11 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Eagles perspective, definitely. He will transform the defense, just as Vea did for the Bucs.

The biggest question about Davis is whether he can rush the passer or not. No one knows because he wasn't asked to do it in college very much.

I think his floor is Vea. But from an athletic standpoint, he should be a double-digit sack guy if he is asked to rush the passer. And if he can do that, he should have been picked first overall.

I've noticed a few posters spelling Pascal (our WR) as Paschal. Is there a joke I'm missing out on here? Or is it just another player we like to misspell? 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I've noticed a few posters spelling Pascal (our WR) as Paschal. Is there a joke I'm missing out on here? Or is it just another player we like to misspell? 

Nah I just misspelled

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The biggest question about Davis is whether he can rush the passer or not. No one knows because he wasn't asked to do it in college very much.

I think his floor is Vea. But from an athletic standpoint, he should be a double-digit sack guy if he is asked to rush the passer. And if he can do that, he should have been picked first overall.

If you have watched his highlights, he gets into the backfield quickly quite a bit.  He can rush the passer just fine.

2 hours ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

Honey Badger headed to New Orleans. Harris and Epps are our starters.

I think it is an open competition.  

7 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

What are some other names we could possibly trade for a Safety?  We know Chuck Clark but would any of these guys be available and which would fit our system best?

Andre Cisco 
Budda Baker (probably not but maybe if that's the only way they can afford Kyler)
Khari Willis
Juan Thornhill
James Braderry (odds are he is released but do you think we could convert him to Safety as he's starting to lose a step)
Ashtyn Davis 

I'd go Clark or Cisco

After the weekend, and discussing Hurts all over the board, a question for you guys.

Why is it so important for the Hurts crowd that you agree with them ???

Why is an opinion of Hurts contrary to theirs such an assault for them ???

This is a discussion board, and to have a discussion people have to have different opinions.

I honestly believe I could say something negative about a family member and get less of a response than saying something negative about Hurts.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

After the weekend, and discussing Hurts all over the board, a question for you guys.

Why is it so important for the Hurts crowd that you agree with them ???

Why is an opinion of Hurts contrary to theirs such an assault for them ???

This is a discussion board, and to have a discussion people have to have different opinions.

I honestly believe I could say something negative about a family member and get less of a response than saying something negative about Hurts.

Just how the world is today. If you don’t agree you’re wrong and a terrible person. The world has grown soft.

Can't believe Howie let Honey Badger go to the Saints. What the F, dude.

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

The team had 4 picks in the top 100 and came away with 4 talented players.  The problem I have with the picks is aside from Dean, they are not necessarily starters.  Davis is a monster and I like the pick but I think the team could use Hamilton more.  You can argue that the value of a safety doesn't merit a first round pick but the team needs foundational players.  I will say that d-line depth is an issue and the team now has 2 young players in Williams and Davis that can be long-term anchors on the front.  Jurgens value depends on him having some positional versatility next season.  Ultimately, if he turns into an all-pro center then he was worth the pick but I am not sure there was value for the team.  I mean it seems like there are prospects every year who fit his mold or would be above average replacements at the position. Again, what was unaddressed was the secondary which remains an issue.  The trade for AJ Brown does address a need but it's a need that Howie is responsible for creating by drafting poorly.  The question remains at the secondary and the team lacks good prospects in the secondary. 

They could have added more talent by staying put and drafting Hamilton.  Maybe they could have traded up to draft Ojabo or maybe he would have fallen to them at 51. There certainly were CBs that they could have drafted in the 4th and 5th round for the picks they traded for Davis.  I think they likely viewed the talent as pretty mixed below the top 100 and that UDFAs that they expected to be available were going to be of equal potential.  

I disagree. Hamilton is not a player that you have to scheme for, Davis is.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

After the weekend, and discussing Hurts all over the board, a question for you guys.

Why is it so important for the Hurts crowd that you agree with them ???

Why is an opinion of Hurts contrary to theirs such an assault for them ???

This is a discussion board, and to have a discussion people have to have different opinions.

I honestly believe I could say something negative about a family member and get less of a response than saying something negative about Hurts.

I wouldn't say its Hurts. The same responses for Foles, Wentz, etc. between sides. It's this mode of communication. The world cluster F@#* of stating opinion as fact so that at some point in the future you get the "see I told you so and I am smarter than you" moment that is almost nonexistent in the rest of our lives and interactions with others. That is, without those in our face to face lives constantly saying to us "Shut up you incessant know-it-all"

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hamilton, Hutchinson and Sauce would be my top 3.

I think Jordan Davis could get a vote before Dean.

I think early on Davis' contribution early in his career will be of the less sexy variety.  Eg elite run stuffer and eating up blocks/anchoring the line letting other players make plays. Which is hugely important but also not the type of contribution that usually gets probowl/ROY buzz unfortunately. Even Vea didn't get the recognition he deserves when it comes to awards early in his career. 

Now long term I have high hopes for Davis as a force multiplier for our defense. And if he develops better pass rushing skills? Hoo boy...

Just now, DEagle7 said:

I think early on Davis' contribution early in his career will be of the less sexy variety.  Eg elite run stuffer and eating up blocks/anchoring the line letting other players make plays. Which is hugely important but also not the type of contribution that usually gets probowl/ROY buzz unfortunately. Even Vea didn't get the recognition he deserves when it comes to awards early in his career. 

Now long term I have high hopes for Davis as a force multiplier for our defense. And if he develops better pass rushing skills? Hoo boy...

Will Davis get as many snaps as Hargrave and Cox? Like an equal rotation? Also have to consider Milton unless they use him more as an end.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Can't believe Howie let Honey Badger go to the Saints. What the F, dude.

I know we were talking about having just enough money to sign Honey Badger before draft but then traded for AJ Brown and gave him $100 million deal.  Who can we afford is the real question

Just now, garingovt2000 said:

I know we were talking about having just enough money to sign Honey Badger before draft but then traded for AJ Brown and gave him $100 million deal.  Who can we afford is the real question

Brown only costs the Eagles $4m this year.

4 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

I wouldn't say its Hurts. The same responses for Foles, Wentz, etc. between sides. It's this mode of communication. The world cluster F@#* of stating opinion as fact so that at some point in the future you get the "see I told you so and I am smarter than you" moment that is almost nonexistent in the rest of our lives and interactions with others. That is, without those in our face to face lives constantly saying to us "Shut up you incessant know-it-all"

I've never cared whether someone likes a player on the team as much as fans of Hurts are with him. I'm in a facebook group that will call you a fake fan or a Wentz fanboy if you criticize Hurts. They'll say go be a fan of some other team. It's pretty hostile lol

4 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Also have to consider Milton unless they use him more as an end.

Sure hope they don't. I'm as excited to watch Davis and Milton grow together as I am Mailata and Dickerson. Guys are absolute freaks.

31 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Hamilton IMO. Kid is a stud.

Image having him plus Marcus Williams. Ridiculous. We don't even have one remotely close to either of those guys. 

5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I know we were talking about having just enough money to sign Honey Badger before draft but then traded for AJ Brown and gave him $100 million deal.  Who can we afford is the real question

None of Browns extension applies this year.  He has a 3.9 cap hit this year.  Eagles have 12.5 in space currently.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I've never cared whether someone likes a player on the team as much as fans of Hurts are with him. I'm in a facebook group that will call you a fake fan or a Wentz fanboy if you criticize Hurts. They'll say go be a fan of some other team. It's pretty hostile lol

Who knows why some people get so emotionally invested.  I think all fans would like to see Hurts succeed. Objectively, however, to date, he has shown his game to be flawed in some big ways (1) doesn't read a defense well or make good pre-snap adjustments, (2) doesn't go through his progressions well, (3) doesn't process quickly to get the ball to his first option, (4) doesn't have great pocket awareness, (5) reacts and runs too much, and (6) isn't a very accurate passer. On the other hand, (1) seems to have great leadership presence, (2) is humble and liked by teammates, (3) is a very good running QB, and (4) has had to deal with a lot of adversity in his career.

I don't know why 1-6 trigger people so much. It's what he has objectively shown and I think we all hope he improves in each of these areas, right? That said, some of those issues fall into the "writing on the wall" category.

41 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Who do you think will win, out of curiosity? 

Davion Taylor

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Josh Allen?  3rd in QB rushing last season.

This is just about the worst take that anyone can have.

54 minutes ago, justrelax said:

This will sound whacky but I am sincere: If I had had the #1 pick in this draft, I would have chosen Davis.

Would depend on inside information on his character and work ethic - the big talented DTs have to be dedicated to conditioning and have high motors, Haynesworth, Corey Simon, etc., flashed early then flatlined. It's too easy for these guys to get fat and sloppy if they lack internal drive.

Though I felt much better after the Georgia coach pointed out his lack of snaps weren't to rest him but to placate their younger blue chip players.

7 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Who knows why some people get so emotionally invested.  I think all fans would like to see Hurts succeed. Objectively, however, to date, he has shown his game to be flawed in some big ways (1) doesn't read a defense well or make good pre-snap adjustments, (2) doesn't go through his progressions well, (3) doesn't process quickly to get the ball to his first option, (4) doesn't have great pocket awareness, (5) reacts and runs too much, and (6) isn't a very accurate passer. On the other hand, (1) seems to have great leadership presence, (2) is humble and liked by teammates, (3) is a very good running QB, and (4) has had to deal with a lot of adversity in his career.

I don't know why 1-6 trigger people so much. It's what he has objectively shown and I think we all hope he improves in each of these areas, right? That said, some of those issues fall into the "writing on the wall" category.

It's that people are so adamant about their opinions - we'll see this fall - the reason people take extreme opinions is they have a need for ITYS posts (and will develop amnesia if it turns out they're wrong).

There's posters who want to discuss, and posters who just like to shout their opinions.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Steve Young is in the top 5 all time in running yardage for a QB, and he sat on the bench behind Montana for four years. Only started 8 seasons. So is he a "running QB?"McNabb got to the SB, Vick to the championship, Allen to the SB. Wiilson won and lost a SB (lost one by passing instead of running!).

Given the small number of running QBs, that's a pretty good showing.

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Being able to run, and being primarily a runner are two very different things.  Josh Allen went to the Super Bowl?   Nah.  Josh Allen is a running QB?  Nah.  He's likely in the top 2 or 3 of arm talent in the entire league... oh, and he can run.  Wilson's arm is light years ahead of Hurts.  BTW, they lost that Super Bowl because they didn't let the RB run the ball, not the QB.

Steve Young?  Really?   You remember that when he got to SF he was basically stripped down to the studs and rebuilt as a QB, don't you?  You remember that Young was the first QB in the NFL with back to back 100+ QB rating, AND... he led the league in QB rating a bunch of times.  He was a passer by the time he got to the Super Bowl... who still had some running ability left, though by that time, he didn't do it nearly as much.

McNabb was always limited as a QB, because he wasn't very good in the pocket.  That's why they struggled in the championship games year after year... 3 INTs in each loss, IIRC.  And McNabb fought tooth and nail against the moniker of being a running QB, or don't you recall that either?  His best season (2004) was the one that he had a stud WR and he was able to make more plays in the pocket, while still having the ability (but not the need) to run.  Vick was a freak, but even he had arm talent far exceeding Hurts.  But, Vick at least fits the script a little.  

 

You are continually to conflate a QB that HAS TO RUN, versus a QB that CAN RUN.  Allen can.  Young could, though after he was in SF he didn't have to in order to succeed.