5 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Senior Bowl time next week - will be interesting to see how the likes of Strong, Pickett get on once the NFL teams get around them. 

I require updates constantly and links to videos.  

3 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Senior Bowl time next week - will be interesting to see how the likes of Strong, Pickett get on once the NFL teams get around them. 

I find most of the Senior Bowl week is spent fluffing guys up to the media, but I agree it’s quite beneficial for the prospects.

You know who had a poor Senior Bowl week according to most reports?  Yup, our starting QB.  Unfortunately it didn’t give the Eagles any pause at all on draft night.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I find most of the Senior Bowl week is spent fluffing guys up to the media, but I agree it’s quite beneficial for the prospects.

You know who had a poor Senior Bowl week according to most reports?  Yup, our starting QB.  Unfortunately it didn’t give the Eagles any pause at all on draft night.

For me, it's where the curtain of h/w/s suddenly gets pulled back on prospects from their college stats and scheme from college exposes some players when they aren't protected.  Nothing major, but an enjoyable interlude.

I didn't know that about Hurts, but it does make sense. Sadly.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm more interested in Afan's definition.   He suggests that you can't draft a QB in the top 10, unless he's a 'sure thing'.  I'm curious just how many he thinks there have been.

 

(BTW... Colts were also at the top when Elway came out, another 'sure thing'.) 

Mahomes wasn’t a sure thing when he was drafted. There’s a reason he fell to to 10. Reid and company trusted their evaluation and absolutely loved the kid. So they they traded up to get him. Burrow wasn’t a sure thing like luck and manning. He was closer than other prospects that had come out. He had an historical collegiate season. And his prior years no one would’ve remotely thought of him as the first overall pick. So there was a chance he could’ve just put together the greatest collegiate season we’ve ever seen and didn’t materialize in the nfl. Heck josh Allen had more questions then any Qb in the first round of his draft and became the best QB from that draft. 

this comes down to trusting your evaluation and if you absolutely love a player at quarterback. If you truly love and covet him then you should go get him. If you don’t then don’t force the issue. However this theory you just can’t take a top 10 quarterback because there’s a potential bust is stupid. Because in the Eagles wouldn’t have had Carson Wentz and they would not have went on to win a Super Bowl without him (and they weren’t definitely not just a QB away when he was drafted). And he wasn’t a surefire lock coming out of NDSU

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm more interested in Afan's definition.   He suggests that you can't draft a QB in the top 10, unless he's a 'sure thing'.  I'm curious just how many he thinks there have been.

 

(BTW... Colts were also at the top when Elway came out, another 'sure thing'.) 

Good point. Forgot about Elway. 

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

One thing I found interesting about the discussion was John Clark theorized the reason Howie and Nick came out and said Hurts would be the starter for 2022 so early this offseason is they’ve already reached out to the Watson, Wilson, and Rodgers camps and been told there’s no interest in coming to Philly.  Jason agreed there was likely a stimulus there for them to do so, and more or less said none of them would have interest because of the current roster.  He also was very sceptical that any FA WR would choose Philly because of the offense being run and the limited opportunities behind Smith and Goedert.

I disagree on the first point.  I doubt Wilson or Watson have given an updated list yet, although it’s possible the agent might have asked the player(s) and been given a quick "No”.  

It's also possible they always try to keep the value of all the players they have at it's highest possible point. It would not look good if you dissed a player and then wanted to trade them for some value later. They will NEVER diss one of their own players. EVER, always will give you the company line. "we have all the confidence in the world in (insert player here), we expect he will play very well for us, he is a great guy, great leader and has all the skills, and his play jumps off the screen at you"  yadda yadda yadda

27 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

For me, it's where the curtain of h/w/s suddenly gets pulled back on prospects from their college stats and scheme from college exposes some players when they aren't protected.  Nothing major, but an enjoyable interlude.

I didn't know that about Hurts, but it does make sense. Sadly.

They fell in love with senior bowl swag…

this comes down to I think the Eagles believe that they could get makeup for their mistake in Russell Wilson and make Jalen hurts make him into that type of player overtime. Meanwhile he’s not Russell Wilson. (Let me clarify I don’t think they believed he was Russell Wilson or was Russell Wilson 2.0 but they could develop him into a position where that pick was great value like they would’ve had with Russell Wilson)

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

It's also possible they always try to keep the value of all the players they have at it's highest possible point. It would not look good if you dissed a player and then wanted to trade them for some value later. They will NEVER diss one of their own players. EVER, always will give you the company line. "we have all the confidence in the world in (insert player here), we expect he will play very well for us, he is a great guy, great leader and has all the skills, and his play jumps off the screen at you"  yadda yadda yadda

I don’t usually like BLG and kempski’s podcast cause i think BLG has gone downhill over the years. But I would actually say their podcast from last Thursday after Howie’s presser might have been their best podcast I’ve heard since kempski Joined. Went into full discussion on what was said and the QB situation along with reagor, brooks and coaching staff. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They fell in love with senior bowl swag…

this comes down to I think the Eagles believe that they could get makeup for their mistake in Russell Wilson and make Jalen hurts make him into that type of player overtime. Meanwhile he’s not Russell Wilson. 

talk about having trust in your process. Yeah well I dont trust the eagles evaluation process. Anything that made them look at Hurts like he could be WIlson 2.0? 

Time to throw out THAT process and start over

55 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not necessarily... IIRC, Greg Roman was a really hot name a while ago - back when he was the OC for the 49ers and now he never even gets a sniff at an interview.   There seems to be a window where you are hot, but if you don't get a job during that window, its generally closed and you are cast as an OC or assistant the rest of your career, because you are now too old to be considered a 'young' up and comer.  

No one has ever said Roman was a good interview though.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They fell in love with senior bowl swag…

this comes down to I think the Eagles believe that they could get makeup for their mistake in Russell Wilson and make Jalen hurts make him into that type of player overtime. Meanwhile he’s not Russell Wilson. 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; Howie must have been smitten. How can they have thought Hurts was even comparable to Wilson?

16 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

talk about having trust in your process. Yeah well I dont trust the eagles evaluation process. Anything that made them look at Hurts like he could be WIlson 2.0? 

Time to throw out THAT process and start over

My biggest issue with the eagles they think they are quarterback factory. No Andy Reid can call himself a quarterback factory or guru. He was in on drafting and developing Donovan McNabb. He developed aj feeley into a competent back up. He resurrected Jeff garcia’s career. He helped vick become no. 2 in mvp voting in 2010. He got the maximum out of Alex smith. He drafted and developed mahomes. He won a playoff game with chad freaking henne playing an entire half. His biggest misses were Kevin kolb and Mike McMahon. Heck he was here when we drafted foles. And I’m guessing he probably had a large significant influence on them drafting him.

meanwhile since Andy Reid has been gone who have the eagles developed to consider themselves a QB factory? Carson Wentz is the best development they have done. And he crashed and burned after 4 years. Nick foles? He had a great three game run. And if he was as developed and as great as you thought you wouldn’t have traded him for Sam Bradford and you would’ve kept him over Carson Wentz. But they didn’t see him that way. It’s definitely not mark Sanchez who was the same QB he was with the jets. I know it’s not Sam Bradford because that guy was the epitome of average. They overpaid for Chase Daniel who they only kept for a year and ate dead money to unload him. It’s definitely not Clayton Thorson who didn’t even make it through the preseason. Is it Hurts? The guy who can run the football but passing wise hasn’t exactly developed into a passer good enough to beat good teams. Nate sudfeld definitely wasn’t it  

legitimately Carson Wentz is the best quarterback they have developed since Andy Reid has left. They got 3 good years before his demise here. And they got foles to play magical for 2 games which had been the book on foles since he was drafted out of Arizona that he ran extremely hot and cold. 

6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; Howie must have been smitten. How can they have thought Hurts was even comparable to Wilson?

I think it was less so comparable to Russell Wilson the player and more comparable to them wanting to take a quarterback in that spot position that they thought had potential to turn out like the Russell Wilson gem pick they missed out on years ago. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Literally every eagles fan on Twitter going on about josh Allen comp to hurts. First off Josh Allen has a elite arm so the comp starting there makes no sense. Second jalen hurts played in 56 college games in his career before getting to the nfl. Josh Allen had 27. So hurts played more than double the amount of games that josh Allen played in college. Furthermore hurts did it at Alabama and Oklahoma with some of the best coaching in the entire country. Allen was at Wyoming with nowhere close to that coaching and the jump from Wyoming to the nfl as compared to Oklahoma/Alabama is night and day. 

This comp to josh Allen’s development is completely ridiculous. hurts is only 23 but he played in 56 collegiate games which is a ton of games. He’s had way better coaching before hitting the nfl. And he has no where close to that arm talent. They aren’t remotely the same prospect. They had the same deficiency and that’s where it ends 

That's a good point when one of the criticisms of Hurts is his inability to understand what he is looking at defensively and his impatience in the pocket.  You would think his experience would make him more comfortable and not less.  There are certain fans that will try to will his success into existence regardless of his performance.  It really doesn't matter.  The question is whether the Eagles FO or coaching staff are deluded into believing he is something he's not. We wouldn't have all of the Watson rumors if the FO was entirely convinced in Hurts.  I am sure we will see the Eagles meeting with QB prospects through the draft process.  I am sure they are self scouting and will  have an accurate idea of the likelihood is they need to move on from Hurts.  

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Mahomes wasn’t a sure thing when he was drafted. There’s a reason he fell to to 10. Reid and company trusted their evaluation and absolutely loved the kid. So they they traded up to get him. Burrow wasn’t a sure thing like luck and manning. He was closer than other prospects that had come out. He had an historical collegiate season. And his prior years no one would’ve remotely thought of him as the first overall pick. So there was a chance he could’ve just put together the greatest collegiate season we’ve ever seen and didn’t materialize in the nfl. Heck josh Allen had more questions then any Qb in the first round of his draft and became the best QB from that draft. 

this comes down to trusting your evaluation and if you absolutely love a player at quarterback. If you truly love and covet him then you should go get him. If you don’t then don’t force the issue. However this theory you just can’t take a top 10 quarterback because there’s a potential bust is stupid. Because in the Eagles wouldn’t have had Carson Wentz and they would not have went on to win a Super Bowl without him (and they weren’t definitely not just a QB away when he was drafted). And he wasn’t a surefire lock coming out of NDSU

Agree with the bolded.

 

I wasn't on board with Wentz when the team decided to move up to 2 to get him, but I gave the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt.  Almost every HC is tied to the QB position.  If the QB works out, the HC will last.  If not, they are usually blown out together.   The triumvirate of Pederson, Reich, and DeFilippo all were QBs and were the ones making this decision.  So, I trusted them.  And it worked out great... for a while.  And I was all on board - 100%.   (***I still think about what could have been without the ACL injury in 2017, which again might be a big reason I am against a QB designed run as a part of the game plan.  He wasn't even hit 'hard'... just awkwardly when the ACL/LCL injury occurred.  So the idea of Hurts being 'built different' or 'avoids the big hit' means nothing to me.  Wentz avoided the big contact... but left his legs exposed.  It's just a matter of time with Hurts before he gets hit the wrong way, and that risk rises every time he runs, because he won't get the same protections as being in the pocket and defensive players will look to 'make him pay' for running.***) 

But, what happened when Wentz started to turn sour?  The HC was gone... as well as the QB.  Very few HCs stick with a franchise if the QB position is a revolving door.  It just doesn't work.   Chip had 4 QBs start in his 3 years here... Vick, Foles, Bradford and Sanchez.  Rhodes during his 4 years... Cunningham, Peete, T. Detmer, Hoying, K. Detmer.   Andy lasted because he got McNabb and stuck with him from 1999 - 2009.  By that time, he'd proven himself, but from 2010 to 2012... they had 3 different QBs... Kolb, Vick, and Foles.  The result... he was gone.  

Sirianni won't last here as the HC if he doesn't have 'his' QB.  He came thinking it would be Wentz.  Then inherited Hurts and tried to fit the square peg into the round hole for half a season.  Then revamped the offense, beat up on the weak sisters of the poor teams and seemed to have turned a corner with his QB, only to have the truth exposed again in the playoffs by the Bucs - the only 'legit' team they had faced in nearly 10 weeks.   So, they can roll with Hurts... hope he can improve all these weaknesses (unlikely) and continue to beat up on the bad teams, and continue to look over matched by the top half of the league.  That's not good enough for this owner though.  He doesn't like being #12-18 in the NFL.  But, that's pretty much where Hurts puts you... until he loses his greatest strength, which is likely the first thing any QB loses... his legs.

So, I fully expect that the team will investigate EVERY avenue to upgrade the QB position... if not this year, then doing everything they can to flip resources to the 2023 draft to try again that year.  They might talk themselves into one of these QBs and fall prey to the classic NFL trap for teams without a QB.  Hopefully they don't.  But, I don't trust this group of coaches the way that I trusted the Pederson/Reich/DeFilippo group.  Sirianni was a WR coach.  Steichen is the only one that has the type of pedigree I would look for.  He was a QB coach with the Chargers.  Johnson is the current QB coach, and he's been the QB coach for a while, but before he got to the Eagles... only at the collegiate level, and the difference between QB at the college level and the NFL level is likely the greatest difference of any position in any sport moving from amateur to professional.  I can't trust Johnson the same way I trusted DeFilippo.  I could maybe trust Steichen the way I trusted Reich (though Reich's resume as a backup QB in the NFL for forever still tips the scales in his favor), and I can't trust Sirianni the same way I trusted Pederson... for a similar reason as Reich over Steichen.

 

We'll see what happens this offseason, and what happens this offseason will have long reaching implications for this franchise.  If they get it right, they could catapult themselves towards or into the top tier of the league... if they get it wrong, they are in danger of becoming the type of team that we laugh at.

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

No one has ever said Roman was a good interview though.

Agreed, and that might be why he was never hired.  But, it seems to me that there's always a window.  Strike while the iron is hot seems to be the way it goes.  

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They fell in love with senior bowl swag…

this comes down to I think the Eagles believe that they could get makeup for their mistake in Russell Wilson and make Jalen hurts make him into that type of player overtime. Meanwhile he’s not Russell Wilson. 

They tend to put a lot of stock in the Senior Bowl.   Graham was a stud at the Senior Bowl.  Tony Hunt.  Carson Wentz.  Jalen Hurts.   

 

So, we need to continue to watch the Senior Bowl process very closely.

57 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Literally every eagles fan on Twitter going on about josh Allen comp to hurts. First off Josh Allen has a elite arm so the comp starting there makes no sense. Second jalen hurts played in 56 college games in his career before getting to the nfl. Josh Allen had 27. So hurts played more than double the amount of games that josh Allen played in college. Furthermore hurts did it at Alabama and Oklahoma with some of the best coaching in the entire country. Allen was at Wyoming with nowhere close to that coaching and the jump from Wyoming to the nfl as compared to Oklahoma/Alabama is night and day. 

This comp to josh Allen’s development is completely ridiculous. hurts is only 23 but he played in 56 collegiate games which is a ton of games. He’s had way better coaching before hitting the nfl. And he has no where close to that arm talent. They aren’t remotely the same prospect. They had the same deficiency and that’s where it ends 

I would say that they had some similar deficiencies, but also had some very different deficiencies.  

Andrew Luck was the last QB drafted that was a "sure thing", and look how that turned out.

People comparing Hurts to Josh Allen is something else. Go watch 2 mins of Allen in college and let me know if there are any similarities other than the sport they are playing.

 

54 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You think that point needs to be proven?  Everyone with half a brain knows that....LOL.  (not counting a few in here).  You keep making it seem like there is some big box store Lowie can go to and get a QB.  

Are you trying to say no one is available?

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agree with the bolded.

 

I wasn't on board with Wentz when the team decided to move up to 2 to get him, but I gave the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt.  Almost every HC is tied to the QB position.  If the QB works out, the HC will last.  If not, they are usually blown out together.   The triumvirate of Pederson, Reich, and DeFilippo all were QBs and were the ones making this decision.  So, I trusted them.  And it worked out great... for a while.  And I was all on board - 100%.   (***I still think about what could have been without the ACL injury in 2017, which again might be a big reason I am against a QB designed run as a part of the game plan.  He wasn't even hit 'hard'... just awkwardly when the ACL/LCL injury occurred.  So the idea of Hurts being 'built different' or 'avoids the big hit' means nothing to me.  Wentz avoided the big contact... but left his legs exposed.  It's just a matter of time with Hurts before he gets hit the wrong way, and that risk rises every time he runs, because he won't get the same protections as being in the pocket and defensive players will look to 'make him pay' for running.***) 

But, what happened when Wentz started to turn sour?  The HC was gone... as well as the QB.  Very few HCs stick with a franchise if the QB position is a revolving door.  It just doesn't work.   Chip had 4 QBs start in his 3 years here... Vick, Foles, Bradford and Sanchez.  Rhodes during his 4 years... Cunningham, Peete, T. Detmer, Hoying, K. Detmer.   Andy lasted because he got McNabb and stuck with him from 1999 - 2009.  By that time, he'd proven himself, but from 2010 to 2012... they had 3 different QBs... Kolb, Vick, and Foles.  The result... he was gone.  

Sirianni won't last here as the HC if he doesn't have 'his' QB.  He came thinking it would be Wentz.  Then inherited Hurts and tried to fit the square peg into the round hole for half a season.  Then revamped the offense, beat up on the weak sisters of the poor teams and seemed to have turned a corner with his QB, only to have the truth exposed again in the playoffs by the Bucs - the only 'legit' team they had faced in nearly 10 weeks.   So, they can roll with Hurts... hope he can improve all these weaknesses (unlikely) and continue to beat up on the bad teams, and continue to look over matched by the top half of the league.  That's not good enough for this owner though.  He doesn't like being #12-18 in the NFL.  But, that's pretty much where Hurts puts you... until he loses his greatest strength, which is likely the first thing any QB loses... his legs.

So, I fully expect that the team will investigate EVERY avenue to upgrade the QB position... if not this year, then doing everything they can to flip resources to the 2023 draft to try again that year.  They might talk themselves into one of these QBs and fall prey to the classic NFL trap for teams without a QB.  Hopefully they don't.  But, I don't trust this group of coaches the way that I trusted the Pederson/Reich/DeFilippo group.  Sirianni was a WR coach.  Steichen is the only one that has the type of pedigree I would look for.  He was a QB coach with the Chargers.  Johnson is the current QB coach, and he's been the QB coach for a while, but before he got to the Eagles... only at the collegiate level, and the difference between QB at the college level and the NFL level is likely the greatest difference of any position in any sport moving from amateur to professional.  I can't trust Johnson the same way I trusted DeFilippo.  I could maybe trust Steichen the way I trusted Reich (though Reich's resume as a backup QB in the NFL for forever still tips the scales in his favor), and I can't trust Sirianni the same way I trusted Pederson... for a similar reason as Reich over Steichen.

 

We'll see what happens this offseason, and what happens this offseason will have long reaching implications for this franchise.  If they get it right, they could catapult themselves towards or into the top tier of the league... if they get it wrong, they are in danger of becoming the type of team that we laugh at.

Agreed, and that might be why he was never hired.  But, it seems to me that there's always a window.  Strike while the iron is hot seems to be the way it goes.  

I agree with you. I don’t think Jeffrey lurie and Howie Roseman are just gonna sit on their hands and go into next season not trying to be aggressive in the veteran quarterback market. It is the number one position that they value and they covet. So if there’s a player that they believe is on the market or in the draft that could be a franchise quarterback for them for now in the foreseeable future they will be aggressive in that.

That said I don’t see them being able to pull the trigger on a veteran quarterback. Unless Wilson and Watson make it perfectly clear they really want to come here. I’m not so sure that’s going to be the case and I’m not so sure some other teams won’t overpay where the value doesn’t match what the eagles are willing to pay. 

like you said the trust factor with  coaching staff  with developing a QB isn’t where i was with Frank and Doug. Because they don’t have nearly as much background that Doug and Frank Reich had in the league and at the particular position. My thought when they hired Doug and Frank was at least Carson would get some of the best knowledge about playing the position at the NFL level since both of those guys were in the league whether back up or starter for years and had a bunch of knowledge playing with some of the best QBs to ever do it. So that was huge in my opinion when they hired doug and Frank and then went all in on Carson. Even if they had to eventually fire Doug and remove Frank they were still going to help a young quarterback in his development as they been through it all in the NFL at the position. You really don’t have that on this coaching staff to that level. 

to me they really need to go to Nick Sirianni and ask him what quarterback does he want to go into the future with. If it’s hurts then that’s who he’s tied too. If it’s not then you try to be aggressive in getting the quarterback he does want. Because I need to see him doing the offense the way he ideally wants to do it to maximize his coaching ability long term. Not morphing it into something completely different just make it work for that year. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I would say that they had some similar deficiencies, but also had some very different deficiencies.  

Oh I let me rephrase  what I meant by that is they had accuracy deficiency coming out of college and that’s what ties people with Josh Allen and Jalen hurts. Meanwhile they are two different players but that makes people tie them together. 

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wasn't on board with Wentz when the team decided to move up to 2 to get him, but I gave the new coaching staff the benefit of the doubt.  Almost every HC is tied to the QB position.  If the QB works out, the HC will last.  If not, they are usually blown out together.   The triumvirate of Pederson, Reich, and DeFilippo all were QBs and were the ones making this decision.  So, I trusted them.  And it worked out great... for a while.  And I was all on board - 100%.   (***I still think about what could have been without the ACL injury in 2017, which again might be a big reason I am against a QB designed run as a part of the game plan.  He wasn't even hit 'hard'... just awkwardly when the ACL/LCL injury occurred.  So the idea of Hurts being 'built different' or 'avoids the big hit' means nothing to me.  Wentz avoided the big contact... but left his legs exposed.  It's just a matter of time with Hurts before he gets hit the wrong way, and that risk rises every time he runs, because he won't get the same protections as being in the pocket and defensive players will look to 'make him pay' for running.***) 

But, what happened when Wentz started to turn sour?  The HC was gone... as well as the QB.  Very few HCs stick with a franchise if the QB position is a revolving door.  It just doesn't work.   Chip had 4 QBs start in his 3 years here... Vick, Foles, Bradford and Sanchez.  Rhodes during his 4 years... Cunningham, Peete, T. Detmer, Hoying, K. Detmer.   Andy lasted because he got McNabb and stuck with him from 1999 - 2009.  By that time, he'd proven himself, but from 2010 to 2012... they had 3 different QBs... Kolb, Vick, and Foles.  The result... he was gone.  

Sirianni won't last here as the HC if he doesn't have 'his' QB.  He came thinking it would be Wentz.  Then inherited Hurts and tried to fit the square peg into the round hole for half a season.  Then revamped the offense, beat up on the weak sisters of the poor teams and seemed to have turned a corner with his QB, only to have the truth exposed again in the playoffs by the Bucs - the only 'legit' team they had faced in nearly 10 weeks.   So, they can roll with Hurts... hope he can improve all these weaknesses (unlikely) and continue to beat up on the bad teams, and continue to look over matched by the top half of the league.  That's not good enough for this owner though.  He doesn't like being #12-18 in the NFL.  But, that's pretty much where Hurts puts you... until he loses his greatest strength, which is likely the first thing any QB loses... his legs.

So, I fully expect that the team will investigate EVERY avenue to upgrade the QB position... if not this year, then doing everything they can to flip resources to the 2023 draft to try again that year.  They might talk themselves into one of these QBs and fall prey to the classic NFL trap for teams without a QB.  Hopefully they don't.  But, I don't trust this group of coaches the way that I trusted the Pederson/Reich/DeFilippo group.  Sirianni was a WR coach.  Steichen is the only one that has the type of pedigree I would look for.  He was a QB coach with the Chargers.  Johnson is the current QB coach, and he's been the QB coach for a while, but before he got to the Eagles... only at the collegiate level, and the difference between QB at the college level and the NFL level is likely the greatest difference of any position in any sport moving from amateur to professional.  I can't trust Johnson the same way I trusted DeFilippo.  I could maybe trust Steichen the way I trusted Reich (though Reich's resume as a backup QB in the NFL for forever still tips the scales in his favor), and I can't trust Sirianni the same way I trusted Pederson... for a similar reason as Reich over Steichen.

 

We'll see what happens this offseason, and what happens this offseason will have long reaching implications for this franchise.  If they get it right, they could catapult themselves towards or into the top tier of the league... if they get it wrong, they are in danger of becoming the type of team that we laugh at.

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t agree with you. I don’t think Jeffrey lurie and Howie Roseman are just gonna sit on their hands and go into next season not trying to be aggressive in the veteran quarterback market. It is the number one position that they value and they covet. So if there’s a player that they believe is on the market or in the draft that could be a franchise quarterback for them for now in the foreseeable future they will be aggressive in that.

That said I don’t see them being able to pull the trigger on a veteran quarterback. Unless Wilson and Watson make it perfectly clear they really want to come here. I’m not so sure that’s going to be the case and I’m not so sure some other teams won’t overpay where the value doesn’t match what the eagles are willing to pay. 

like you said the trust factor with  coaching staff  with developing a QB isn’t where i was with Frank and Doug. Because they don’t have nearly as much background that Doug and Frank Reich had in the league and at the particular position. My thought when they hired Doug and Frank was at least Carson would get some of the best knowledge about playing the position at the NFL level since both of those guys were in the league whether back up or starter for years and had a bunch of knowledge playing with some of the best QBs to ever do it. So that was huge in my opinion when they hired doug and Frank and then went all in on Carson. Even if they had to eventually fire Doug and remove Frank they were still going to help a young quarterback in his development as they been through it all in the NFL at the position. You really don’t have that on this coaching staff to that level. 

to me they really need to go to Nick Sirianni and ask him what quarterback does he want to go into the future with. If it’s hurts then that’s who he’s tied too. If it’s not then you try to be aggressive in getting the quarterback he does want. Because I need to see him doing the offense the way he ideally wants to do it to maximize his coaching ability long term. Not morphing it into something completely different just make it work for that year. 

Not sure what you read that you don't agree with.   Re-read the bolded.    "will investigate EVERY avenue to upgrade the QB position"

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who was ever a 'sure thing' coming out of the draft?

 

And I'm going to push back hard on the Hurts is already around #20 thing.  He's only #20 if you consider his running... and as you pointed out with the injury thing... that means limited longevity.  Hurts is closer to #30 if you go by his pure passing ability.   Yes, the running adds something... but it doesn't make up for the lack of passing when it actually matters most, like when the team is losing or in the playoffs.   Could Jalen Hurts have lead either drives that we saw from Mahomes or Allen in the end of the 4th quarter?   I don't think so. 

That’s the thing with Hurts.  Every time I want to bury him completely, he makes a good throw, albeit usually a first read.   He is inconsistent.  His delays in pulling the trigger are a huge part of that.  He needs a bit more of a gunslinger approach.  But his pocket awareness stinks. I marveled Sunday night at how little pocket Mahommes needs.  He made some beautiful throws from some very tight pockets.  I am not convinced that he can be fixed but I have always doubted that about him.  But unlike Wentz, I do think he accepts coaching. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Not sure what you read that you don't agree with.   Re-read the bolded.    "will investigate EVERY avenue to upgrade the QB position"

Yeah typo. It was supposed to say i agree with you. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

That’s the thing with Hurts.  Every time I want to bury him completely, he makes a good throw, albeit usually a first read.   He is inconsistent.  His delays in pulling the trigger are a huge part of that.  He needs a bit more of a gunslinger approach.  But his pocket awareness stinks. I marveled Sunday night at how little pocket Mahommes needs.  He made some beautiful throws from some very tight pockets.  I am not convinced that he can be fixed but I have always doubted that about him.  But unlike Wentz, I do think he accepts coaching. 

Accepting coaching and putting that coaching into practice aren't the same thing.   We keep seeing him leave perfect pockets, huge clean pockets.   So, yeah, he might 'accept the coaching', but if it doesn't manifest itself on the field, what's the difference?

 

And Wentz did accept the coaching, at least as we saw it play out on the field, in 2017 he was much better in these areas than he was in 2016.  After DeFilippo left, that changed.  Granted, there were reports that he didn't like the way DeFilippo coached him, but he did put it into use on the field.  That trio of Pederson/Reich/DeFilippo just worked with him.   When it was just Doug with Press Taylor and Mike Groh, it didn't.