5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If anyone hasnt seen this one yet, here is Ridder against Georgia in the Peach Bowl

 

If they draft anyone from Cincy, I really hope it is Alec Pierce. I think he is going to be a really good WR in the NFL and should be available in the 3rd.

18 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I don’t think scheme is an issue here for JD99 - we need a NT for our 3DL fronts and he can be 1T in our 4-3 looks. The issue is snaps, and do you use a 1st on a niche player. If you get Vita Vea - maybe, as it makes life for your LBs much better and situationally stopping the run can be very important.

He’s a 2 down DT in our system at best. Just don’t think that’s worth a first. There are DT’s later I like much more for the 4i. 

Seems like a lot of people are calling this that the best weekend of playoff football that we have seen but I think the divisional round for the 2003 season is right up there. 

 

You had 4th and 26 and then also the double OT game between the Panthers and greatest show on turf Rams where Steve Smith won it on like a 70 yard TD catch.  The AFC games were close too that weekend but not as memorable as those two NFC games. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

That Josh Allen video after year 2 would be the same BTW. Not a defense of Hurts either. QBs improve. We'll see.

Except for the ridiculous difference in their right arms.  Nothing even remotely the same there.

Teams that win without superior QB play are incredibly far and few between.  Cap be damned.  The question really is "Can we get superior QB play from Hurts?" or not.  I'd say "NO".

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jalen Hurts will never be as good as Josh Allen. That's not the question. The question is whether Jalen Hurts + 38M in cap space can be as good as Josh Allen's 40M cap hit. I'd obviously rather have Allen, but if Hurts can improve than it's a worthwhile discussion.

This was the last year of Allen's rookie deal. He's about to get expensive and will lose core pieces around him. How does he react to losing OL? His WR4 is Emmanuel Sanders. He'll have to elevate.

Improve to what level? Has hurts improved from last year? Possibly, but if he has it is such an insignificant amount. Can he improve next year? Sure, but he was not good this year and the Eagles needs to see a huge improvement, not little incremental improvement every year.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

If they draft anyone from Cincy, I really hope it is Alec Pierce. I think he is going to be a really good WR in the NFL and should be available in the 3rd.

I grab Pierce in the 3rd in almost every mock I do. Especially if I grab Ridder earlier. That familiarity can do wonders for a young QB or WR or both. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Except for the ridiculous difference in their right arms.  Nothing even remotely the same there.

I agree.

But Allen couldn't "read a defense" either. He was turnover prone. Then he got better.  Allen was a "bust" after 2 seasons.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was.  Bills stop the Chiefs on any of the last 3 drives... they win.  

Easier said than done. Buffalo was the #1 ranked defense and got absolutely shredded. So for those who want to rebuild the defense with three first round picks, that sounds like the correct move in theory but that will only get you so far. This is the modern day NFL. The rules allow for explosive, productive offenses and the defense is already at a disadvantage before the game even kicks off. Defense is obviously important and you can't be bottom of the barrel from a skill perspective, but if you can't compete in shootouts, you're not going deep. And what this really comes down to is that if you don't have great to elite quarterback play, you're in trouble for the next ten years with guys like Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Burrow entering or in their primes. The good news for the Eagles is that those are all AFC quarterbacks, but I'd expect that to be the trend moving forward as teams prioritize trying to find their franchise quarterbacks. 

I was on board for using the draft capital on the defense, but after watching this weekend's set of games it feels like these elite teams are playing a different sport offensively than the Eagles. And the common factor is elite quarterback play outside of San Francisco. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

I grab Pierce in the 3rd in almost every mock I do. Especially if I grab Ridder earlier. That familiarity can do wonders for a young QB or WR or both. 

I am very bullish on Pierce. I really believe he will end up being one of the better WRs to come out of this draft. He has a big frame, catches everything and does all the little things well.

For the "Hurts will improve" crowd, do you ever ask yourself why he has only had incremental improvement over the past SIX years?  I don't buy for a second that his college and NFL coaches never tried to make major changes to his deficiencies every season.  The only hope he has is if a team builds a whole system around him running and rarely passing.  

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

I agree.

But Allen couldn't "read a defense" either. He was turnover prone. Then he got better.  Allen was a "bust" after 2 seasons.

That may be the biggest thing that drives me nuts about Hurts…between the ears. I kept hearing about his football IQ…I don’t see it. 

3 hours ago, greend said:

I thought he was, but his time here was done. And let's not kid ourselves, P.M. is a big, big, part of them 

I was cynically referring to the years that he was winning, and there was still a sentiment that he wasn't good enough.

Agreed.  After 2008, desperation set in and there were several bad decisions. It was time for Andy to move on.

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

He’s a 2 down DT in our system at best. Just don’t think that’s worth a first. There are DT’s later I like much more for the 4i. 

Alright - but if we want to play base nickel with a 2-high safety shell having a NT is an asset as we are inviting teams to run against us.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

That may be the biggest thing that drives me nuts about Hurts…between the ears. I kept hearing about his football IQ…I don’t see it. 

Did you see the Twitter post with the Tampa coaches straight out saying he can't read defenses?  His performance was very telling that they knew exactly how to confuse him

Video of the Bucs Saying Jalen Hurts "Can't Read" Defenses is Not the Most Inspiring Thing Going into the Weekend - Crossing Broad

 

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

For the "Hurts will improve" crowd, do you ever ask yourself why he has only had incremental improvement over the past SIX years?  I don't buy for a second that his college and NFL coaches never tried to make major changes to his deficiencies every season.  The only hope he has is if a team builds a whole system around him running and rarely passing.  

How do you tell someone that is convinced they know football that they really don’t know football?

YOU can’t tell that Hurts has not improved by leaps and bounds. That doesn’t mean that Hurts hasn’t improved by leaps and bounds.

The real question remains how far he can go - not how far he has come. 

5 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I am very bullish on Pierce. I really believe he will end up being one of the better WRs to come out of this draft. He has a big frame, catches everything and does all the little things well.

Has potential for sure. Feels a little to me like Kupp coming out. 

8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Improve to what level? Has hurts improved from last year? Possibly, but if he has it is such an insignificant amount. Can he improve next year? Sure, but he was not good this year and the Eagles needs to see a huge improvement, not little incremental improvement every year.

I had to take off my shoes to count the throws I saw this weekend that I knew Hurts couldn't have made.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

people on here will claim that the Coaches for Tampa are "just haters" and dont know what theyre talking about

I'll take the over. 

I think there was 20+ throws just on Sunday that Hurts couldnt make let alone what we saw on Saturday

There were 20+ throws in the game last night...and a whole bunch of them in the 4th quarter.

10 hours ago, eagle45 said:

There are some weird forces in play that want to force Hurts into prominence in this league.  

Nothing "weird" about it. Just turn on the TV or go online...or talk to a 14 year old.

Just now, Westbrook#36 said:

Nothing "weird" about it. Just turn on the TV or go online...or talk to a 14 year old.

Does RTK count?

1 minute ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Nothing "weird" about it. Just turn on the TV or go online...or talk to a 14 year old.

I must be missing something, please explain, I too am curious as to why this guy gets the positive push despite obviously lacking the ability? 

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

If anyone is wondering if Hurts is good enough

 

I like this "Is Jalen Hurts good enough?” video. Better analysis.

 

1 minute ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Nothing "weird" about it. Just turn on the TV or go online...or talk to a 14 year old.

Yes, but "why” is the question…

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

I agree.

But Allen couldn't "read a defense" either. He was turnover prone. Then he got better.  Allen was a "bust" after 2 seasons.

No, he wasn't.  He was raw coming out of college, and remained raw for 2 years.   He was also a top 10 pick for a reason.  Hurts was skipped over by every NFL team for a reason as well.