2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I think the 5 year plan is said in hopes of seeing Hurts after he finishes his rookie seasons. 

We are just going to go with he hasn’t finished his rookie contract then. 

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

No, but Reid was responsible for that weak receiving corp (minus TO) and not having another back to go along with Westbrook. 

I can't wait to have a QB some day that we don't have to make a million excuses for. It's every single damn one.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All the way the HELL OUT on this guy 

This has to be one of the weirdest excuses I've ever heard.

It's been speculated for some time that he has small hands so when the chance comes for him to prove otherwise he bipasses that opportunity and says he did so because he has double jointed thumbs???

And then doubled down and is doing" exercises" so he can get a better measurement???

Exactly what are these exercises???;

 

23 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Year 1 was that mess with Wentz. 

Year 2 was this year

Year 3 will be next year with Hurts(ewwW)

Year 4 will be with a rookie QB or Hurts(ewww0

So year 5 will be the make or break year. Either have an elite sophomore QB(rebuild over) or we go back to Step 2. 

I said it on here, said it a lot actually. We're going to be in QB purgatory for the foreseeable future. 

This was year 1, now going on year 2. Lurie made his comments about rebuilding after firing DP which was the end of last season. He specifically stated one of the reasons DP was let go was because it wasn't fair to keep him around when he still had a win now mindset.

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Punching a girl at a bar when one is 18 years old is a bit different than being accused of sexual assault by 20+ women 

If Mixon wasn't caught on tape no one would care.

Now how would you feel if Watson was caught on tape even once?

If you're taking the moral high ground and not wanting players with any off field issues, then you really can't say no to Watson but yes to Mixon, Hill, Hunt, etc. 

You continue to presume Watson is guilty, but he isn't, yet. 20 accusers certainly looks bad, but it doesn't mean he's guilty. You've just decided he is, for reasons. 

He may very well be guilty, he may be completely innocent, my guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I'm not the one proclaiming him fully innocent, whereby you have already determined he is guilty, just because of the number of accusers. It's pretty obvious you're somebody the prosecution would love to have on a jury. 

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I can't wait to have a QB some day that we don't have to make a million excuses for. It's every single damn one.

It's true though lol 

I mean I'm not saying Donovan doesn't take some blame, but Pinkston, Glew, Freddie, LJ? That's just 🤮

Off the top of my head, Reid could've had Witten and Wayne instead of Freddie and LJ. I mean Reid was smarter than everyone. We are still making these moronic mistakes to this day. Two hall of famers right there we passed on. You swap out LJ and Freddie for Wayne and Witten, I think we have a much better chance of winning. Much much better. 

2 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I know that. Maybe get one?

Easier said than done.  How long has Cleveland been looking for one?

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Some love for one of my top safeties  , got him behind Hill , ahead of McKinley , 123 

I didn't see him play deep very much, so I think of him as a SS.  He's from the Big 12.  And his name is Jalen.

Despite these things he really flies around and and gets in on plays, so I like him.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

😄  You believe that as a reason they fired Doug?  I can't believe anyone believed that BS.  And if they did then that just shows how inept Lowie has become. 

You don't have believe it but it doesn't change that the first we heard the FO say anything specific about a rebuild was during that PC.

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

No, but Reid was responsible for that weak receiving corp (minus TO) and not having another back to go along with Westbrook. 

Buckhalter got hurt again and as said didn't really matter as fraley was getting abused all game.

That weak WR corp didn't seem to keep them from winning in the season or playoffs and wasn't the reason they lost the super bowl. 

That team was pretty stacked, and Instead if laying blame at McNabb you'd rather lay the blame in Reid for not assembling a strong enough roster???

Like I said the roster wasnt the problem the execution from McNabb, Reid, Fraley, the defense inability to cover branch were all bigger culprits than the roster that dominated in the season and led the team to the super bowl.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

I didn't see him play deep very much, so I think of him as a SS.  He's from the Big 12.  And his name is Jalen.

Despite these things he really flies around and and gets in on plays, so I like him.

He has played all over the secondary , time in the slot , played olb in their 34

As versatile as you can get  

Kennedy Brooks

Rashaad White

Abraham Smith 

In order favorite RBs 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

For those who discussed afan being a troll yesterday, this is another exhibit of trolling.  Make ludicrous statement, and then not respond to any of the 5 or 6 folks who have a different opinion.

That's not really trolling, that's not engaging in discussion.  There's a difference.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts is the alternate alternate 

Oh snap.  Hurts wasn't even first alternate.  

 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Buckhalter got hurt again and as said didn't really matter as fraley was getting abused all game.

That weak WR corp didn't seem to keep them from winning in the season or playoffs and wasn't the reason they lost the super bowl. 

That team was pretty stacked, and Instead if laying blame at McNabb you'd rather lay the blame in Reid for not assembling a strong enough roster???

Like I said the roster wasnt the problem the execution from McNabb, Reid, Fraley, the defense inability to cover branch were all bigger culprits than the roster that dominated in the season and led the team to the super bowl.

I'm not absolving anyone really. There were multiple issues like ones you mentioned. I'm just saying our receivers were notoriously bad and Reid just had to fire away all the time. If you want to fire away you gotta get better receivers. Reid loved and committed to these average to below average guys for years. Made no sense. We lost Buck in training camp that year, they should have traded for a better option. They had time to get that figured out. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

And you expect them to act differently? Welcome to sales 101

Yup.  Texans are in used car salesman mode.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If you're taking the moral high ground and not wanting players with any off field issues, then you really can't say no to Watson but yes to Mixon, Hill, Hunt, etc. 

You continue to presume Watson is guilty, but he isn't, yet. 20 accusers certainly looks bad, but it doesn't mean he's guilty. You've just decided he is, for reasons. 

He may very well be guilty, he may be completely innocent, my guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I'm not the one proclaiming him fully innocent, whereby you have already determined he is guilty, just because of the number of accusers. It's pretty obvious you're somebody the prosecution would love to have on a jury. 

I didn't want Mixon or hill or hunt, well I did want hunt but that was before he started punching ladies.

Having said that I'm ok with guys on a team thst have dine horrible things as long as they've taken responsibility for them been held accountable and are attempting to make amends 

As far as I know Mixon hasnt done anything stupid since that initial incident, I could be wrong though I don't really follow any of the guys mentioned above 

Hunt I'm not sure, I can't even remember what he did???

Hill well that dude has multiple incidents and doesn't seem to learn from them.

Where as take a guy like Vick he did some awful things and he paid his dues took responsibility tried to make amends, I had zero problem with eagles signing him.

As for Watson I don't think he's guilty for "reasons" I think he's guilty because it's highly improbable that 20+ ladies in the same profession who know nothing of each other or each other's experiences from multiple states would have similar stories and accusations.

2 may be a coincidence 20+ little more difficult to dismiss at least for me.

 

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

Drafted well? They missed on their 9th and 21st pick in a five year period. Then had two good drafts, partially b/c they picked #1 and #11, and got Chase at #5.

They added two high priced FAs, Reader and Hendrickson, and a third got hurt, Waynes.

Otherwise they depended on late rd picks, second tier FAs, UDFAs, waiver wire pickups and SFAs.

And they were 10-7, they weren't a juggernaut by any means.

So... not drafting well is when you miss on 2 first round picks in 5 years?   And we should discount hitting on draft picks in the top 11.

So... Howie has NOT drafted well by your standard.  Good to know.

 

Seems like a bit of a double standard you are using on who is doing a good job and who isn't. 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's not really trolling, that's not engaging in discussion.  There's a difference.

Oh snap.  Hurts wasn't even first alternate.  

Technically every player is an alternate if everyone in front of them doesn't go. With Cousins and Wilson in as alternatives, Hurts would have to be at least the 3rd alternate to make it.

lol at OBJ being a top 10 receiver right now. It is still a bad hot take. He hasn’t been a top 10 WR cause he’s been injury prone the last 4 years and lacked production. Even with the rams during the regular season he played 8 games had 305 yards and 5 tds. I can name 10 who are better. Chase, kupp, Tyreek hill, Justin Jefferson, Adams, deebo Samuel, Hopkins, diggs, Evans and godwin. I could name some more who’ve had just as crap QB situations and still had better numbers and stayed healthy over the last 3-4 years. He played 8 games with the rams he had 305 yards. He’s like what we said a top 20-25 receiver. 

he was good to even great yesterday. His previous 5 games he averaged 42.5 receiving yards that’s not exactly top 10. He’s been under 40 yards receiving in 6 of the 11 games with the rams. 

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

So now we trust Lurie?

If you paid just a little attention the rebuild started when we drafted Hurts, our coach checked out and Wentz was benched. 

even if this is year 1 to you. Hurts is no where near a qb we need so we have at least year 3(the following year) and probably 2 more years if we draft a qb. 

So again, at least 5+ years. 

I don't agree the Hurts pick alone signals a rebuild. I think it was an insurance policy. I believe they fully expected to compete with Wentz and the band in 2020. It was after the 2020 season we see real signs and statements made about rebuilding. I'm not debating the rest of your timeline. I think we are looking at 5 years if we draft a QB but I'm not ruling out we go the FA route at QB after next season.

11 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm not absolving anyone really. There were multiple issues like ones you mentioned. I'm just saying our receivers were notoriously bad and Reid just had to fire away all the time. If you want to fire away you gotta get better receivers. Reid loved and committed to these average to below average guys for years. Made no sense. We lost Buck in training camp that year, they should have traded for a better option. They had time to get that figured out. 

They picked up Dorsey levans who played well.

Who they going to trade for and why 

Yes Andy wanted to pass all the time and that's more effective when I e has better receivers but 2004 isnt really the year to complain about that as TO was electric that year.

I get the built up frustration of those teams failing year after year but 2004 isn't really the year to complain about WR or bad roster construction,that team was stacked, complaining about the lack of a really good back up RB seems a bit of a stretch and like I said how much does a backup RB help when fraley is in his lap every snap 

If anything maybe Reid should have benched Fraley and gone with Jamal Jackson whom replaced fraley the very next year in part because of Fraleys failures in the super bowl.

2 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I don't agree the Hurts pick alone signals a rebuild. I think it was an insurance policy. I believe they fully expected to compete with Wentz and the band in 2020. It was after the 2020 season we see real signs and statements made about rebuilding. I'm not debating the rest of your timeline. I think we are looking at 5 years if we draft a QB but I'm not ruling out we go the FA route at QB after next season.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol at OBJ being a top 10 receiver right now. It is still a bad hot take. He hasn’t been a top 10 WR cause he’s been injury prone the last 4 years and lacked production. Even with the rams during the regular season he played 8 games had 305 yards and 5 tds. I can name 10 who are better. Chase, kupp, Tyreek hill, Justin Jefferson, Adams, deebo Samuel, Hopkins, diggs, Evans and godwin. I could name some more who’ve had just as crap QB situations and still had better numbers and stayed healthy over the last 3-4 years. He played 8 games with the rams he had 305 yards. He’s like we told you a top 20-25 receiver. 

he was good to even great yesterday. His previous 5 games he averaged 42.5 receiving yards that’s not exactly top 10. He’s been under 40 yards receiving in 6 of the 11 games with the rams. 

This is also the same poster who declared Freiermuth would put up better numbers than Pitts. Whoooops. 

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I didn't want Mixon or hill or hunt, well I did want hunt but that was before he started punching ladies.

Having said that I'm ok with guys on a team thst have dine horrible things as long as they've taken responsibility for them been held accountable and are attempting to make amends 

As far as I know Mixon hasnt done anything stupid since that initial incident, I could be wrong though I don't really follow any of the guys mentioned above 

Hunt I'm not sure, I can't even remember what he did???

Hill well that dude has multiple incidents and doesn't seem to learn from them.

Where as take a guy like Vick he did some awful things and he paid his dues took responsibility tried to make amends, I had zero problem with eagles signing him.

As for Watson I don't think he's guilty for "reasons" I think he's guilty because it's highly improbable that 20+ ladies in the same profession who know nothing of each other or each other's experiences from multiple states would have similar stories and accusations.

2 may be a coincidence 20+ little more difficult to dismiss at least for me.

 

Oh nothing too serious, just assaulted a woman and then kicked her when she was on the ground. No big deal right? 

Maybe you should read up on Tony Buzbee, and then wait for all the information to come out before declaring Watson guilty.