 draft picks and a total of $180 million ($157 in Brown/Goedert alone) to pair with a QB who's strength is running the ball.  

Distribute Reagor's 33 catches and figure Ertz's catches go to Goedert.

2022 prediction?

Smith- 72 catches

Brown- 72 catches

Watkins- 51

Goedert- 80 catches

Is this realistic?  All of the pressure is on Hurts now.  He NEEDS to take his game to the next level.  

 

 

My thoughts on the trade and draft after sleeping on it.

I sure hope Lowie is right putting all of their chips on Hurts, or this could have a huge negative impact.

Eagles had 11 picks in a deep draft to fill multiple holes on offense and defense, giving Howie a margin for error.  After using 6 picks in acquiring Jordan Davis and AJ Brown, the margin for error is zero.  

Eagles still have needs at CB, DE, S, WR and P.  Also need to have Kelce and Lane's replacement pretty soon.  They now have 4 remaining picks to do that ( barring any trades to add additional picks )

If Hurts does not end up being the guy, and does not massively improve from last year, then you have to find a QB next year.  The Hawks and Lions who did not take a first round QB have two picks next year, and the Dolphins and Texans get to see their respective QB's for a year and can decide what to do next year with multiple first round picks.  You also end up in the same scenario that those picks are in the mid to late teens, and next year the cost to trade up for a QB will be at a premium.

The other impact of this not working out, if there is not enough targets, you have your #1 pick DeVonta Smith not happy about the lack of targets, and the guy you just traded for and gave a big contract to not happy about his lack of targets.  If they decide to move on from Hurts if it does not work, then you have the guy who you traded for and gave a huge deal to potentially disgruntled because you traded his buddy.  Eagles top 3 target last year had a combined 242 targets, that averages 80 targets each.  Are both Devonta and AJ Brown both going to be happy with less targets ??

 

 

I sure hope Hurts is the guy and takes a massive leap this year, otherwise this could blow up with unhappy WR's due to lack of targets, and on very unhappy next year if they have to move on from his buddy.

29 minutes ago, RLC said:

Let the the WRs go early and often.

yep. thats fine now. Push more defenders down.

Im curious if the reports about Dean and Bonitto are true. Love those players but its gonna be tough to see them pick anything other than a CB and S tonight. 

39 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Philly is going to love this kid. lol

very awesome. Ive never seen that done before. 

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Agreed.  We still have needs at CB, DE, S, LB and need a punter still.

With all the picks, Howie did not have to be perfect, now there is no room for error.  

You were never going to adequately solve those positions with the picks we gave up anyway. 
 

MAYBE one of them with the 3rd we gave up. Maybe. 

So Howie said Davis was too 10 on their board. Assuming he was 10th, who went ahead of pick Davis that was lower on the Eagles board?

Olave for sure. London? Williams?

8 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Also Eagles fans: "We don't have enough young high end talent, just a bunch of mediocre JAGs"

Howie gets 2 young high end talents

Eagles fans: "You gave away Day 3 picks!!! We needed more JAGs."

Howie actually has a better track record on day 3 than rounds 2 and 3.

1 minute ago, purplefiggy said:

You were never going to adequately solve those positions with the picks we gave up anyway. 
 

MAYBE one of them with the 3rd we gave up. Maybe. 

As I just posted, Howie probably has a better track record on day 3 than he has in rounds 2 or 3.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

yep. thats fine now. Push more defenders down.

Im curious if the reports about Dean and Bonitto are true. Love those players but its gonna be tough to see them pick anything other than a CB and S tonight. 

If Dean is there you take him.  BPA is what this team needs. LB is also a need, pretty much everything on Defense is along with WR and HB on offense. Dont reach for a DB if a much better talent is sitting in front of you. 

14 minutes ago, greend said:

You Fing guys take the fun out of everything

You must be new here

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

You were never going to adequately solve those positions with the picks we gave up anyway. 
 

MAYBE one of them with the 3rd we gave up. Maybe. 

Lb and OL could have certainly been fed with those. Te and wr too.

i like brown but i think it was a poor trade. Too many resources when you look at his cap impact too

 

 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I was in a bit of a haze and probably missed it. How’d you like Day 1?

I killed a bottle of full proof bourbon and passed out lol. Needed to sleep on it to decide what i think. I try to look at the draft as a whole. 
 

I expect trade backs tonight to try and recoup picks 

love the davis pick. Unicorn you have to take

brown far too costly. Like the player but a poor decision to me from an organizational perspective when we lack a passer

 

Still lots of quality player left ,,., and also a handful  who the consensus had as first rd picks  but teams felt different 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

My take aways....

I got my head ripped off suggesting Karlfatis and Booth Jr would slip into the 2nd. one went 30th, one still hasn't been drafted

I truly believe we tried to move up to get Jameson Williams got burnt, and made a panic pick with Jordan Davis

Getting a run stopper who isn't an every down player in a pass happy league is extremely depressing. 

The Jets had the best draft last night and it's not even close

The trade for Brown was already completed and the contract agreed upon prior to moving up from 15.  Williams was not the target, Davis was.  Whether you like the Davis pick or not, they did not get burnt.  Idiotic really to think that.  Can't announce a contract moments after the trade for Brown and think the Eagles negotiated the deal in the 30 minutes between the 13 and 18th picks.  Ridiculous premise.  

44 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

On the question of why re-sign cox at that number and then trade up for a DT, you have to unlink those moves. 
 

personally, I don’t like that they brought Cox back, but you don’t not draft Davis because you did something dumb with Cox. 
 

and they made the Cox move when getting Davis was a complete maybe, not a done deal. Far too expensive, but Cox was nothing more than one year insurance at a position they value but didn’t have a long term option for. 

I agree.  The issue was the Cox piece.  Bringing him back made no sense when it happened.  It looks even worse now.  Of course, I was against the signing of Hargrave at that time too, because it was also fairly redundant at DT and the Eagles needed edge help.  Now we have Cox, Hargrave, Davis and Williams... and still no real edge players to build around.

 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Lb and OL could have certainly been fed with those. Te and wr too.

i like brown but i think it was a poor trade. Too many resources when you look at his cap impact too

It is clear they prioritized significantly upgrading WR. so either it was going to be them packaging to move up from 18 (so 18+, or settling for whichever unknown fell to 18, vs adding a 3rd to the 18 to once and for all solve the WR issue for the next 4+ years. 
 

I’ll sacrifice the 3rd for that certainty at a position that has vexed us for how many years now???

as for cap impact, yeah, that stings a bit but your QB is going to be cheap for a few more years so I think it can still work.