12 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Nah if they go into 2022 with Hurts as QB1- they will force him in all year as long as healthy to preserve what ever percieved value they can possibly get for him in return. Just like Reagor and JJAW. They forced those guys into playing, even though Watkins and Ward were clearly better. 

Honestly this goes back to what I said at the start of this year. You either need Jalen hurts to be really good next year or really bad. Because if you’re somewhere in the middle you’re gonna be stuck exactly where you are this year in 2022 offseason as you are in the 2023 off-season. 

even if the Eagles get a 2023 first round pick and have 2 of them in 2023 that doesn’t mean you’re gonna just automatically get your quarterback. The quarterback market next year might not have anybody of interest. And then look at where you could pick. If Jalen hurts is just what he is this year and you finish somewhat similar (schedule currently isn’t overly hard). So you’re gonna have to move up from anywhere from 12 to 20 range. I’m guessing in that range there’s no a QB the eagles are head over heels about. So I’m guessing to secure the quarterback they covet they likely have to move up into the top 5 if not higher. The Niners had to give up three first round picks to go from 12 to 3. That doesn’t even buy them a guarantee that lance is even gonna be any good. That’s what move you possibly have to make next year. Then there Hass to be a team willing to move out of that spot that doesn’t want that quarterback. Or another team has a better deal  

Kempski and BLG actually said it great on their podcast just because you want a quarterback at that specific time does not mean you’re gonna be able to just acquire it at that time. You might wind up being where the Broncos are currently or the Bears who thought they were getting the quarterback when the rest of the team was ready and failed. 

13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Reflecting on 2017 and  SB52 this am. How is it we got lucky enough to not have to play Wilson, Rodgers or Brees in the playoffs in 17? nI mean we faced Matt RYan and Case Keenum. 

Had we faced any one of Rodgers, Brees or Wilson,  on a decent team that year in the playoffs? We would not have made it to the SB. 

The whole CG round was an anomaly. Besides Brady, the starting QB's were Bortles, Foles and Keenum. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The whole CG round was an anomaly. Besides Brady, the starting QB's were Bortles, Foles and Keenum. 

How dare you disrespect the great Blake bortles! 

 

57 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Accepting coaching and putting that coaching into practice aren't the same thing.   We keep seeing him leave perfect pockets, huge clean pockets.   So, yeah, he might 'accept the coaching', but if it doesn't manifest itself on the field, what's the difference?

 

And Wentz did accept the coaching, at least as we saw it play out on the field, in 2017 he was much better in these areas than he was in 2016.  After DeFilippo left, that changed.  Granted, there were reports that he didn't like the way DeFilippo coached him, but he did put it into use on the field.  That trio of Pederson/Reich/DeFilippo just worked with him.   When it was just Doug with Press Taylor and Mike Groh, it didn't.   

With Hurts and his tendencies in the pocket, I think that is habit.  Problem with halo in practice is breaking that habit.  Not sure he can.  But I think he will do as the team rebuilds.  This team is nowhere close to rebuilt. I wish I trusted Howie in his talent selection.  I don’t.  But I do believe the team will do their due diligence on QBs until they find a QB.  I think Hurts may well be the 2022 placeholder.  Not much out there available at QB to build a team around. Team is to hole riddled for Wilson or Rodgers to be a good investment.

I am curious about hunting potential dark horses. This is not a great year for it.  Let’s start with Sinnett, since he is on the roster.  Raw coming out of SDSU.  Only a year of starts.  Right size and decent arm.  The later round QBs this year seem to be Zappe and Glass.  Oladokun out of South Dakota State looked decent against lower level competition. Not a fan of his size and he may be more traveled than J T Daniels (another late round flyer - not a fan). There is Dustin Crum, a fifth year guy from Kent State.  Did not look great against larger schools but he does have an arm.   Bit smaller than I like.  We will get to see him in the Shrine game.  He may be my favorite of the late round/UDFA flyers.  

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly this goes back to what I said at the start of this year. You either need Jalen hurts to be really good next year or really bad. Because if you’re somewhere in the middle you’re gonna be stuck exactly where you are this year in 2022 offseason as you are in the 2023 off-season. 

even if the Eagles get a 2023 first round pick and have 2 of them in 2023 that doesn’t mean you’re gonna just automatically get your quarterback. The quarterback market next year might not have anybody of interest. And then look at where you could pick. If Jalen hurts is just what he is this year and you finish somewhat similar (schedule currently isn’t overly hard). So you’re gonna have to move up from anywhere from 12 to 20 range. I’m guessing in that range there’s no a QB the eagles are head over heels about. So I’m guessing to secure the quarterback they covet they likely have to move up into the top 5 if not higher. The Niners had to give up three first round picks to go from 12 to 3. That doesn’t even buy them a guarantee that lance is even gonna be any good. That’s what move you possibly have to make next year.

Kempski and BLG actually said it great on their podcast just because you want a quarterback at that specific time does not mean you’re gonna be able to just acquire it at that time. You might wind up being where the Broncos are currently or the Bears who thought they were getting the quarterback when the rest of the team was ready and failed. 

Yup, getting a QB in 2023 might as well be pie in the sky if the wrong teams get the top picks.

CAR and MIA were willing to pay any price for Burrow, but Cincy hung up the phone.

13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Reflecting on 2017 and  SB52 this am. How is it we got lucky enough to not have to play Wilson, Rodgers or Brees in the playoffs in 17? nI mean we faced Matt RYan and Case Keenum. 

Had we faced any one of Rodgers, Brees or Wilson,  on a decent team that year in the playoffs? We would not have made it to the SB. 

Not sure why you assert this.  ATL were the defending NFC champions, and Matt Ryan was NFL MVP the previous season.

Saints barely beat the Eagles in the 2018 playoffs in New Orleans, and wouldn't have if Brandon Graham scoops up Brees' fumble and makes it 21-0 or Jeffery catches a simple pass near their red zone as they're going into their annual choke mode.  Rodgers' and Wilson's teams weren't even good enough to be in the playoffs -- The QB is not the entire roster .... and Rodgers in the playoffs is not the Aaron Rodgers you see in the regular season. 

The Eagles were the best team in the NFL from Week 6 onwards and would not have been beaten in the playoffs that year.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly this goes back to what I said at the start of this year. You either need Jalen hurts to be really good next year or really bad. Because if you’re somewhere in the middle you’re gonna be stuck exactly where you are this year in 2022 offseason as you are in the 2023 off-season. 

even if the Eagles get a 2023 first round pick and have 2 of them in 2023 that doesn’t mean you’re gonna just automatically get your quarterback. The quarterback market next year might not have anybody of interest. And then look at where you could pick. If Jalen hurts is just what he is this year and you finish somewhat similar (schedule currently isn’t overly hard). So you’re gonna have to move up from anywhere from 12 to 20 range. I’m guessing in that range there’s no a QB the eagles are head over heels about. So I’m guessing to secure the quarterback they covet they likely have to move up into the top 5 if not higher. The Niners had to give up three first round picks to go from 12 to 3. That doesn’t even buy them a guarantee that lance is even gonna be any good. That’s what move you possibly have to make next year.

Next year isn't about Jalen Hurts and his development, that ship sailed this year. Sirianni didn't come here to put out a run first offense and have his QB run RPO's majority of the game. Taking on 3 1st round contracts in one year will put them in rough shape down the line, especially if they don't pan out. It is a much better use of resources to spread them out and try to trade out/down and pick up extra picks for 2023. As it stands now the Eagles only have 6 picks for 2023.

The plan doesn't guarantee they would get a top QB in the 2023 draft, but it 100% puts them in a better position to try to get one if they fall in love with a prospect.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

With Hurts and his tendencies in the pocket, I think that is habit.  Problem with halo in practice is breaking that habit.  Not sure he can.  But I think he will do as the team rebuilds.  This team is nowhere close to rebuilt. I wish I trusted Howie in his talent selection.  I don’t.  But I do believe the team will do their due diligence on QBs until they find a QB.  I think Hurts may well be the 2022 placeholder.  Not much out there available at QB to build a team around. Team is to hole riddled for Wilson or Rodgers to be a good investment.

I am curious about hunting potential dark horses. This is not a great year for it.  Let’s start with Sinnett, since he is on the roster.  Raw coming out of SDSU.  Only a year of starts.  Right size and decent arm.  The later round QBs this year seem to be Zappe and Glass.  Oladokun out of South Dakota State looked decent against lower level competition. Not a fan of his size and he may be more traveled than J T Daniels (another late round flyer - not a fan). There is Dustin Crum, a fifth year guy from Kent State.  Did not look great against larger schools but he does have an arm.   Bit smaller than I like.  We will get to see him in the Shrine game.  He may be my favorite of the late round/UDFA flyers.  

That's how all bad techniques go.  Its one of the reasons that Stoutland was able to coach up Mailata so quickly... he really didn't have to unteach or reteach.  He had no bad habits to break, he only had to be taught the proper techniques, and he was a quick study and hungry to learn (which also helps a ton!) 

 

I trust Howie about as far as I can throw Mailata.  

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yup, getting a QB in 2023 might as well be pie in the sky if the wrong teams get the top picks.

CAR and MIA were willing to pay any price for Burrow, but Cincy hung up the phone.

Yeah i tend to believe if a team like the lions or panthers are picking that high they aren’t trading out if stroud isn’t there. You really need a team like the jets or jags to be picking in that high who have their young Qb and want draft capital to build around him. It’s not a given the board falls that way. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Just heard a caller say Hurts is good and his WR's are bad. 

He went on to say because we dont have talent at the pass catching positions Hurts cant throw anticipation throws because the Pass catchers cant run routes correctly. 

what ever you are listening to, only makes you dumber for listening. I used to listen to WIP every day, i stopped listening, when we drafted McNabb and Angelo took the dirty 30 to NY to boo the pick. 

McNabb was the right pick at that time. The general Philly fan is an idiot

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Next year isn't about Jalen Hurts and his development, that ship sailed this year. Sirianni didn't come here to put out a run first offense and have his QB run RPO's majority of the game. Taking on 3 1st round contracts in one year will put them in rough shape down the line, especially if they don't pan out. It is a much better use of resources to spread them out and try to trade out/down and pick up extra picks for 2023. As it stands now the Eagles only have 6 picks for 2023.

The plan doesn't guarantee they would get a top QB in the 2023 draft, but it 100% puts them in a better position to try to get one if they fall in love with a prospect.

I’m not against trading back and getting 2023 picks. Here’s the problem you have to have a team willing to do that. Just because the eagles want that is not the same as there’s a team willing to give you the draft capital it takes to make that move.  

It takes two to tango. The Eagles might want to move out of a spot and teams say we’re not willing to give you our 2023 draft picks. As much as it would benefit the Eagles to do that it’s not an automatic that happens.

The Eagles in terms of where their draft pick was last year in 2021 had more of it advantage to do that. Because they were picking 6th overall. That pick was More value than a pick like 15th and likely better more coveted prospects. i’m not saying it’s impossible but I think it’s much harder this year as compared to last with that variable.

I actually don’t have the answer to this but I would love to know over the last 30 years team is picking at 15,16 or 19 when they have traded back, how many of them have acquired a first round pick and how far back did they have to move to acquire it? I’m only guessing but assume it is not many

What do you expect an Allen Robinson contract to look like?

50 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah i tend to believe if a team like the lions or panthers are picking that high they aren’t trading out if stroud isn’t there. You really need a team like the jets or jags to be picking in that high who have their young Qb and want draft capital to build around him. It’s not a given the board falls that way. 

Exactly. And what do you do if you can't get a QB in 2023? Waste another year and trade back again so you can try the 2024 draft lottery, hoping the same thing doesn't happen again? This is a vicious cycle to get stuck in with little to no control over its outcome.

If you can get a guy like Watson this year, get him no matter what.

If you believe there is a potential franchise QB in the 2022 draft, get him no matter what.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

This is a hilarious take. 

 

hurts does not posses the skillset to even come close to what ALlen has, even if we gave him 5 more years. AInt happening. 

 

It's a matter of skillset or Hurts lack there of. 

33 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Reflecting on 2017 and  SB52 this am. How is it we got lucky enough to not have to play Wilson, Rodgers or Brees in the playoffs in 17? nI mean we faced Matt RYan and Case Keenum. 

Had we faced any one of Rodgers, Brees or Wilson,  on a decent team that year in the playoffs? We would not have made it to the SB. 

No worries.  The league noted that on our Lombardi.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

No worries.  The league noted that on our Lombardi.

Funny, but you know there was some good mojo involved that we didn't have to face Rodgers, Brees or Wilson. 

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

What do you expect an Allen Robinson contract to look like?

I expect it to look not worth it

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

I think Rodgers , Wilson and Carr could all be on the move. .

I am not sure why the Raiders would move on from Carr unless they plan on drafting a QB or trading for Rodgers.  

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Funny, but you know there was some good mojo involved that we didn't have to face Rodgers, Brees or Wilson. 

Just some Brady guy in the Super Bowl.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A piece of paper, with letters and numbers..

 

 

Anyway, no thanks.  I don't want a FA WR that will be 29 by the time he plays another snap.  

No way - it's definitely just going to be a pdf document.  

6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Exactly. And what do you do if you can't get a QB in 2023? Waste another year and trade back again so you can try the 2024 draft lottery, hoping the same thing doesn't happen again? This is a vicious cycle to stuck in with little to no control over its outcome.

If you can get a guy like Watson this year, get him no matter what.

If you believe there is a potential franchise QB in the 2022 draft, get him no matter what.

That’s why I’ve been a proponent if they truly love a quarterback, their evaluation is he’s gonna be a franchise quarterback now and into the future, and they really covet him then go get him. Don’t dick around and hope and assume that next year you’re gonna be able to get that quarterback.  Because things might go sideways and you’re left saying the same thing next year  

That said I also don’t force the issue if I don’t feel that way.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Funny, but you know there was some good mojo involved that we didn't have to face Rodgers, Brees or Wilson. 

There aren't any dominant teams anymore.  Every champion can point to some mojo (or cheating) that got them over the top.