8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Obviously...

 

I was so drunk during that game...and I was tearing up with 5 mins left because of my folks.  I don't remember feeling stressed. For whatever odd reason.  

Lucky enough to be at the game and still haven't re watched the game yet. I actually might soon 

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Though the least likely scenario…can you imagine a Niners-Bengals SB rematch? Lmao

 That’s double revenge for the Bengals. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

really - are we that fragile of a society we have to PUSH  black athletes who cant play?  

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jalen Hurts will never be as good as Josh Allen. That's not the question. The question is whether Jalen Hurts + 38M in cap space can be as good as Josh Allen's 40M cap hit. I'd obviously rather have Allen, but if Hurts can improve than it's a worthwhile discussion.

This was the last year of Allen's rookie deal. He's about to get expensive and will lose core pieces around him. How does he react to losing OL? His WR4 is Emmanuel Sanders. He'll have to elevate.

No! Good grief no! Hurts can improve from here to Christmas and he won't even be close.

Just now, downundermike said:

The #1 and #5 scoring defense both lost yesterday.  Both of those teams also have elite QB's.  Imagine how bad the losses would have been with a Jalen Hurts type QB under center.  An elite defense with a game manager is not a recipe for continued success, the NFL is an offensive league, and you need a high powered offense with an elite QB to win.  

In the last two weekends, the #1, #2, #5, #6 and  #7 scoring defenses have been eliminated.  

Agreed, in the modern NFL you put your eggs in the offensive basket and don't look back.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

WRONG!!!!!!  

 

And don't even try to make a correlation to Hurts.  It's embarassing....just stop.  

I mean - the OP’s interpretation of those years may be wrong (not sure) but the stats back him up. 

10 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Though the least likely scenario…can you imagine a Niners-Bengals SB rematch? Lmao

Being able to watch both Deebo Samuel and J'Marr Chase would be one fun game though. 

21 minutes ago, RLC said:

Trubisky was a toolsy prospect too. Bust. Paxton Lynch was a toolsy prospect. Bust. Both Winston/Mariota had the measurables/arms and didn't pan out.

There's no guarantee a QB improves.

So what's your point? You're the one trying to say Hurts will improve to "good enough".

55 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

2 different games in the videos. Part 1 is more like a highlight video.

I think part 2 has a sack, and shows him drifting left a few times when he should be sliding up.

Overall though, yeah. Its very positive- anticipation, and accuracy. 

If anyone is wondering if Hurts is good enough

 

Some good stuff with his athleticism and throws on the move. You can tell Hurts is second guessing on some of these plays instead of just slinging it.  To get better he has to work on his footwork in the pocket, anticipation and just have a little more confidence.  Yeah, he doesn't have the biggest arm but, combined with his movement talent, I think it is good enough if he really works on those things.  Fortunately, those are skills that can be learned.  

19 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

The decision not to squib and then the defenses called are what lost that game for Buffalo, hands down. 

yup

17 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not a good look when reporters F it up like this.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I mean...

 

Most QB's struggle in their first few seasons.  But you see raw skill.  And Allen had raw skill.   Hurts doesn't.  I mean.  

I’m no scout but every QB coming into this league has raw skills. Some grow and others don’t. Whether or not you can accurately ascertain which raw skill matter is another question.

Also, this discourse about Josh Allen’s raw skills - I don’t think it’s his arm strength that makes him special. He’s a big, accurate QB with very good mobility that has a great offense built around him. He also seems to be highly intelligent and driven.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Duh.....REALLY?    

 

You think Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes are available every year?  We still need a ton of help on defense.  You don't just blow that kind of draft capital on one of these QB's that you have never heard of before this year, because Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen did what they did yesterday.  Once again....they are the exception, not the rule.  

 

If you don't think we need defensive difference makers, just remember what Derek Carr and others did to us this year.  And what QB would we have gotten or can get will fix that?  

 

Stay the course....get better next year and try to get the Qb in the 2023 draft.  Or maybe get Strong or Ridder in the 2nd.  

Who the F said anything about drafting a quarterback?  If I can trade a couple of picks and get a good one I'm doing it, to hell with "defense". Also there is no guarantee that any defender that Howie or any of us pick is going to pan out either.

It's a bit simplistic to say go get an elite QB and everything will be sunshine and roses.  The QBs who excelled yesterday play on teams who have invested significantly (and well) in their surrounding pieces:

CIN -- Burrow along with Chase, Higgins, Mixon, Boyd

BUF -- Allen along with Diggs, Gabe Davis, Beasley, Sanders

TB -- Brady along with Evans, Godwin, Gronk, Fournette, 

KC -- Mahomes along with Kelce, Hill, Hardman

 

It's easy to say the QB makes these guys better, but there's a lot of talent there surrounding those QBs.  Those teams are just better than the Eagles from top to bottom.  

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I’m no scout but every QB coming into this league has raw skills. Some grow and others don’t. Whether or not you can accurately ascertain which raw skill matter is another question.

Also, this discourse about Josh Allen’s raw skills - I don’t think it’s his arm strength that makes him special. He’s a big, accurate QB with very good mobility that has a great offense built around him. He also seems to be highly intelligent and driven.

What raw skill do you see in Hurts? Running? 

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What are you talking about? 

9 minutes ago, greend said:

So what's your point? You're the one trying to say Hurts will improve to "good enough".

Hurts' baseline is a 500-ish team. His upside is a playoff contender *if* he can improve. If he doesn't improve, then you move on.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It's a bit simplistic to say go get an elite QB and everything will be sunshine and roses.  The QBs who excelled yesterday play on teams who have invested significantly (and well) in their surrounding pieces:

CIN -- Burrow along with Chase, Higgins, Mixon, Boyd

BUF -- Allen along with Diggs, Gabe Davis, Beasley, Sanders

TB -- Brady along with Evans, Godwin, Gronk, Fournette, 

KC -- Mahomes along with Kelce, Hill, Hardman

 

It's easy to say the QB makes these guys better, but there's a lot of talent there surrounding those QBs.  Those teams are just better than the Eagles from top to bottom.  

There would be a huge improvement in this team by adding a serviceable quarterback, not to mention an elite one.

22 minutes ago, greend said:

And they didn't and their defense is supposed to be decent, no?

They didn't.  But, defenses screw up and blow it in the moment.  It happens...  And sometimes the QB screws up and throws a pick.  

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Until you can guarantee that we will get the next Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes....just stop with defense isn't important BS.  That's just a ridiculous take.  We have ignored defense for far too long.  It's what won Tampa a SB last year and what has gotten SF this far.  Yet people pick one game with two great QB performances as the blueprint?  That's just silly.  We are not getting a great QB with our first round picks.  I don't like Hurts.  But wasting our draft capital to reach for a QB because of what other great QB's did in the playoffs is dumber than going with Hurts next year.  Give me multiple good players in the first.  Hell, we need good players on defense just to get up to a mid level as compared to the rest of the league.  

I am not saying you ignore it.  But the notion some folks have presented that you can win with an elite defense and game manager is false.  

5 of the top scoring defenses made the playoffs, three one and done ( Pats, Cowboys and Titans ) and the two that advanced to the second round Tampa and Buffalo scored 30 points in the game they won.  

Yes, you have to play some defense, but yesterday proved that an elite QB is the most important factor.

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

In the last two weekends, the #1, #2, #5, #6 and  #7 scoring defenses have been eliminated.  

 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

What raw skill do you see in Hurts? Running? 

Just now, RLC said:

Hurts' baseline is a 500-ish team. His upside is a playoff contender *if* he can improve. If he doesn't improve, then you move on.

Hurts baseline is a 500ish team if we play losers all year. Hurts upside is a play off "maker" if we play losers all year.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hurts' baseline is a 500-ish team. His upside is a playoff contender  pretender  *if* he can improve. If he doesn't improve, then you move on.

FYP

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They didn't.  But, defenses screw up and blow it in the moment.  It happens...  And sometimes the QB screws up and throws a pick.  

They didn't really stop them all game and without their elite qb is would have been a blowout

2 minutes ago, greend said:

There would be a huge improvement in this team by adding a serviceable quarterback, not to mention an elite one.

Not to mention the tire-fire that is about to be the NFC. Get an elite QB and you are in SB contention immediately because soon there will be no other elite QBs in the conference.