2 minutes ago, greend said:

There would be a huge improvement in this team by adding a serviceable quarterback, not to mention an elite one.

I think Russell Wilson has 4-5 good years left, so I'd trade a 1st and Hurts to get that done -- that won't be nearly enough though.

I wouldn't want Watson; didn't want him before his legal issues arose

Rodgers can get bent.  I'd rather have Watson than him.  The Eagles would trade valuable resources for Rodgers, and he'd retire at the end of training camp, just because .... 

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

You just talked yourself into Daniel Jones. 
Same logic would have applied to Bortles, Locker, Freeman, etc.

I think we're undercutting how unique of a situation Josh Allen is. His ascent is rare!

Well, if I'd already invested the resources into one of them... I would likely ride for a 3rd year, because the investment being what it is.   But, I wouldn't have made those picks in the first place.  Never considered Jones, Bortles or Locker.  Not even sure who Freeman is... I can't remember him.

 

But, Josh Allen also had the best arm of any of these guys.  And when you invest a top 10 pick in a guy, you give them 3 years.  When you invest a second round pick... the rope is much shorter.   ANY QB becoming what Josh Allen has become over the past 2 seasons is exceedingly rare.  But, he was no bust after year 2. 

10 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Need to adjust the OT rule for the playoffs.  The current version is fine for the regular season.

The extra innings format adopted by the NCAA.  Equal opportunities.

They need to change the OT rules for regular season too.  Having ties in football is just stupid if you ask me.  Been saying this for years not just because of last night's game.

Just use the ncaa OT rules but move them back farther instead of at the 25.

3 hours ago, greend said:

Sorry, but what?

😄😄 I didn't understand what they were saying either.   Glad some people on here could translate. 

34 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not a good look when reporters F it up like this.

 

 

This comes off more like damage control since that would be tampering even if Flores isn't currently on a team but would be tampering for the team he signs with if they then trade for Watson. 

8 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not to mention the tire-fire that is about to be the NFC. Get an elite QB and you are in SB contention immediately because soon there will be no other elite QBs in the conference.

Yep, I would take my chances with Watson, Wilson, Carr and our current team against the 49ers all day.  

10 minutes ago, greend said:

Who the F said anything about drafting a quarterback?  If I can trade a couple of picks and get a good one I'm doing it, to hell with "defense". Also there is no guarantee that any defender that Howie or any of us pick is going to pan out either.

SInce Howie's hit rate is between 30-40% on 1st rd draft picks, if we got a true superstar at QB for 3- 1sts (And I dont think it takes 3 1sts to get one) You would be right on Howies hit rate. 

Howie isn't drafting two elite players with 3 1st rd picks avail. Let alone 1 elite and 2 starters. Aint happening. 

5 minutes ago, greend said:

They didn't really stop them all game and without their elite qb is would have been a blowout

Goes both ways too.  Chiefs didn't really stop the Bills either.    But, defense is absolutely important.  Stops matter and more importantly stops at the right time.

Just now, Ipiggles said:

SInce Howie's hit rate is between 30-40% on 1st rd draft picks, if we got a true superstar at QB for 3- 1sts (And I dont think it takes 3 1sts to get one) You would be right on Howies hit rate. 

Howie isn't drafting two elite players with 3 1st rd picks avail. Let alone 1 elite and 2 starters. Aint happening. 

Howie's hit rate is roughly 0% in the range that we have 3 draft picks.

9 minutes ago, greend said:

Hurts baseline is a 500ish team if we play losers all year. Hurts upside is a play off "maker" if we play losers all year.

*If we play losers AND we have an elite offensive line

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Goes both ways too.  Chiefs didn't really stop the Bills either.    But, defense is absolutely important.  Stops matter and more importantly stops at the right time.

Howie's hit rate is roughly 0% in the range that we have 3 draft picks.

agreend!  I was giving him the benefit of doubt by including all his 1st rd picks.  Howie actually does his best work in the mid rds. 

14 minutes ago, greend said:

What raw skill do you see in Hurts? Running? 

I think he has a chance to be a very accurate QB. He also seems very intelligent and driven.
 

Yes go ahead and laugh but that’s what I think.

2 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I think he has a chance to be a very accurate QB. He also seems very intelligent and driven.
 

Yes go ahead and laugh but that’s what I think.

What makes you think this? The guy can't even throw a slant route, how could he be considered accurate in any way? 

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep, I would take my chances with Watson, Wilson, Carr and our current team against the 49ers all day.  

It's a no-brainier move for us. To invest multiple first rounders on the defensive side in the modern NFL, let alone Howie making them, is lunacy.

You have the ammo to go get a top QB, don't squander it by letting Howie pick the 4th or 5th best DE/CB in the draft.

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I think he has a chance to be a very accurate QB. He also seems very intelligent and driven.
 

Yes go ahead and laugh but that’s what I think.

Based on what?  

 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What makes you think this? The guy can't even throw a slant route, how could he be considered accurate in any way? 

Hey, HEY!! ..... I have a chance to win the lottery jackpot tomorrow night -- and the odds are about the same.

 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Based on what?  

Just a guess here- all the positive Hype Hurts gets from the media. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Based on what?  

I think it is based on hope. 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

For the "Hurts will improve" crowd, do you ever ask yourself why he has only had incremental improvement over the past SIX years?  I don't buy for a second that his college and NFL coaches never tried to make major changes to his deficiencies every season.  The only hope he has is if a team builds a whole system around him running and rarely passing.  

But he's basically a year removed from basically a rookie. He's 23! Lets ignore he played in 76 games across two major College programs and the NFL, starting over 60 of them. His ceiling is skies the limit. Just like Josh Allen who just started his 66th game after playing 2 years at Wyoming!

48 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

really - are we that fragile of a society we have to PUSH  black athletes who cant play?  

46 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Being able to watch both Deebo Samuel and J'Marr Chase would be one fun game though. 

Agreed.

45 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Duh.....REALLY?    

 

You think Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes are available every year?  We still need a ton of help on defense.  You don't just blow that kind of draft capital on one of these QB's that you have never heard of before this year, because Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen did what they did yesterday.  Once again....they are the exception, not the rule.  

 

If you don't think we need defensive difference makers, just remember what Derek Carr and others did to us this year.  And what QB would we have gotten or can get will fix that?  

 

Stay the course....get better next year and try to get the Qb in the 2023 draft.  Or maybe get Strong or Ridder in the 2nd.  

Strong and Ridder IMO both go 2nd half of R1.

32 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think Brady, Mahomes, Josh Allen, etc,  would do just fine with D. Smith/ Sanders/ Geodert and one of the best offensive lines in the game. 

His name gets brought up a lot but look at D. Carr. Our O-line is 1000 times better, Could argue our weapons are better, less disfunction/less distraction and I would take our coaching staff over what he's had. 

Is there enough here to push Carr to the top of the 2nd tier or even flirt with being quasi elite? 

In the NFC, Carr would be a top 5 QB. He's never had an Oline like this either.

30 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not to mention the tire-fire that is about to be the NFC. Get an elite QB and you are in SB contention immediately because soon there will be no other elite QBs in the conference.

Doesn't even have to be elite. A Derek Carr is arguably the 4th-5th best QB in the conference.

19 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I think he has a chance to be a very accurate QB. He also seems very intelligent and driven.
 

Yes go ahead and laugh but that’s what I think.

Ok.

16 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I have never said as much and don't believe many sensible posters who have said it or believe it.  We can't keep ignoring that side of the ball.....or we'll see more of the same.  We all knew the elite QB deal.  We didn't need yesterday to tell us that.  But we don't have an elite QB and won't be able to get one anytime soon.  So you draft some top line defensive players, punt one of the 1sts back to 2023 and hope an elite QB emerges for that draft.  

The game last night was not a snapshot of the entire NFL or the blueprint.  Again, Tampa's defense was huge in them winning it last year.  

The problem is that the supposed elite guys for 2023 (Young, Stroud, DJ, etc.) will probably be out of reach since we'll be a borderline wildcard team again. I think we have 5 viable options this offseason:

-Go all in and trade for Watson if he'll waive his NTC

-Pry Carr away from LV and be happy with the 4th-5th best QB in the conference

-Identify a QB you want this year (for me, Ridder) and roll the dice

-Make two selections on D and hope to find a trade down involving an extra 1st for next year and hope there's a QB available within your reach

-Sell Lurie and Howie's souls to Satan to make Jalen Hurts better

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Agreed.

Strong and Ridder IMO both go 2nd half of R1.

In the NFC, Carr would be a top 5 QB. He's never had an Oline like this either.

Doesn't even have to be elite. A Derek Carr is arguably the 4th-5th best QB in the conference.

Ok.

The problem is that the supposed elite guys for 2023 (Young, Stroud, DJ, etc.) will probably be out of reach since we'll be a borderline wildcard team again. I think we have 5 viable options this offseason:

-Go all in and trade for Watson if he'll waive his NTC

-Pry Carr away from LV and be happy with the 4th-5th best QB in the conference

-Identify a QB you want this year (for me, Ridder) and roll the dice

-Make two selections on D and hope to find a trade down involving an extra 1st for next year and hope there's a QB available within your reach

-Sell Lurie and Howie's souls to Satan to make Jalen Hurts better

WHen looking at options, Carr may be a decent choice.

Right now who are the top QB's in the NFC?  Rodgers, Wilson and Brady.  

57 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

really - are we that fragile of a society we have to PUSH  black athletes who cant play?  

Not biting. Nope, not gonna do it.

I’m sure this has been mentioned at length in here but I don’t know how you watched that game last night and still think Hurts is a franchise QB. 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

But he's basically a year removed from basically a rookie. He's 23! Lets ignore he played in 76 games across two major College programs and the NFL, starting over 60 of them. His ceiling is skies the limit. Just like Josh Allen who just started his 66th game after playing 2 years at Wyoming!

All people need to know is what they are seeing in this years playoffs. EVERY team winning these games have GREAT QB PLAY. Just watch the Bills/Chiefs game. That will tell you all you need to know. Hurts will NEVER come close to the level of play the playoff QB's have. He just doesn't have it. Hurts is a place holder, until the Eagles get a real QB, at best. I hate counting people out, but all this time watching Hurts.... he just doesn't have it.

16 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

The problem is that the supposed elite guys for 2023 (Young, Stroud, DJ, etc.) will probably be out of reach since we'll be a borderline wildcard team again. I think we have 5 viable options this offseason:

-Go all in and trade for Watson if he'll waive his NTC

-Pry Carr away from LV and be happy with the 4th-5th best QB in the conference

-Identify a QB you want this year (for me, Ridder) and roll the dice

-Make two selections on D and hope to find a trade down involving an extra 1st for next year and hope there's a QB available within your reach

-Sell Lurie and Howie's souls to Satan to make Jalen Hurts better

What the Giants decide to do will have a bearing.  Having the #5 and 7 overall picks in the draft they could easily outbid the Eagles for a QB.  We will have to see what Watson, Wilson and Rodgers decide to do.

I think Rodgers stays put or retires.  GB has had 13 wins each of the past 3 seasons.  He's not going to be able to walk into a better situation elsewhere

I think Watson stays out of jail and gets suspended 8-9 games but plays in 2022.  Heaven only knows who will be on his waive list

Russell Wilson is definitely going to hit the trade market; he's already said he wants to "explore options" -- this could play out like Stafford if SEA agrees to seek a trade as the Lions did last year.