4 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

No one knew who Big Red was when he got the Eagles job. 

I agree , that is why I would take a shot on Luke Getsy. , heard his name mentioned early on , but not lately  . 
 

I would be looking into that Shanny , Mcvey tree , and offensive minded , would not want a defensive minded HC , and certainly not a young one 

4 minutes ago, Infam said:

Seumalo is average at his best (guard).

He had multiple opportunities at center and looked absolutely terrible every time.

Really? I must have missed those opportunities. He was lousy early on, then Stoutland worked his magic. tweaked his stance, and he was terrific from then on...at guard. As far as I can tell, he's played parts of two games at center, one of which was the 2017 finale when we were resting Kelce. He's played both guard positions and both tackle positions and played them pretty damn well. He knows the system as well as anyone on the team, has played all five positions (as I mentioned) and therefore knows their responsibilities and has worked for some years with Kelce. He's strong, mobile, and he can run. He's the natural choice to move in at center when Kelce retires.

Kelce had some comments to make about Seumalo: 

Kelce called Seumalo, now in his fifth season in the league, "one of the premier guards in the NFL.”

The center added, "I think he’s one of the least respected guys on the line in the media and whatnot, but I’ll tell you what, everybody in our room knows just how good he is.”https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/jason-kelce-talks-left-side-of-eagles-o-line#:

To be fair, Seumalo has missed huge chunks of the last two seasons so, if the issue is health, there could be an argument. Of course that was not an argument you made.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Andy and Bruce we're successful with the  previous teams. Obviously Outliers and it's not even close. 

Adam Gase - below .500 on his first job, even worse at the 2nd place. 

Pat Shurmur - terrible before, and terrible in his second stop

Gruden basically .500 in his first stop, his 2nd stop and his third stop. 

Jeff Fisher, 3 or 4 stops of .500 football every where

Dave Wnnsteft, terrible before and terrible at his second stop. 

Jack Del Rio, below 500 at his first stop... 2 games above at his second spot

I can go on and on

 

Put please, retread Dan Quinn and Todd Bowles. 

Arguing against a specific coach merely due to the retread status is absolutely the weakest argument you could make.  

Don't bother going on and on, there are more unsuccessful head coaches than successful ones, so the list will be long.  Who cares?  Bring something more to the discussion than the lazy 'retread' garbage.  Plenty of Super Bowls have been won by coaches in their second stop.  Going in reverse: 
Arians, Reid, Belichek, Fox, Carroll, Coughlin, Dungy, Gruden, Vermeil, Shanahan - that takes us back about 25 years... and that's about 17 of the 25 years.

BTW, Dan Quinn took his last HC gig to the Super Bowl.  I'd call that 'successful'.   I didn't discuss any of these others, only responded to your post, which only named Dan Quinn and called him merely a 'retread'.   Discussion over unless you want to get into specifics about why Quinn is a bad choice.

 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

this place is idiotic sometimes

Except when you are on vacation.  How many folks have you reported since you returned ??

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Andy Reid was like +40 over .500 when he got his second job. shanahan was a monster in Denver when he got his second job. Bruce same way. 

Laughable to compare Quinn/Bowles with Reid/BA

 

I didn't compare anyone.  I said that your argument was lazy.  

BTW, Denver WAS Shanahan's second job.  His first was with the Raiders.

 

Just a reminder... you responded about Quinn, and he took the Falcons to the Super Bowl... I'd call that successful.

 

We're done here though, you've had 3 opportunities to actually discuss Quinn specifically and have chosen the lazy and straw man tactic each and every time.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’d still take him over this Fing dope we have now.  

I hold him personally responsible for Reich leaving and can't get over it.

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Really? I must have missed those opportunities. He was lousy early on, then Stoutland worked his magic. tweaked his stance, and he was terrific from then on...at guard. As far as I can tell, he's played parts of two games at center, one of which was the 2017 finale when we were resting Kelce. He's played both guard positions and both tackle positions and played them pretty damn well. He knows the system as well as anyone on the team, has played all five positions (as I mentioned) and therefore knows their responsibilities and has worked for some years with Kelce. He's strong, mobile, and he can run. He's the natural choice to move in at center when Kelce retires.

Kelce had some comments to make about Seumalo: 

Kelce called Seumalo, now in his fifth season in the league, "one of the premier guards in the NFL.”

The center added, "I think he’s one of the least respected guys on the line in the media and whatnot, but I’ll tell you what, everybody in our room knows just how good he is.”https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/jason-kelce-talks-left-side-of-eagles-o-line#:

To be fair, Seumalo has missed huge chunks of the last two seasons so, if the issue is health, there could be an argument. Of course that was not an argument you made.

Well he had multiple opportunities and looked terrible. And did you expect Kelce to say: That guy is average at best?

He’s not the natural choice, he is the worst choice for center. 

I don’t even dislike the man. I think he is a very good backup guard.

 

26 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

The first one has been discussed in here last week; just an aggravating play all around.  The weird thing is Hurts was looking right at Watkins and didn't throw it.

The second one Watkins has a step on the DB but I wouldn't say it's a TD unless there's a perfect throw.  Unfortunately Hurts was back-pedaling for no reason instead of throwing

The third one Hurts steps forward to run and escape when there was time to step up and throw.  That should have been an easy TD.  Really bad miss.  

1 minute ago, Infam said:

Well he had multiple opportunities and looked terrible. And did you expect Kelce to say: That guy is average at best?

He’s not the natural choice, he is the worst choice for center. 

I don’t even dislike the man. I think he is a very good backup guard.

Can you cite these opportunities?

 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

The first one has been discussed in here last week; just an aggravating play all around.  The weird thing is Hurts was looking right at Watkins and didn't throw it.

Maybe he needs glasses.

These twitter Eagles fans my goodness.

 

17 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You know what you guys are right.

Dan Quinn and Todd Bowles are basically the same as Shula, Shannahn, Coughlin 

this place is idiotic sometimes

Only when you're here.

They hadn't become HOF coaches yet, Einstein.  They were retreads getting a second shot at the time they were hired.

 

5 minutes ago, Infam said:

Well he had multiple opportunities and looked terrible. And did you expect Kelce to say: That guy is average at best?

He’s not the natural choice, he is the worst choice for center. 

I don’t even dislike the man. I think he is a very good backup guard.

As you wish. 🤷‍♂️

35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

 

Watching these makes me ill. Even Minshew sees Quez there.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  Lots of coaches required that too.  Bill Walsh had Joe Montana.  Belichek had Brady.  

 

I agree with you on both those coaches, my only point is... the retread coach argument is a weak one.  Retreads have won the Super Bowl... so one can't dismiss Quinn as a bad choice because he's a retread.  If so, then so many HCs that later went on to win a Super Bowl are just retreads and shouldn't get a second sniff.

 

Meanwhile, I wouldn't bring in a coach that already won the Super Bowl with another team, because no HC has ever managed to recreate that magic a second time with a new team.  A few have gotten there, but not won. 

Too soon?

29 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Well, I love the corners and could see them grabbing one but I like the potential of Gowan and always have.  At this point, Stingley is more potential than proven. Elam seems a boom or bust guy.  Curious about the speed of the others.  FS isn’t overly deep this year.  Need to grab one early. I really like Brisker and think Hill can fix his hiccups. 

I like Gowan as well. My top 2 are Sauce and Booth. Would be thrilled with either.

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Too soon?

Just not a fan of that type of humor.  

39 minutes ago, Infam said:

I haven’t read the blog until just now, so sorry if I missed your point. Siri is our HC and is here to stay for a couple years so.. who cares? (no offense)

In our lifetimes you can also add Vermeil, Shanahan, Dungy, Gruden, and Coughlin.

Interesting that the list of guys who WEREN’T retreads is much shorter.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

These twitter Eagles fans my goodness.

 

I wondered where that AWFUL "Jalen Hurts is as good or better than Josh Allen" take from this morning came from.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Can you cite these opportunities?

No, can’t exactly say what games that were, don’t have that kind of memory unfortunatly. But it’s not been five years for sure.

58 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There are not many Sam Mills types out there.

Theres not many Deans either

Unanimous 1st team All American, Butkus Award winner (not many busts in that group).  Hes a freaking mechanical engineering major, the kids a stud.

1 minute ago, Infam said:

No, can’t exactly say what games that were, don’t have that kind of memory unfortunatly. But it’s not been five years for sure.

Considering that he was a 2016 draft pick, that's a pretty safe bet.   But, if you can't cite specifically when these plenty of poor performances happened, we can't actually discuss this.

57 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The QB needs to throw over the LBs to hit intermediate routes in the middle of the field.  In theory a 6'3 LB would break up/INT more passes.

Mike Singletary and Sam Mills both did just fine, but it could be argued they played in an era where run-stuffing was more important than covering a 6'5 TE.

You said it...."in theory."

We know it doesnt work out that way, Id much more rely on his performance on the field which has been consistently stellar.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Considering that he was a 2016 draft pick, that's a pretty safe bet.   But, if you can't cite specifically when these plenty of poor performances happened, we can't actually discuss this.

If anyone knows a tool to look up what position a player has played and when (that is for free).. I’d be interested!

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Theres not many Deans either

Unanimous 1st team All American, Butkus Award winner (not many busts in that group).  Hes a freaking mechanical engineering major, the kids a stud.

I don't disagree.  The question is... is he that guy?  And remember, Mills went undrafted and had to scrape his way to the NFL by way of the USFL (played for the Philadelphia/Baltimore Stars).   Is this guy worth a first round pick at 5'9" or even 5'10"?   That's a tough call for me.  I don't know enough about LB position to say.