1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not sure if you're still going by his NFL scouting reports from when he was drafted but Burrow worked on his mechanics last off-season and increased his throwing velocity.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/6/3/22466444/joe-burrows-arm-looks-much-stronger

"That only confirmed what Tyler Boyd said about Burrow’s arm being stronger and his passes causes a "stinging” sensation in receivers’ hands."

 

Just because a QB chooses not to throw "bullets" on every throw doesn't necessarily translate to him "not having a strong arm".   Burrow can throw an accurate ball 60+ yards.  No "arm strength" issues there, imo. 

Burrow is also two years older than Hurts. And his arm may be stronger, but I wouldn't call it "strong," he depends on anticipation and touch, not throwing bullets through tight windows.

Hurts 8/7/98

Burrow 10/10/96

Both were graduate QBs at a new school who emerged after struggling in their college careers.

Now am I saying Hurts = Burrow. Of course not. But it's a little early in Hurts' career to assume he can't make any improvements.

Watching Garopollo, he doesn't have a better arm than Hurts, and certainly lacks his running ability, which helped Burrow and Mahomes in the post-season.

Yet he's 25-12 the last three seasons in SF, his backups are 4-8. And almost got SF to the SB. He's 4-2 in the playoffs. Intangibles matter. Lance is more talented, but let's see him win something before anointing him as the better QB - potential is a dirty word.

Hurts doesn't have to make a quantum leap, improve his mechanics, improve his decision making, get him better weapons than Reagor and Sanders/Scott as his primary RBs.

 

If Lurie is on a 5 year plan, sticking with Hurts in year 2 makes sense, if he improves, you're set, if not, you get a good draft pick that can be used to trade up or for a better QB.

What I'd want for the offense this offseason:  power back, possession WR, H-back/TE, OL depth. Don't even have to use a 1st, maybe the 2nd, 3rd/4th, 5th, and a second tier FA or two.

And shore up the defense so they can slow down good offenses - you don't have to stop them, just keep games within reach, and hold them to FGs instead of TDs in the red zone.

And get a better punter and punt returner. STs matter in close games.

 

34 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I suggest you read the stories of David Milgaard and Guy Paul Morin (perhaps two of Canada's most famous cases, I'm sure there's tons in the USA as well). 

I like a society in which the rule of law works as intended. 

 

If it was one or two accusations but there are over 20.   You're in denial if you don't think he did anything just because you want him as the Eagles QB. 

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

OBJ is an interesting story.  Both the Giants and Browns couldn't get anywhere with him but he seems to have found his stride with the Rams. 

Let's see how he is next year if the Rams have a Super Bowl hangover. OBJ is fine as long as his team is rolling.

2 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Let's see how he is next year if the Rams have a Super Bowl hangover. OBJ is fine as long as his team is rolling.

Under the assumption obj and von Miller are both back next year. Currently the rams are 8 mil over the cap in 2022 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Under the assumption obj and von Miller are both back next year. Currently the rams are 8 mil over the cap in 2022 

Stafford has a 23 million cap hit, but no guaranteed money left.  Reworking his deal will be an easy remedy for this.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Stafford has a 23 million cap hit, but no guaranteed money left.  Reworking his deal will be an easy remedy for this.

I’m guessing Stafford wants a new deal so could lower his cap but you also pay for it in future years as he’s 34. I don’t see them bringing back both miller and obj unless Miller takes a paycut and obj i am guessing someone is going to give obj a nice contract. so the rams could match it but also have one of their starting corners they need to re-sign. And whittworth could also likely retire. I don’t think that team comes back the same next year. Still likely a strong contender cause the nfc stinks if Brady retires and rodgers is dealt to an afc team. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This is categorically NOT True!  Just because Hurts might be able to heave the ball downfield as far or maybe farther than Jimmy G, doesn't mean he has a "BETTER" arm.  Being able to make passes into tight windows with zip, mechanics, accuracy, platform, consistency, spiral, anticipation, touch.  

 

Those are all factors that one should keep in mind when talking about a QB's "Arm Talent".  Hurts falls short on pretty much every single attribute, except maybe he can heave it farther than Jimmy.  Hurts has to heave a 20 yard out.  Jimmy doesn't.  

 

Lurie better not be on a "5 year plan".  The rest of the NFL isn't. 

-Cincy was the worst team in the NFL two years ago.  Had the #1 overall pick, now in the big game. 

-San Fran was 4-12 in 2018-2019.  They went to the SB in 2020...and just missed it this year. 

-The Rams were 4-12 in 2016 and made the Super Bowl in 2018 and are back again in 2021 with a different QB.  

- Tampa was 5-11 in 2018 and won the Super Bowl in 2020.  

 

Point is, they aren't on a 5 year plan.  No one believes that.  Hurts fan boys hope/want them to be on a 5 year plan, for ulterior motives.  Just as much as they try to convince themselves that Hurts will somehow become a good passer of the football.    

If we're in a "5 year plan", I'm out. I'm not watching this horse crap for 4 more years.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean, yeah, he doesn't have any conviction of rape on his record, as far as I know. 

It's fun to sort of paint Ben in that light, but the first accusation against him seems tenuous at best:

"Both Roethlisberger and Harrah's denied the allegations. In August 2009, a former coworker of McNulty's claimed in an affidavit that McNulty had bragged about sleeping with Roethlisberger after their encounter. In September 2009, McNulty's lawyer offered to drop the suit if Roethlisberger would admit that he had assaulted McNulty, donate $100,000 to a Reno charity for abused women, and write a letter of apology; Roethlisberger's lawyer called the offer "bizarre" and rejected it. The case was settled out of court in January 2012. After the civil complaint was filed, the NFL took no action."

The second one certainly had more meat to it, as the victim actually filed a police report and had several witnesses (though they were her friends); but ultimately they decided not to proceed with criminal charges because it would be too intrusive on their life. Far be it from me to understand a rape victim's mindset, but here's the DA's statement:

"On April 12, 2010, the Baldwin County district attorney held a press conference to announce that he would not pursue criminal charges against Roethlisberger, saying, "[H]ad [the accuser] not written and taken that position, the victim, her family, and her lawyers, that they did not want us to prosecute the matter at all—and they made it crystal clear in the letter—an honest answer is I would still be announcing the same result. We, based on the evidence here, don't have enough evidence to prosecute."

On the balance of probabilities, he's likely guilty in the 2nd encounter. But, we say that without all the evidence coming to light, which is the accuser's right. So at the end of the day, Ben is indeed innocent of rape.  

First one definitely sounds iffy.

Second one sounds like a lot of sexual assault cases where the victim either doesn't come forward or drops charges due to not wanting to be dragged through the mud.

There are alot of negative stigmas around sexual assault cases, women and men already feel victimized and don't want to further be re- victimized by media ,friends, perp ect...

It's a sad reality but most sexual assault cases without an eye witness or substantial forensic evidence it comes down to he said she said and even in the instance there are eye witnesses like the Stanford kid those cases still take a lot to get a conviction.

So yes in the eyes of the law he is technically innocent of rape, in the eyes of the public, at least those who pay attention, not so much.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And whittworth could also likely retire. I don’t think that team comes back the same next year.   

That alone saves 15.5 million with 1.6 dead.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

That alone saves 15.5 million with 1.6 dead.

I think the backup LT (Notebloom), the starting RG and C are also free agents, typically not a great situation for a team with no premium draft picks... but the cap is a fairly flexible , when you can have dummy years stretching into the far future.

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

That alone saves 15.5 million with 1.6 dead.

Still have to replace him. He’s playing a pretty good level for his age and position. that’s going to cost money as they lack draft picks to just rely on them. Even his backup noteboom is a free agent. Their starting RG Corbett is also a free agent. Williams their other starting corner is a free agent. Starting linebacker Reeder is a free agent. Obj is a free agent. And Miller is a free agent. They have a lot of guys who are free agents who start and loss of draft picks. They literally have a 5th and 2 7th in the 2022 draft according to sporting news (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/rams-draft-picks-2022-full-list-matthew-stafford-von-miller-trades/1o7w3vrkcixt7128jq8bni7oiq).

Maybe they pay obj and Miller then you are potentially down 2 starters on the oline and your top backup with minimal draft picks. So spent on a WR who’s likely the 2nd best on team likely a hefty contract due to his market in FA  (plus he lost a ton getting paid in Bitcoin so I’m guessing he’d like to make it up) and a 33 year old von Miller who likely wants one last payday. at some point isn’t enough to fix all those holes and make tough decisions. They went all in this year and got obj on a nice one year contract after being released by cleveland. It’s not a given that team is nearly as good next year or constructed to have as much talent due to FAs and lack of picks. 

Tbh if whitworth retires if I’m the rams i use that money and stafford’s new deal lowering his cap to go after Armstead in free agency over OBJ and Miller for the money. Stafford at 34 i want to protect him as much as possible. I can live with woods, kupp and van Jefferson at WR with cam Akers back fully next year. Outside of Armstead the drop off is Orlando brown and Duane brown (neither played close to the level of whitworth this year— brown could be a cheap option but he’s 37-38 so he might fall off a cliff. Then you are looking at guys like reiff, Fisher, cam robinson and Nate solder

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

The choices for the Eagles are move on now or later.  I am not really in favor of moving on now for any of the current rookie prospects.  I think the team would just be sinking resources into a player they would need to move on from down the road.  The worst case scenario for this team would be Howie falling in love with some prospect this season and trading up to get him.  The other way to move on from him would be to trade for another QB.  To me, the only QBs that are worth trading for are Wilson and Watson.  I am do not like the risk with Watson.  I think his off field behavior and actions to the FO make him too much of a liability.  I don't think Wilson is worth 3 firsts but probably could reconsider that position at this point.  The reason the Eagles should keep Hurts is because he's a low cost starter that doesn't cost the resources needed to improve the roster.  

I thought he was trying to say it in a joking manner but couldn't veil his real feelings.  I don't know what it means for him as a head coach. 

I initially didn't like any rookie QB prospects either and was of the same opinion of sticking with hurts for one more year but I really like what I've seen from Carson Strong.

If he passes his medicals and performs well at all the post season testing and that he could really rise up draft boards, if he were around at eagles first pick I'd have to seriously consider him.

He's got the arm talent to succeed in the NFL, he's got prototypical size at 6'4" and he seems coachable, no character issues or red flags other than the knee, but if that checks out I think he's a great QB prospect

 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Just like you looked the other way and pounded the table for Joe Mixon.

Punching a girl at a bar when one is 18 years old is a bit different than being accused of sexual assault by 20+ women 

If Mixon wasn't caught on tape no one would care.

Now how would you feel if Watson was caught on tape even once?

53 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s as odd as someone who doesn’t want to see my responses, tells me to put them on ignore, rather than putting me on ignore.   
 

 

Wow you lasted a whole day, impressed 😒

All the way the HELL OUT on this guy 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

All the way the HELL OUT on this guy 

Just came here to post this. Big yikes.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All the way the HELL OUT on this guy 

Go get his jersey; it's a lock.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I was able to do that when I was younger.  I can't anymore.  Probably from giving thumbs up, so many times over the years.  

I can do this literally today, and Pickett is so full of crap it's coming out of his ears. This guy is going to Washington, no Fing doubt in my mind

5 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

You ever watch the Planet Earth stuff? 

I actually got the whole Trials of Life VHS set when I was a kid. 

My goodness gracious. 

 

29 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This is categorically NOT True!  Just because Hurts might be able to heave the ball downfield as far or maybe farther than Jimmy G, doesn't mean he has a "BETTER" arm.  Being able to make passes into tight windows with zip, mechanics, accuracy, platform, consistency, spiral, anticipation, touch.  

 

Those are all factors that one should keep in mind when talking about a QB's "Arm Talent".  Hurts falls short on pretty much every single attribute, except maybe he can heave it farther than Jimmy.  Hurts has to heave a 20 yard out.  Jimmy doesn't.  

 

Lurie better not be on a "5 year plan", because the rest of the NFL isn't. 

-Cincy was the worst team in the NFL two years ago.  Had the #1 overall pick, now in the big game. 

-San Fran was 4-12 in 2018-2019.  They went to the SB in 2020...and just missed it this year. 

-The Rams were 4-12 in 2016 and made the Super Bowl in 2018 and are back again in 2021 with a different QB.  

- Tampa was 5-11 in 2018 and won the Super Bowl in 2020.  

 

Point is, they aren't on a 5 year plan.  No one believes that.  Hurts fan boys hope/want them to be on a 5 year plan, for ulterior motives.  Just as much as they try to convince themselves that Hurts will somehow become a good passer of the football.    

I think the 5 year plan is said in hopes of seeing Hurts after he finishes his rookie seasons. 

ManuManu’s day 3 TE prospect of the day. 

Some love for one of my top safeties  , got him behind Hill , ahead of McKinley , 123 

 

 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Yup, Reid didn't throw McNabbs 3 Ints in that game.

No, but Reid was responsible for that weak receiving corp (minus TO) and not having another back to go along with Westbrook.