Just now, TorontoEagle said:

This is also the same poster who declared Freiermuth would put up better numbers than Pitts. Whoooops. 

I’d argue mclaurin has had it just as a bad at QB. Last two years over 1000 yards. Could add diontae Johnson playing with Big Ben is also a better WR and DJ moore has played with bad QB or mediocre  QB. Has had over 1100 yards each of the last three years. That doesn’t include Keenan Allen either. Or aj brown. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  They didn't draft him as a signal that they are rebuilding and moving on from Wentz.  They got cute and tried to be the smartest guys in the room and it backfired.  Their "QB Factory" line said all you needed to know.  I believe it was one of two reasons why they drafted Hurts.    

- They wanted to flip Hurts either during, just after or later on down the road for a better draft pick. 

- They wanted to use him in the slash Taysom Hill type roll.  

 

I tend to lean more with the first option.  

I wouldn’t be surprised if their plan at the time was both. Use him as a gadget player like Hill, then get something of value later. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  They didn't draft him as a signal that they are rebuilding and moving on from Wentz.  They got cute and tried to be the smartest guys in the room and it backfired.  Their "QB Factory" line said all you needed to know.  I believe it was one of two reasons why they drafted Hurts.    

- They wanted to flip Hurts either during, just after or later on down the road for a better draft pick. 

- They wanted to use him in the slash Taysom Hill type roll.  

 

I tend to lean more with the first option.  

It's definitely number one. Jeffrey was enamoured with the Feely/Bradford type trades, where they shipped a guy out for good picks, and then had another guy ready to go. My hunch is they thought Hurts would show out, and they could flip him to New Orleans if he looked better than Hill, or, they were hoping the Hill style of QB would take off and they were ahead of the game. Then another team would make a nice offer if Hill had been successful. Just an insanely dumb way to draft. It's like the guys in fantasy football, who draft 5 QBs right at the start. They insist they'll trade them for better players, but it never works out. Just take the good players when you can and worry about the rest later. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh nothing too serious, just assaulted a woman and then kicked her when she was on the ground. No big deal right? 

Maybe you should read up on Tony Buzbee, and then wait for all the information to come out before declaring Watson guilty. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue mclaurin has had it just as a bad at QB. Last two years over 1000 yards. Could add diontae Johnson playing with Big Ben is also a better WR and DJ moore has played with bad QB or mediocre  QB. Has had over 1100 yards each of the last three years. That doesn’t include Keenan Allen either. Or aj brown. 

McLaurin is def better than OBJ, as is Moore, and AJ Brown. Keenan Allen I'd prob take ahead of OBJ as well, but there's a debate to be had there. 

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

My goodness gracious. 

Let's draft all the Australian OTs.  

 

 

53 minutes ago, Utebird said:

They picked up Dorsey levans who played well.

Who they going to trade for and why 

Yes Andy wanted to pass all the time and that's more effective when I e has better receivers but 2004 isnt really the year to complain about that as TO was electric that year.

I get the built up frustration of those teams failing year after year but 2004 isn't really the year to complain about WR or bad roster construction,that team was stacked, complaining about the lack of a really good back up RB seems a bit of a stretch and like I said how much does a backup RB help when fraley is in his lap every snap 

If anything maybe Reid should have benched Fraley and gone with Jamal Jackson whom replaced fraley the very next year in part because of Fraleys failures in the super bowl.

Levens had 1 carry in the super bowl, 1. That's inexcusable. I can't rewind time and know which RB was available that year via trade. We needed one though because all we had was Westbrook and we lost our thunder in Buck in training camp. Westy alone was not enough for a team with super bowl aspirations. 
It's hard to forgive passing on two hall of famers in Witten and Wayne. Who knows how this team would have been with those two on the roster. That's franchise altering. 
Honey buns was getting lambasted putting Jackson in there may have made the difference we needed. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

McLaurin is def better than OBJ, as is Moore, and AJ Brown. Keenan Allen I'd prob take ahead of OBJ as well, but there's a debate to be had there. 

I’d put him somewhere between 15-20. I think there’s guys who are more reliable (not as injury prone) and also had production in bad offenses just like he had with baker. His injuries and production the last 5 years says he’s not been top 10. Maybe he gets back there eventually but he has not been remotely close to that the last 5 years. 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

 

If they included the Bucs in this it goes to 21 years. 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  They didn't draft him as a signal that they are rebuilding and moving on from Wentz.  They got cute and tried to be the smartest guys in the room and it backfired.  Their "QB Factory" line said all you needed to know.  I believe it was one of two reasons why they drafted Hurts.    

- They wanted to flip Hurts either during, just after or later on down the road for a better draft pick. 

- They wanted to use him in the slash Taysom Hill type roll.  

 

I tend to lean more with the first option.  

I don't disagree with you but I do think that they though highly of him as a QB prospect.  I think the other parts of it are true too.  They thought they could use him as some sort of gadget player.  They also thought they could maybe move him down the road.  I do think they also were concerned about Wentz and thought they might have to move on from him as well.  I don't think they thought it would be in 2021.  I'm not defending the pick. 

20 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oh nothing too serious, just assaulted a woman and then kicked her when she was on the ground. No big deal right? 

Maybe you should read up on Tony Buzbee, and then wait for all the information to come out before declaring Watson guilty. 

Whose writing about Tony buzbee and what's their motive?

As for hunt never said it wasn't a big deal or even implied it, just said I couldnt remember what he did, it was like 3 years ago, I barely remember what I had for breakfast.

What I'm wondering is why are you so quick to give Watson the benefit of doubt 

Somebody writes something About buzee and you don't think twice about it just take it at face value but 20+ women report sexual assault against one person and your Initial reaction is to scrutinize their experience.

Why not give them the same benefit of doubt you give Watson???

You arent Watsons lawyer or another representative of the case who is bound by law to presume innocence before proven guilty so why so ardently defend Watson's presumed innocence?

As a public citizen not involved in the case I'm not obligated to presume innocence before proven guilt, that's a legal term I didn't swear on The Bible to uphold on a message board.

I feel a sense of moral obligation to stick up for what I see as probable sexual assault.

Like I said if it was 1 or 2 women I'd tend to think well who knows, but 20+ tends to sway my opinion in favor of the accusers not the accused.

I'd say, well he'll have his day in court but more than likely he won't as he and his camp would rather it all just go away and settle out of court out of the public spotlight And the NFL would prefer that as well.

If one truly believes in innocence until proven guilty than one also would also not have a problem with Watson going to court to face his accusers but as said that most likely won't happen as the NFL only stands to lose even if Watson was found innocent in a court of law.

 

Sam Howell, short with tiny hands

 

2 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Shouldn't have clipped his fingenails before the measurement.

@ManuManu did see what happened to Neil Farrell, hunger strike I guess.

 

Jerome Ford, 209... not exactly 220, but a nice prospect. 

Brian Robinson, 226, not exactly 240 but still nice size.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

@ManuManu did see what happened to Neil Farrell, hunger strike I guess.

I did not. Never heard of him. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

I did not. Never heard of him. 

He's a 3T from LSU - they have him listed at 238, I figure that should be 288-298.

 

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

He's a 3T from LSU - they have him listed at 238, I figure that should be 288-298.

Lol. A 238 pound 3T?

This is a good potential OLB

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Lol. A 238 pound 3T?

That man has orangutan arms. His wingspan is almost a foot longer than his height.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

I like Winfrey; he shows good hustle and strength.  A bit raw, but lots to work with.

Winfrey might fly away, also the PSU OLB has a nice reach at 34".

 

Tycen Anderson is going to move up, well put together for a safety prospect.

30 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Levens had 1 carry in the super bowl, 1. That's inexcusable. I can't rewind time and know which RB was available that year via trade. We needed one though because all we had was Westbrook and we lost our thunder in Buck in training camp. Westy I'm alone was not enough for a team with super bowl aspirations. 
It's hard to forgive passing on two hall of famers in Witten and Wayne. Who knows how this team would have been with those two on the roster. That's franchise altering. 
Honey buns was getting lambasted putting Jackson in there may have made the difference we needed. 

Agree about Witten. And Fred X ugggg 

I thought he was the best TE in a TE heavy draft, I thought for sure he was the pick when it came up, I think Reid and the FO had tunnel vision and zeroed in in the local guy who was faster.

As for the backup RB position, like I said don't think that was a big or even a reason eagles lost the super bowl, esje iskky since fraley was in the eagles backfield the whole game 

Having said that it's all a moot point, were talking about one game in which McNabb threw 3 Ints and lost a fumble, the last I t did t really matter but still 4 turnovers in one game after being so protective of the ball all year is a choke. 

Did Reid choke as well? Sure did!, how bout Dawkins no one wants to bring up that he made zero plays in the biggest game of his career, he was invisible he choked In that game as well 

Fraley as mentioned had possibly the worst game by a starting center in super bowl history, he was atrocious.

The WRs played well in that game, it sucked losing Chad Lewis the game before, he wasn't a pro bowl talent anymore but he was McNabbs security blanket and he was clutch as evidence by the game before.

Like I said we could go back and relitigate everything that led to to that game and the game it self but as it stand the eagles including McNabb choked, they had no business losing that game.

Did the Pats cheat? Probably and still eagles had their chances to win and blew it.

Luckily wasn't a repeat in 2017 as they finally got over the hump!