8 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

This team with the talent at WR and the O line, we are only a competent passer away from being the best offense in the NFL.

Id say ONE of the best in the NFL. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What all the people praising Howie seem to forget is that Howie has to make half of these moves to fix problems he's created.  

Nope.  I haven't forgotten. 

14 minutes ago, Infam said:

4200 yard passing on top of running?

Damn that sounds a lot.

Thanks for some numbers though.

I'd like Hurts to run less, draw less contact.

Make his reads, step up in pocket, take what defense is giving.

If a team tries to stop the run, he needs to make the read and punish them for loading up the box.

Run when a defense is out of position. Easy first downs. Why not? 

Use his skills to scramble for more time behind the line of scrimmage to make throws downfield.

I don't expect 10 TDs running. Teams will adjust to him and defend against his running.

I'd like more passing TDs. Go from 16TDs to maybe 24 TDs. That would be great progress.

Anyone paying attention to whats happening in Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, the team and the WR's?

Hollywood Brown wanted out because of the "style" of offense (Lamar runs instead of passing the ball). Lamar got upset when Brown left, and yet he was the reason he left.

This is a blueprint of how both Smith and AJ Brown could become disgruntled with Hurts as QB1. Been saying this for over a year now with SMith. Neither will put up the numbers they are capable of, as long as Hurts is QB1, and he does not improve in the passing game. 

20 minutes ago, Infam said:

Yeah, sure.

How good would Hurts stats have to be for you to come here and admit you are completely wrong? Is that even possible with a hater like you? Serious question, I‘d love to remind you of it.

Would need to see him beat a few good teams By throwing the ball primarily 

22 minutes ago, Infam said:

How good would Hurts stats have to be for you to come here and admit you are completely wrong?

2020 Tannehill would be a start

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Would need to see him beat a few good teams By throwing the ball primarily 

He needs to score 20-28 points per game, TDs and field goals. Throwing more TDs would be good as 10 running TDs is probably not sustainable.

But to beat the other teams, the D needs to make the stops. Can Hurts play safety too? 

9 minutes ago, Infam said:

We obviously are not great drafting receiver or corner. But excellent drafting for the lines.

That said Brown, Smith and Watkins feels good, so here we are now.

I’d take Rosemans wheeling and dealing any day.

I just don't like it.

Even just the starters.  

2 1st round picks 2 3rd round picks and a 6th for 3 starters.  Plus that $100 million contract.

Steelers starters are 1 3rd round pick and 2 2nd round picks.

I'd wager when the season is over, as a collective group, the Steelers WR will out produce the Eagles. 

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Would need to see him beat a few good teams By throwing the ball primarily 

Dallas being one of those teams

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I understand that there's a lot of love for Howie for his wheeling and dealing to get picks and then to use some to acquire AJ Brown.

What all the people praising Howie seem to forget is that Howie has to make half of these moves to fix problems he's created.  

 

Who is forgetting?  He made some doozies.  Only afan and his clones are perpetually defending Howie.

My argument is that the mistakes were made when he was in "keep-the-window-open" mode. 

Now he is in pure team building, a process his appears to be much more comfortable with.

9 minutes ago, Infam said:

4200 yard passing on top of running?

Damn that sounds a lot.

Thanks for some numbers though.

Running stats don't indicate a QB's effectiveness at his job, but how effective he is at compensating for his weakness in the passing game.  Fact: Not a single HoF QB got there because of his running stats. 

1990: Cunningham passed for 3400+ yards (back when that was an accomplishment), he ran for an extra 942 yards.  30 passing TDs, 5 rushing TDs.  He finished 2nd in the league in MVP voting.

The result in the playoffs:  He was benched, the team lost and the HC was fired.

 

Funny thing... the NFL has changed, but it hasn't changed in that regard.  Success in the playoffs is what really matters.  Passing, not running, from the QB position is how teams win in the playoffs.  Unless Hurts can do that... everything else is irrelevant. 

18 minutes ago, Infam said:

We obviously are not great drafting receiver or corner. But excellent drafting for the lines.

That said Brown, Smith and Watkins feels good, so here we are now.

I’d take Rosemans wheeling and dealing any day.

Once upon a time, we could scout DBs.  I miss those days.

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Anyone paying attention to whats happening in Baltimore with Lamar Jackson, the team and the WR's?

Hollywood Brown wanted out because of the "style" of offense (Lamar runs instead of passing the ball). Lamar got upset when Brown left, and yet he was the reason he left.

This is a blueprint of how both Smith and AJ Brown could become disgruntled with Hurts as QB1. Been saying this for over a year now with SMith. Neither will put up the numbers they are capable of, as long as Hurts is QB1, and he does not improve in the passing game. 

AJ Brown is getting paid. He will want to get his numbers, but winning might keep him happy.

Smith is gonna want the ball. And, he will want to get paid when the time comes.

Not sure how we pay receivers all sorts of money. Things are getting crazy. Did the cap go up by $25 mil?

6 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

He needs to score 20-28 points per game, TDs and field goals. Throwing more TDs would be good as 10 running TDs is probably not sustainable.

But to beat the other teams, the D needs to make the stops. Can Hurts play safety too? 

No doubt the team works as a whole, but the offense can sustain drives and keep the d off the field, just as a d can get turnovers and provide short fields.

if you are going to be deflect from his poor play to the D you will have to discount Hurts play when the D plays well 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I am sure that some of the Howie mistakes can be put at the feat of Lurie.  Hence the name Lowie.  If the past two drafts are a signal that Lurie is less involved and Weidl is more involved, then it's a really good thing.  

I would hate to lose Weidl

54 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I agree with your first point, Hurts is going to have to be quite a bit worse than Wentz in 2020 to be replaced. Why do you think, if Strong's leg checks out, it would take 2+ years for him to be ready to be QB1?

I don’t think Strong will play any regular season games in 2022.  The Eagles will use this season to get him physically healed up, a year of strength and conditioning and learn the system.  He may play in the preseason and get reps, but other than that it will be scout team work.  

If the team moves on from Hurts going into 2023 it’s a lot to ask Strong simply to take over as starting QB for 2023.  I think it much more likely they draft a QB with a top-10 pick.  If that pick shows in training camp that he’s not ready to run the offense Week 1, then it’s possible Strong could start the season.

28 minutes ago, Infam said:

4200 yard passing on top of running?

Damn that sounds a lot.

Thanks for some numbers though.

If he is progressing the way some on the board think he will, he should run less than 500 this season because with these weapons, he shouldn't need to run nearly as much 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Funny thing... the NFL has changed, but it hasn't changed in that regard.  Success in the playoffs is what really matters.  Passing, not running, from the QB position is how teams win in the playoffs.  Unless Hurts can do that... everything else is irrelevant. 

Don’t care for ancient history.

The thing that matters is: Can you do both? Because if you can, the other team is in trouble.

 

4 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

AJ Brown is getting paid. He will want to get his numbers, but winning might keep him happy.

Smith is gonna want the ball. And, he will want to get paid when the time comes.

Not sure how we pay receivers all sorts of money. Things are getting crazy. Did the cap go up by $25 mil?

It’s about to. And that’s when WR and QB contracts will really explode and deals like this will feel.. cheap.

4 minutes ago, Infam said:

Don’t care for ancient history.

The thing that matters is: Can you do both? Because if you can, the other team is in trouble.

 

Super bowl titles indicate otherwise

Honestly I wouldn't fixate on the cap or resources. Every team seems to work those things out. You either have good players and good coaches or you don't.

40 minutes ago, Infam said:

Yeah, sure.

How good would Hurts stats have to be for you to come here and admit you are completely wrong? Is that even possible with a hater like you? Serious question, I‘d love to remind you of it.

Its not about stats, its about looking like an NFL QB and not a RB who is filling in for a QB.  

Who gives a F about his Dak Prescott garbage time stats?  Go beat a good team, be the reason we win and not just be along for the ride.

Throw a pass to both sides of the field, throw the ball down the field and keep it within 5 yards of the target

Make it to his 2nd and 3rs read consistently before running in circles in the pocket....

All you Hurts fanboys have no excuses now because even an average QB could succeed with what weve got.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Honestly I wouldn't fixate on the cap or resources. Every team seems to work those things out. You either have good players and good coaches or you don't.

Either you have the horses or you don’t.

There were 10 QBs last season who threw for more than 4,000 yards.  If Hurts is to be top 12 that would mean 3,800 yards as a target.  Last season he was 11.86 yards per completion, so 320 completions.  At 65% that’s 492 passes.

Hurts running at a ratio of 18% of pass attempts would be 89 rushing attempts for the season.  A 5.5 yard per carry would put him at 490 yards rushing.

3,800 passing yards and 490 rushing yards.  Checks out 😀

40 minutes ago, Godfather said:

That's a bad argument. There's been qbs that haven't played in the Power 5 conference that have done pretty well as a pro

Hurts won't pass 3400

If he plays all 17, it's an effort not to