13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Not getting a job and not have a good interview are not mutually exclusive. A young DC not getting a job in his first try is not an issue. It's clear he'll get a HC job within 3 years.

Not necessarily... IIRC, Greg Roman was a really hot name a while ago - back when he was the OC for the 49ers and now he never even gets a sniff at an interview.   There seems to be a window where you are hot, but if you don't get a job during that window, its generally closed and you are cast as an OC or assistant the rest of your career, because you are now too old to be considered a 'young' up and comer.  

You are right about the non-mutual exclusivity, but Gannon likely has to get the job in the next 3, or he won't be getting it 4 or more years from now.  This is likely his window to get it done.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

https://www.knbr.com/2022/01/24/packers-beat-writer-matt-schneidman-believes-rodgers-is-done-in-green-bay-predicts-wild-trade/?fbclid=IwAR18N_YYWh6Qu0-L7AVMn7qqdluQc4SMl7bswhEHxtj-Q5N-qtCJrloa1nY
 

Basically his hypothetical trade scenario is dealing rodgers and franchising Adams and trading him along with rodgers to Denver for 3 firsts, two 2nd rounders, jeudy and fant. 

That's almost a Hershel Walker level deal.

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

Not getting a job and not have a good interview are not mutually exclusive. A young DC not getting a job in his first try is not an issue. It's clear he'll get a HC job within 3 years.

That wasn’t the tune Albright was singing , that is what I’m responding to .

 

16 hours ago, blindside said:

Over and over again. At every position

Yup

15 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Goedert drops too many and Watkins allows them to smother Smith too much.  

Watkins and Smith are open a freaking ton. Hurts can't find or hit them. Sorry but your narrative is incorrect. Goedert does need some work on his hands but is still a very good option.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

https://www.knbr.com/2022/01/24/packers-beat-writer-matt-schneidman-believes-rodgers-is-done-in-green-bay-predicts-wild-trade/?fbclid=IwAR18N_YYWh6Qu0-L7AVMn7qqdluQc4SMl7bswhEHxtj-Q5N-qtCJrloa1nY
 

Basically his hypothetical trade scenario is dealing rodgers and franchising Adams and trading him along with rodgers to Denver for 3 firsts, two 2nd rounders, jeudy and fant. 

Taters gonna tate

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

I wouldn't reach for a QB just to have a "passer," there's a long list of flops who looked great passing in college and the senior bowl, but melted in the face of NFL defenses.

If I don't think there's either a "sure thing" or great value pick, I pass. You can always find mediocre, middle of the pack QBs (Hurts is already around #20, and with improvement, could be #15 next season).

Howie picks Strong with his first pick.

Afan: "It's a great idea to reach for a good passer, the rest can be learned".

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not necessarily... IIRC, Greg Roman was a really hot name a while ago - back when he was the OC for the 49ers and now he never even gets a sniff at an interview.   There seems to be a window where you are hot, but if you don't get a job during that window, its generally closed and you are cast as an OC or assistant the rest of your career, because you are now too old to be considered a 'young' up and comer.  

You are right about the non-mutual exclusivity, but Gannon likely has to get the job in the next 3, or he won't be getting it 4 or more years from now.  This is likely his window to get it done.

That's almost a Hershel Walker level deal.

At least they’d be getting rodgers and Adams in that deal. I do think if rodgers is gone then Adams is getting dealt too cause i don’t see him signing a long term deal. I’m curious to see what he’d bring back in a deal without rodgers. He’s a top 5 receiver in the game in need of a new contract. 

8 hours ago, SB52 said:

The irony is that 85ish% of people said Josh Allen would bust and well over half said the same about Mahomes.

Was there a poll that I missed?

10 hours ago, austinfan said:

Yeah, we gonna get the next Allen or Mahomes, I mean it's not like people miss on QBs taken in the first round, especially if you trade up to the top 10. Never happens.

Just to be safe then, trade away all first round draft picks for an established quarterback!

11 hours ago, SB52 said:

What would the compensation be to acquire Russell Wilson?

I wonder if the Seahawks like Hurts. They seem to want to be a run-first team. Would two #1’s and Hurts get it done? I think it’s fair to assume 5 more good years for Wilson.

Quez Watkins would have double digit touchdowns with Russ under center. He’s one of the best deep ball throwers I’ve seen.

If they've never seen him play there's a chance.

7 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Speed matters a bit less in CBs than fluid hips and instincts if they continue to play zone but it matters more with slower Ss.  Both Epps and Wallace are 4.5+ guys. Mayden is fast but his instincts and angles are not great.  Vincent is also fast but undersized as a S.  College football allows so much grabbing and contact that speed and fluidity are significant measurables to consider for CBs coming out because the NFL is a different game for secondary.  None of us since NDIrish (Matt Alkire) left - I recommend following him on Twitter for his film cuts and his website https://jetrolot.com - gets all 22 film from college ball and have to rely on what TV offers of coverage. Harder to see the coverages and pre throw contact with TV coverage.  BTW, Matt loves Elam.  The athleticism is there.  I just wonder about his instincts and film discipline.  

Agreed. Speed to me is more important in S than CB. My top 2 CB targets in R1 are Gardner and Booth. Stingley will for sure be gone, and Elam would be my backup option if the other two are as well. If all are gone, grab McCreary. At S, I like Brisker, Cine, Pitre, O’Neal, Monday. One of those will be available in either R2 or R3. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who was ever a 'sure thing' coming out of the draft?

 

And I'm going to push back hard on the Hurts is already around #20 thing.  He's only #20 if you consider his running... and as you pointed out with the injury thing... that means limited longevity.  Hurts is closer to #30 if you go by his pure passing ability.   Yes, the running adds something... but it doesn't make up for the lack of passing when it actually matters most, like when the team is losing or in the playoffs.   Could Jalen Hurts have lead either drives that we saw from Mahomes or Allen in the end of the 4th quarter?   I don't think so. 

Peyton Manning was a sure thing. As was Luck (ouch). Quenton Nelson too. The Colts seem to be the only team that always happens to be at the top of R1 when the sure things are coming out. Lol

Literally every eagles fan on Twitter going on about josh Allen comp to hurts. First off Josh Allen has a elite arm so the comp starting there makes no sense. Second jalen hurts played in 56 college games in his career before getting to the nfl. Josh Allen had 27. So hurts played more than double the amount of games that josh Allen played in college. Furthermore hurts did it at Alabama and Oklahoma with some of the best coaching in the entire country. Allen was at Wyoming with nowhere close to that coaching and the jump from Wyoming to the nfl as compared to Oklahoma/Alabama is night and day. 

This comp to josh Allen’s development is completely ridiculous. hurts is only 23 but he played in 56 collegiate games which is a ton of games. He’s had way better coaching before hitting the nfl. And he has no where close to that arm talent. They aren’t remotely the same prospect. They had the same deficiency and that’s where it ends 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

For the Defense doesn't matter crowd because of the Bills/Chiefs game:  Does that mean we should ignore the Offensive line because Burrow was sacked 9 times in a win on the road?  

I guess I'm that "crowd".  And I would say that might prove a point that the qb is the most important piece to get and then build the rest around him.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Was there a poll that I missed?

Did you know that 85% of statistics are made up?

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Was there a poll that I missed?

Yeah I dont believe I had given anyone my opinion on Allen after his 2nd season. He is most likely talking about the talking heads, who never really study anyone and only parrot a narrative they hear. 

If you listen to sports talk radio or the ESPN  (Skip, Max etc...) type hype shows, you aren't exactly getting the best analysis.  But a ton of people not only watch those shows, they believe they are getting "great analysis". The truth is, none of these guys have the time to break down every tape of every player. Most dont even have the ability to break down tape. 

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Did you know that 85% of statistics are made up?

60% of the time it works every time 

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Did you know that 85% of statistics are made up?

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I guess I'm that "crowd".  And I would say that might prove a point that the qb is the most important piece to get and then build the rest around him.

Agree 100% with this.  

The whole team is important, but the QB is the most important piece, to the power of 10. The QB is 10x more important than the next important player on the team. 

Irsay has a point 

 

 

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Irsay has a point 

 

 

Let Irsay know we'll trade Hurts for a 2nd. It won't help them win but it might make Carson look better to them

8 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Stuck with Hurts?  Avant dropping truth bombs about the QB situation and where it stands.  Hater!

 

One thing I found interesting about the discussion was John Clark theorized the reason Howie and Nick came out and said Hurts would be the starter for 2022 so early this offseason is they’ve already reached out to the Watson, Wilson, and Rodgers camps and been told there’s no interest in coming to Philly.  Jason agreed there was likely a stimulus there for them to do so, and more or less said none of them would have interest because of the current roster.  He also was very sceptical that any FA WR would choose Philly because of the offense being run and the limited opportunities behind Smith and Goedert.

I disagree on the first point.  I doubt Wilson or Watson have given an updated list yet, although it’s possible the agent might have asked the player(s) and been given a quick "No”.  

3 minutes ago, greend said:

Let Irsay know we'll trade Hurts for a 2nd. It won't help them win but it might make Carson look better to them

Makes you wonder if Carson will be back in Indy 

Senior Bowl time next week - will be interesting to see how the likes of Strong, Pickett get on once the NFL teams get around them. 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Just to be safe then, trade away all first round draft picks for an established quarterback!

Nah... 

14 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Peyton Manning was a sure thing. As was Luck (ouch). Quenton Nelson too. The Colts seem to be the only team that always happens to be at the top of R1 when the sure things are coming out. Lol

I'm more interested in Afan's definition.   He suggests that you can't draft a QB in the top 10, unless he's a 'sure thing'.  I'm curious just how many he thinks there have been.

 

(BTW... Colts were also at the top when Elway came out, another 'sure thing'.)