29 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

HIRE ME JEFFREY!

Who was available when you picked Ridder? He would be a waste of a first round pick.  I don't see him having the potential to be a franchise QB.  

Joe Walker

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Brian Rolle, who purportedly was 5’10”.   (I guess ‘is’, as he’s still alive somewhere - Bree, Rivendell, Hobbiton…).

How can you post Brian Rolle and leave out his celebration gif?!?

 

https://twitpic.com/7h6xp4

Would Jamar Chaney and Brian Rolle be a better LB group than what we have today? Man, those were the days.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Excellent.

Very commendable.

I did not cheat BTW. I live in Ohio and he went to OSU so I hoped he worked out at the time lol

45 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I would wonder if people who are not Eagles fans know or care about 4th and 26. I doubt it.

 

It was a big deal at the time and just a great game overall. 

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Would Jamar Chaney and Brian Rolle be a better LB group than what we have today? Man, those were the days.

Very possible.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Who was available when you picked Ridder? He would be a waste of a first round pick.  I don't see him having the potential to be a franchise QB.  

Good thing I traded down to the 2nd.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It was a big deal at the time and just a great game overall. 

It was a big deal in Philadelphia. I'm not so sure about the rest of the country, except perhaps for its entertainment value.

1 hour ago, Thrive said:

I think he has a chance to be a very accurate QB. He also seems very intelligent and driven.
 

Yes go ahead and laugh but that’s what I think.

   His accuracy can be worked on, so can his arm strength (although you have it or don’t) it can be improved slightly. 
 The difference in processing the field in 2.3 vs 2.5 seconds is the difference between Stafford and Orlovsky.  If there were thousands of people who could do that like Stafford or Brady, the NFL would have more than 7-8 good QB’s at any given time, in its history.  
 It’s the reason offenses are so schemed now, QB’s like Dak, Hurts, Heineke, Jones, Murray, Mayfield, etc, need to know pre snap who’s getting the ball, and it’s why all these guys throw into double coverage.  Aikman said it last week, if corners played 10-12 yards off Irvin like the 49ers did to Lamb last week, Irvin would of had 10 catches by halftime.  
 If you can’t process the field, and have to be told who to throw too, then you need Mahomes or Allen’s arm strength and can’t be scared when the receiver is in single coverage. 
 Brady used too argue with Bill O’Brien because O’Brien would try to get Brady to throw to this guy, or that guy, imagine Walsh telling Joe Montana who to throw too, he would of kicked Walsh’s nuts up in his guts. 

24 minutes ago, greend said:

So they won? Let's get this straight, somehow they lost with elite quarterback play and the best defense in the league. Which one of those thing kept them in the game? Their defense did not matter.

At the end of the game, both teams moved to super high risk offenses and their elite QBs were able to be effective. Ask the question, why don't teams play the whole game like the Bills and KC did in the last 5 minutes? The answer is that you can't sustain that high level of risky play. It will result in turnovers and these two QBs standing on their heads is not an example of sustainable play. Defense does matter over a 60 minute game. The super elite QBs are the ones that can play at the level shown yesterday when everything is on the line. I agree on the need for this level of play. We all watched Foles do it for 3 games and also know that he could not do it sustainably. The Bills also lost a SB to the Giants when they had an offense that was as high powered as KCs because the Giants used ball control to offset the number of possessions.

IMO, it is more nuanced than just having an elite QB. I would say that you need elite QB play to win in the playoffs because so many games come down to the QB making big plays at the end of the game. Over the course of the season, D and in particular, D line remains a key element of success. I would add D coordinator to that equation as well. A coach who knows how to pressure the QB at key times is critically important.

A quick summary for all the folks who want to put a good defense around a below average / average QB and try to win.

 

The #1 scoring defense in the NFL, had their top 5 in the league QB go 27 of 37 for 329 yards and 4 TD's, 90.3 QBR and 136 QB rating, had no turnovers, allowed 2 sacks, converted 6 of 14 third downs and 4 of 4 4th downs, had 422 yards of total offense and scored 36 points, AND LOST.

40 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Both solid 3rd rounders or lower. I like Walker more of the 2.

Quay was recently in round 1 of a mock.  I think it may have been Daniel Jeremiah's.

And he's not the first media pundit that's basically said this other LBs are just as good as Dean.

3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

   His accuracy can be worked on, so can his arm strength (although you have it or don’t) it can be improved slightly. 
 The difference in processing the field in 2.3 vs 2.5 seconds is the difference between Stafford and Orlovsky.  If there were thousands of people who could do that like Stafford or Brady, the NFL would have more than 7-8 good QB’s at any given time, in its history.  
 It’s the reason offenses are so schemed now, QB’s like Dak, Hurts, Heineke, Jones, Murray, Mayfield, etc, need to know pre snap who’s getting the ball, and it’s why all these guys throw into double coverage.  Aikman said it last week, if corners played 10-12 yards off Irvin like the 49ers did to Lamb last week, Irvin would of had 10 catches by halftime.  
 If you can’t process the field, and have to be told who to throw too, then you need Mahomes or Allen’s arm strength and can’t be scared when the receiver is in single coverage. 
 Brady used too argue with Bill O’Brien because O’Brien would try to get Brady to throw to this guy, or that guy, imagine Walsh telling Joe Montana who to throw too, he would of kicked Walsh’s nuts up in his guts. 

He'd have slapped them up there while enjoying the smooth warmth of his Isotoner gloves.

Surprised a lot more people have jumped on the Ridder bandwagon.I’ve liked him for a while but he’s the biggest boom or bust prospect out of the top QBs in this draft. After the ND game my thought process was he’s basically got a ceiling of josh Allen but without the elite arm. He has a good arm just not Allen. So you’d need to have your daboll type to fix his issues with accuracy and some of his mechanics coming out. His floor is really really low. Not that he compares to them as player comps but just busts like josh Rosen and Jake locker types. So if you don’t have the belief in him nor the right coaching guru you could wind up just getting a complete bust.  

I remember after the 2017 draft schefter went on the radio talking about josh Allen which tuned me into him and went and watched some of his highlights and watch games that upcoming year. How scouts loved his arm and his athleticism. He talked him up all the way up to the start of wyoming’s season opener and even throughout the season after he had some lackluster games. Allen when he came out had a cannon for an arm with great athleticism but he was very inaccurate and every time he played a good college football program he looked bad so the skeptics on him and reason. That Iowa game he was awful. I loved Allen more than most on here but he was also the biggest boom or bust prospect imo (although i hated Rosen and i thought baker mayfield was overrated and shouldn’t have been the no. 1 pick— got crap for that on here when i said it). Allen had the work ethic, someone like daboll and the bill did a great job adding weapons on offense and building around him to get to this point.

What this comes down to is if you love the kid Ridder and believe he can become josh Allen light (nowhere near the arm strength to ever become truly josh Allen) then hope you have your daboll in the building, go get him and try to build the roster up around him in time. Don’t just take him and hope that he can be that cause that’s what you want. You better believe he can become that in your organization and actually truly love him when making that decision. 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Quay was recently in round 1 of a mock.  I think it may have been Daniel Jeremiah's.

And he's not the first media pundit that's basically said this other LBs are just as good as Dean.

Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kiper and I have roughly the same rate of success predicting who goes where.

Desmond Ridder is not good, not a "toolsy" prospect. He's not "big" in the physical sense (he's tall, but thin). He's not particularly fast. He has an average arm. 

Pickett, Willis and Strong are all more interesting prospects.

32 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Nkobe Dean is 5'10" or shorter. I would much rather target Devin Lloyd in the 1st or try to pickup Christian Harris in the 2nd.

The more I see of the two, Im sticking with Dean.  Seems more instinctual and has quick twitch playmaking abilities.

With Lloyd I wonder if hes just a really good athlete taking advantage of guys who arent.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Daniel Jeremiah, Mel Kiper and I have roughly the same rate of success predicting who goes where.

If Quay can move at the combine,  at 6'4" he will be higher in most mock drafts.  Right now most draft websites haven't even heard of him because everyone just knows Dean.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  That’s me.  Mr Hurts supporter.  I’m the leader of the Squirt for Hurts fan club.  🤡

I knew it! Lol

Man I love the random vague Eagle LB references...what a ride we've had over the last 20 years.  

 

Btw, I dont care if the Bills were the #1 defense all time.  Didnt matter with the coverage the coaches dialed up. That was the dumbest thing Ive ever seen in a big game, rushing 4 for no reason at all and leaving Kelce essentially 1 on 1.  Morons

 

 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Desmond Ridder is not good, not a "toolsy" prospect. He's not "big" in the physical sense (he's tall, but thin). He's not particularly fast. He has an average arm. 

Pickett, Willis and Strong are all more interesting prospects.

Matt Corral too.  

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The more I see of the two, Im sticking with Dean.  Seems more instinctual and has quick twitch playmaking abilities.

With Lloyd I wonder if hes just a really good athlete taking advantage of guys who arent.

That's what the defense needs and that's what I'll take a risk on in the 1st. Give me the athletic guy with the size and speed. Lloyd played WR and saftey in high school, so you know he can move. Eagles need a LB that can cover and blitz.

18 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I did not cheat BTW. I live in Ohio and he went to OSU so I hoped he worked out at the time lol

Who was the last Buckeye to make the roster, excluding Malcolm?