9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I would never start one of my mocks with a double dip in OL. But in the end,  I kind of love this mock. 

https://phillysportsnetwork.com/2022/01/27/eagles-mock-4/

Kenyon Green is good.  I am not sold that we need to replace Kelce with a Kelce type clone.  I think Dickerson and Seumalo would probably both be better options than even an athletic rookie like Linderbaum.  I am concerned that Seumalo's injury may significantly impact his career.  Lisfranc injuries impact players for long times.  I think there's a good chance Seumalo is not going to be the same player when he gets back next season.  He is also aging.   Drafting Kenyon Green still gives you flexibility with Dickerson if Kelce retires.  Opeta and Driscoll were OK and may develop into good starters.  Kelce hasn't retired and Linderbaum doesn't seem to have position versatility to move to OG.  There's bigger needs at other positions like CB where there should be talent available at 15.  

I don't think the team is trading Sanders.  I like the Watson pick. 

47 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

For the Hurts Washers - And the  Bengals dont have the Oline we have here. WHat they do have is a franchise QB.

 

 

Outside of OL and Goedert, there isn't a position group the Eagles have that is better than the Bengals.  I'd argue that DT and CB are a push.

QB- Burrow>Hurts

RB- Mixon/Perine>Sanders/Scott/Howard/Gainwell

WR- Chase/Boyd/Higgins>Smith/Reagor/Watkins

DE- Hendrickson/Hubbard>Sweat/Barnett

LB-Wilson/Pratt> Edwards/Singleton

S- Bell/Bates>McLeod/Harris

 

 

Just now, austinfan said:

Bengals started their rebuild in 2016. Five straight years of missing the playoffs.

2014:  Hopkins G (UDFA)

2015:  Uzomah TE (157)

2016:  Boyd WR (55)

2017:  [Ross WR (9) whiff], Mixon RB (48), Tupou DT (UDFA)

2018:  [Price C (21)], Bates S (54), Hubbard DE (71)

2019:  Williams G (11), Sample TE (52), Pratt LB (72), Jordan G (136)

2020:  Burrow QB (1), Higgins WR (33), Wilson LB (65), Adeniji OL (180), Bailey LB (215)

2021:  Chase WR (5), Hill C (190)

12/6/19  claimed Prince G off waivers (sat out 2020)

3/6/20:  Bell SS 3yr/$18M

3/20:  signed D.J. Reader DT 4yr/$53M

3/27/20 signed Waynes CB 3yr/$42M

11/2/20  claimed Spain G off waivers

3/19/21 signed Ogunjobi DT 1yr/$6.2M

3/19/21 signed Awuzie CB 3yr/$21.8M

3/19/21 signed Hendrickson DE 4yr/$60M

3/19/21 signed Hilton to 4yr/$24M

3/19/21 signed Reiff RT 1yr/$7.5M

3/23/21 signed Apple CB, 1yr/$1.2M

8/30/21  B.J Hill C for Price

 

Nice research. They were 4-11-1 just a year ago. Something/someone may have helped that rebuild drastically accelerate. 

43 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Kobe Bryant did worse, hired a crisis management team, then became a legend.

Stranger things have happened.

 

Kobe raped one woman, Watson over 20.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can not think of a worse schematic fit than Jimmy G in a Leftwich offense.

FYP

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Jimmy G to Oakland, Carr to Philly, Hurts to the Redskins. Bear, Beats, Battle start galactica 

Are you exiling him to a city without an NFL team as punishment?

 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Bengals started their rebuild in 2016. Five straight years of missing the playoffs.

So the fact that they drafted well and kept guys from their drafts, signed FA's that are long term contributors made it a rebuild ??  What about teams that continually draft well, are they continually rebuilding ??

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Gotta say, I must be getting old. The diamonds and Gold oversized bling of His initials and the number 9, with a Nike Swoosh? turns me off a bit - it makes me question him. That may sound unfair to younger people, but that is a clear sign of a "look at me" personality, a self cenetered narcissist. Reminds me of Cam Netwons fashion shows. It's one thing to look good. IThis goes beyond that. 

 

 

 

Looks good to me. I'd trade Hurts for him in a second

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Bengals started their rebuild in 2016. Five straight years of missing the playoffs.

2014:  Hopkins G (UDFA)

2015:  Uzomah TE (157)

2016:  Boyd WR (55)

2017:  [Ross WR (9) whiff], Mixon RB (48), Tupou DT (UDFA)

2018:  [Price C (21)], Bates S (54), Hubbard DE (71)

2019:  Williams G (11), Sample TE (52), Pratt LB (72), Jordan G (136)

2020:  Burrow QB (1), Higgins WR (33), Wilson LB (65), Adeniji OL (180), Bailey LB (215)

2021:  Chase WR (5), Hill C (190)

12/6/19  claimed Prince G off waivers (sat out 2020)

3/6/20:  Bell SS 3yr/$18M

3/20:  signed D.J. Reader DT 4yr/$53M

3/27/20 signed Waynes CB 3yr/$42M

11/2/20  claimed Spain G off waivers

3/19/21 signed Ogunjobi DT 1yr/$6.2M

3/19/21 signed Awuzie CB 3yr/$21.8M

3/19/21 signed Hendrickson DE 4yr/$60M

3/19/21 signed Hilton to 4yr/$24M

3/19/21 signed Reiff RT 1yr/$7.5M

3/23/21 signed Apple CB, 1yr/$1.2M

8/30/21  B.J Hill C for Price

 

3/1/1968 - Paul Brown founds the Bengals as part of the AFL 

10 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If they do decide to stay with Hurts moving forward, the ceiling for this team is basically what San Francisco did this year. You want to try to rebuild a defense, maintain a good run game, and feed your very good tight end. I do think Goedert will make the jump next season into the top tier section of tight ends. 
 

But in the end, just as the case was with San Fran, you need very good to elite QB play to get you over the hump. And theirs crapped his pants when they needed him most. And for what it’s worth, I think Garoppolo is a better QB than Hurts. 

SF didn't need good QB play, they just need routine QB play. Garoppolo should be a better QB than Hurts RIGHT NOW, given this was his 8th year in the league.

And no, Burrow doesn't have great arm strength, anyone who watched him this post-season can see that, he's very accurate and finds his open receiver, it also helped that he was throwing to Chase, Higgins and Boyd, as well as Uzomah/Sample and has a top RB in Mixon. But he wasn't flinging fastballs.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

In theory I agree, but the Texans are acting like Watson is a perfect asset.

And you expect them to act differently? Welcome to sales 101

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Bengals started their rebuild in 2016. Five straight years of missing the playoffs.

2014:  Hopkins G (UDFA)

2015:  Uzomah TE (157)

2016:  Boyd WR (55)

2017:  [Ross WR (9) whiff], Mixon RB (48), Tupou DT (UDFA)

2018:  [Price C (21)], Bates S (54), Hubbard DE (71)

2019:  Williams G (11), Sample TE (52), Pratt LB (72), Jordan G (136)

2020:  Burrow QB (1), Higgins WR (33), Wilson LB (65), Adeniji OL (180), Bailey LB (215)

2021:  Chase WR (5), Hill C (190)

12/6/19  claimed Prince G off waivers (sat out 2020)

3/6/20:  Bell SS 3yr/$18M

3/20:  signed D.J. Reader DT 4yr/$53M

3/27/20 signed Waynes CB 3yr/$42M

11/2/20  claimed Spain G off waivers

3/19/21 signed Ogunjobi DT 1yr/$6.2M

3/19/21 signed Awuzie CB 3yr/$21.8M

3/19/21 signed Hendrickson DE 4yr/$60M

3/19/21 signed Hilton to 4yr/$24M

3/19/21 signed Reiff RT 1yr/$7.5M

3/23/21 signed Apple CB, 1yr/$1.2M

8/30/21  B.J Hill C for Price

 

Yes the Bengals after the 2015 season where they went 12-4 decided you know what? We have 12 wins this year, let’s start a rebuild in 2016. Are you serious here?

Just because they declined after 2015 does not mean they started a rebuild in 2016.  They didn’t go into 2016 offseason saying you know what we need to do a complete rebuild. And he definitely didn’t do it in 2017 either because marvin Lewis was discussing them being a playoff team after a down year and thinking they could win playoff games with that roster. 

I can definitely tell you after winning 12 games in 2015 they weren’t like you know what we should do a complete rebuild of the roster. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can not think of a worse schematic fit than Jimmy G in an Arians offense.

If the Saints had any cap room Garoppolo would likely be going there.  Instead he'll likely end up in PIT or WFT.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Kobe raped one woman, Watson over 20.

Watson raped them?

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Fun stat, while we are discussing Mcnabb.  Mcnabb has played the 3rd most playoff games, all time, of any QB to not win the SB...after Marino and Kelly.

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So the fact that they drafted well and kept guys from their drafts, signed FA's that are long term contributors made it a rebuild ??  What about teams that continually draft well, are they continually rebuilding ??

Drafted well? They missed on their 9th and 21st pick in a five year period. Then had two good drafts, partially b/c they picked #1 and #11, and got Chase at #5.

They added two high priced FAs, Reader and Hendrickson, and a third got hurt, Waynes.

Otherwise they depended on late rd picks, second tier FAs, UDFAs, waiver wire pickups and SFAs.

And they were 10-7, they weren't a juggernaut by any means.

39 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

So why is ours a 7 year rebuild like some suggest?

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes the Bengals after the 2015 season where they went 12-4 decided you know what? We have 12 wins this year, let’s start a rebuild in 2016. Are you serious here?

Just because they declined after 2015 does not mean they started a rebuild in 2016.  They didn’t go into 2016 offseason saying you know what we need to do a complete rebuild. And he definitely didn’t do it in 2017 either because marvin Lewis was discussing them being a playoff team after a down year and thinking they could win playoff games with that roster. 

I can definitely tell you after winning 12 games in 2015 they weren’t like you know what we should do a complete rebuild of the roster. 

After the 2016 collapse (isn't that similar to 2020 here?) they were drafting high and had a chance to add top talent, but blew the 2017 draft. They pretty much underachieved in the 2018 draft as well. They didn't draft well until 2019, and started adding FAs in 2020.

So if you want to say they started rebuilding in 2019, well, then Howie started rebuilding this season.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

SF didn't need good QB play, they just need routine QB play. Garoppolo should be a better QB than Hurts RIGHT NOW, given this was his 8th year in the league.

And no, Burrow doesn't have great arm strength, anyone who watched him this post-season can see that, he's very accurate and finds his open receiver, it also helped that he was throwing to Chase, Higgins and Boyd, as well as Uzomah/Sample and has a top RB in Mixon. But he wasn't flinging fastballs.

I mean, sure, Burrow doesn't have that effortless flick of the wrist and launch the ball 80 yards like Allen or Herbert; but he has more than adequate strength to make any given throw, and his deep accuracy is phenomenal. He had a 9.0 average air yards per attempt this year, which is good. Hurts for comparison was 7.1. 

Further, you'll likely bring up QBR, which Burrow had 54.3 to Hurts 48.6. Of course, this factors in running, which should render the stat essentially moot. Burrow averaged 288 yards per game to Hurts 210, threw 34 TDs to Hurts 16 in only one more game played. To think they had only that small a difference in QBR when the actual passing numbers are that different further highlights just how bad a passer Hurts is. 

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

it also helped that he was throwing to Chase, Higgins and Boyd, as well as Uzomah/Sample and has a top RB in Mixon.

Why is that ??  Why isn't he throwing to Reagor, JJAWful, Watkins ??

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

So the fact that they drafted well and kept guys from their drafts, signed FA's that are long term contributors made it a rebuild ??  What about teams that continually draft well, are they continually rebuilding ??

What makes it more amazing is that the Bengals in 2015 went 12-4. So you’re telling me after a 12 win season with Marvin Lewis as the head coach the Bengals (4 straight 10+ win seasons) they decided we’re gonna do a rebuild starting in the 2016 offseason and not try to add on to make the team even better. really you can make the case they really didn’t brace the full rebuild until they fired Marvin Lewis and went with Taylor after the 2018 season. The 2018 season was the year they realized they were truly done with that team. 2016 and 2017 they were still trying to get back into the playoffs because I thought the roster was good enough. They just so happened to not be that good. They weren’t planning on rebuilding at that point or being bad

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

After the 2016 collapse (isn't that similar to 2020 here?) they were drafting high and had a chance to add top talent, but blew the 2017 draft. They pretty much underachieved in the 2018 draft as well. They didn't draft well until 2019, and started adding FAs in 2020.

So if you want to say they started rebuilding in 2019, well, then Howie started rebuilding this season.

Just because they declined and they weren’t as good as the previous 4-5 years in 2016 and 2017 does not mean they were fully committed to a rebuild. Yes you have draft picks so does every team where they add that way. They have salary cap money every team adds pieces. That’s not a rebuild if you still believe you’re a playoff caliber team and you’re trying to get into the playoffs. They were not committed to doing a complete rebuild. It’s why marvin Lewis didn’t get fired until after the 2018 season. Because after the 2018 season they realized they were not close to playoff team anymore and they needed to do a rebuild.  they weren’t paying Marvin Lewis to do a rebuild

Which I have said howie didn’t start the complete rebuild until 2021 offseason. I’ve said that before. Howie even said we were going to do a rebuild in the 2020 off-season then we saw the division add 3 new head coaches in a pandemic so we decided we were going for the division instead. They had a press conference where he said that. So yes I don’t think they started to really fully commit to a rebuild until the 2021 off-season.

 after the 2019 season I sat there and said they need to do a complete rebuild because the core of this team is not good enough anymore and what you have currently in terms of young players isn’t good enough of a core to be a Super Bowl contender. I got plenty of flak for it on the blog as i got a lot of our window is still open for 2-3 more years. It turns out that’s what they should have done was started a rebuild in 2020.

Strong Matt Patricia vibes here