I see the MMQB article comparing Rams & Eagles approaches.  This goes back to my last point. People try to talk formulas too much for winning.  There is no one size fits all formula. Making good moves & getting good players is the formula for winning. That and having Tom Brady as QB. 

16 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Who is forgetting?  He made some doozies.  Only afan and his clones are perpetually defending Howie.

My argument is that the mistakes were made when he was in "keep-the-window-open" mode. 

Now he is in pure team building, a process his appears to be much more comfortable with.

I'm talking more media than the guys in here.  Just look at this from Ed Kracz.  What a horrible take.  I don't care about national attention.  Then there's the quote from Howie saying if they are the same as everyone else, they will be middle of the pack.  Guess what the Eagles are?  Middle of the pack.  Reeks of Howie's smartest man in the room mentality. 

 

Aggression. Eagles fans sometimes don’t realize how lucky they are to have Roseman.

Who is as aggressive as him? Who draws the type of national media that were on hand for the first night of the draft, including NFL veteran scribe Peter King, than Roseman?

They all showed up with the expectation that the Eagles would do something, and sure enough, Roseman did, engineering the Brown blockbuster.

"Coach and I talk about this all the time, if we're going to be the same as everyone else, we're probably going to finish in the middle of the pack,” Roseman said during his pre-draft availability. "Sometimes you have to take risks and you have to stand out there and do something different than everyone else."

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

All you Hurts fanboys have no excuses now because even an average QB could succeed with what weve got.

So no matter how good his stats are, you’ll be the first to say he didn’t pass your eye test and all his success is despite of him. Got it.

And I’m not making any excuses. For me, making playoffs is a must. And I expect some playoff wins too.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There were 10 QBs last season who threw for more than 4,000 yards.  If Hurts is to be top 12 that would mean 3,800 yards as a target.  Last season he was 11.86 yards per completion, so 320 completions.  At 65% that’s 492 passes.

Hurts running at a ratio of 18% of pass attempts would be 89 rushing attempts for the season.  A 5.5 yard per carry would put him at 490 yards rushing.

3,800 passing yards and 490 rushing yards.  Checks out 😀

Running one out of every 4.5 drop backs is more of the same failure

20 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Who is forgetting?  He made some doozies.  Only afan and his clones are perpetually defending Howie.

My argument is that the mistakes were made when he was in "keep-the-window-open" mode. 

Now he is in pure team building, a process his appears to be much more comfortable with.

Hopefully we get to find out what the 'new and improved' Howie model will be for keeping the window open.

14 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What Strong really thought was "now there’s a fan base that appreciates white competent QBs”

 

Not sure I agree that Howie is getting too much praise.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/02/nfl-draft-howie-roseman-eagles-daily-cover

 

19 minutes ago, Infam said:

Don’t care for ancient history.

The thing that matters is: Can you do both? Because if you can, the other team is in trouble.

 

Oh? Can you point to current history that supports run first QBs have success? 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Carson Strong has a Jay Cutler vibe to him.  And not just skillset.  

What happened to your Moses avatar?

How many "running QBs' have been starters? I don't mean a guy who can scramble, but someone who's a legitimate threat to take off at any time.

Right now there's Jackson, Hurts, Allen (763 yards), Murray, who else? Before the last couple years, running QBs were rare.

In the past, there's usually only been 1 or 2 in the league at one time. Given Brady dominates the SB, there's limited opportunities for other passing QBs, much less "running QBs."

QB rushing leaders

Vick 6,109

Newton 5,628

Cunningham 4,928

Wilson 4,689

Young 4,239

Because there are so few running QBs (as opposed to backups who can run but can't pass well enough to start), defenses aren't really prepared to stop them. The key is to find the balance between passing and running where you use the threat to run to freeze the defense, then take advantage of that to boost your passing game.

Hurts can impact defenses four ways,

1) the threat to run, especially the RPO or option, freezes the DE on run plays, helping the run game. DEs crashing down the LOS can make a lot of TFLs.

2) the threat to scramble/roll out causes teams to mush rush and/or use a spy.

3) the ability to buy time when protection breaks down, but this requires WRs who know how to run a scramble drill

4) running the ball on pass plays, whether QB draws or seeing open lanes against man defenses (open space) and picking up easy 1st downs

Running can't substitute for passing, rather, they're complementary. Hurts has to up his passing game, but he doesn't have to be elite, b/c his running adds significant value, if he's a top ten passer, he's a top five QB. Hitting those throws down the seam keeps the defense from crowding the LOS, running forces the defense to play it safe.

23 minutes ago, Infam said:

Don’t care for ancient history.

The thing that matters is: Can you do both? Because if you can, the other team is in trouble.

 

Please point to a recent playoff run that backs up this claim

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh? Can you point to current history that supports run first QBs have success? 

I’m saying if your QB can run and throw that’s obviously better than just throw.

Hurts is a big time playmaker with his legs. If he improves as a passer (and I don’t think he’s as bad as some here will want to make you believe he is) we’ll be fine.

 

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The real question is how many games will Hurts miss this upcoming season?  Because running QB's always get hurt.  It seems that we as Eagle fans, shouldn't need to be reminded of that.  But some need to be.  

 

My guess is at least 2.  

QBs get hurt, period. Peyton and Brady are the exception, not the rule. The worst hits on QBs tend to be blind side hits in the pocket.

Like Allen, Hurts is built more like a RB, I'd be more worried with Murray or Lamar running the ball.

 

14 hours ago, McMVP said:

One good safety isn’t going to prevent them from possibly being a bottom 10 team

It will mainly come down to whether or not Winston has learned which color jersey to throw to

Pre snap:  look at own jersey's color.

Post snap: look for that same color jersey.

That seems insultingly simplistic but it seems to be something he has had problems with in the past.

Just now, ManuManu said:

And there it is. Damn.

Hope we find help for the secondary somewhere..

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  I haven't forgotten. 

I haven’t either…he’s to blame for creating the problems he now has to fix.  

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Doesn't help our 2023 pick.  

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Noteworthy and could be huge.  

The Eagles actually had a collective come-to-Jesus moment about Davis in a draft meeting earlier in the month, when college scouting director Alan Wolking presented a report on the All-American and gave context to the criticism of Davis, that he was only a part-time player at Georgia. Wolking’s information showed that was actually related more to a program-management thing. Davis would get pulled early in lopsided Bulldog wins—and there were a lot of those—so Kirby Smart could get younger blue-chip recruits into games.

Smart, Wolking said, had to do it to keep his future stars from transferring. And, Wolking continued, a closer look would show in the big games, against high-level competition, Davis was actually very much a full-time player. Which, in turn, made it easier for the Eagles to go forward with the vision of Davis pushing the pocket next to Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave, taking space away from quarterbacks trying to step up to avoid the rush.

 

For now, the stockpiling of picks seems to be working. At last check, Wentz and the sixth pick from 2021 have been flipped into: Smith, Davis, a third-round pick used as a sweetener in the deal for Brown, a first-round pick next year and a second-rounder the year after that.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

GD are you delusional.  Running QB's get hurt.....a lot.  

 

Randall

Vick

McNabb

QBs get hurt, period. The plays when running QBs get hurt, how many are them running, how many are in the pocket?

The key when running is to go down (rule changes), and not to run high (which gets RBs killed as well).

McNabb was pretty durable until 2005, missed 6 games in 2002, otherwise played every other game over a 5 year period. He was injured in the pocket:

"On the third play of the game Arizona Cardinal's safety Adrian Wilson sacked McNabb. McNabb got up slowly, holding his right leg. He was taken to the locker room and got his ankle wrapped up. They thought it was a sprained ankle, but afterwards they found out it was broken."

Vick's first 5 years as a starting QB, he was injured once. Otherwise missed 3 starts in 4 years. He was injured in an exhibition game:  "The injury occurred late in the first quarter of a game at the Georgia Dome, when Vick was tackled by Adalius Thomas after being chased out of the pocket on third down. Vick fell awkwardly on his right leg, grabbing it even before he hit the ground."

13 hours ago, Utebird said:

Why not option 3?

To my knowledge I can't remember a QB with Carson strongs arm talent and college production going undrafted.

Dude had over 4000 yards last year at a 70% passing clip and passed for over 70% before as well 

He didn't go undrafted because he lacks the skills to play QB in the NFL he went undrafted simply because of Injury concerns.

If his knee heals he has the pure arm talent to be a starting QB in the league if the knee doesn't get better or gets worse he'll probably be seeing insurance in a year or two.

This isn't your run of the mill undrafted QB, he's a guy who had a 2nd-5th round grade like many of the other qbs in this draft but dropped because of a questionable knee, thats it.

Get over the fact that he was undrafted and  instead treat him as a 5th rounder.

 

 

Why not option 3?  Because this isn't a team that is years away from contending, in need of an entire tear down and rebuild and doesn't have any assets to make a move for a top prospect QB if need be.  They are nowhere near the position of being so desperate that they would turn to an undrafted QB with a paper mache knee. The knee is a career long concern.  He apparently completely bombed his team interviews as well and didn't come off as very knowledgeable. If the Eagles move on from Hurts after this year it will be with a top prospect QB in mind that they target and move up for in the draft. 

 

I'm loving this by the way because I won't ever let this down in the future when this kid is eventually cut or spends his entire time here at the bottom of the depth chart.  There is 0.0 chance the Eagles would ever decide to go with Strong as their starting QB.  The fact that a high number of people in this thread are so over the top delusional to actually believe that is possible is rolling on the floor hilarious. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Russel Wilson....anyone else? 

NO

Josh Allen?  3rd in QB rushing last season.

25 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Running one out of every 4.5 drop backs is more of the same failure

Sadly, 18% would be a big improvement as Hurts was around 32% before his ankle injury.

Gotta walk before he doesn’t run

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hopefully we get to find out what the 'new and improved' Howie model will be for keeping the window open.

I’m just happy we get good players. Was bracing for a draft like the Cowboys had:

Decent depth on day three and headscratchers and reaches before that.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  I saw all of that.  

 

 

The motor concern with Davis could be something I'll gladly admit I was wrong about.  I really like the guy's attitude and personality.  He might be my favorite player on the team right now.  And he hasn't played a down.  

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39 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think Strong will play any regular season games in 2022.  The Eagles will use this season to get him physically healed up, a year of strength and conditioning and learn the system.  He may play in the preseason and get reps, but other than that it will be scout team work.  

If the team moves on from Hurts going into 2023 it’s a lot to ask Strong simply to take over as starting QB for 2023.  I think it much more likely they draft a QB with a top-10 pick.  If that pick shows in training camp that he’s not ready to run the offense Week 1, then it’s possible Strong could start the season.

I still believe most likely outcome and goal for acquiring Strong is to flip him for a decent pick.  Classic buy low sell high strategy.  It would be a hell of a story if it became more than that