Schefter said the same thing a week ago.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hurts, not as good a runner as Allen, and not even in the stratosphere of Allen as a passer.

 

FO has Hurts with 194 DYAR, Allen with 136, Hurts +14.4 DVOA, Allen +8.8% DVOA.

However, comparing Hurts with Allen or Mahomes is silly, guys like Strong or Pickett are far more likely to be Wilson or Fields or Darnold.

Nor is Watson or Wilson (at 33) nearly as good as these two.

2 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Have you seen how bad Hurts was this year being handed the starting job?  He played just like the majority of the backups.

 

Pro Bowl alternate... apparently.   Not first alternate... or second alternate.   Maybe 3rd?  4th?  7th?  Who knows?

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Have you seen how bad Hurts was this year being handed the starting job?  He played just like the majority of the backups.

 

He took a team with holes galore to a 8-7 record. What backup did as well.

You’d have to imagine the Eagles are out on Jimmy G. So, that’s good. He just wasn’t good enough when he needed to be.

The book is out on Wilson and Fields already! They're done. No shot they can improve. Jalen Hurts can though! Hurts can still develop and improve. Come on now. The double standard is ridiculous. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He took a team with holes galore to a 8-7 record. What backup did as well.

False. The team took him to that record, they did it in spite of him not because of him.

Honest question here.  Yesterday, the NFC Championship was at the Rams stadium.  Masks weren't required.  The NFL is handing out and requiring all fans to wear mask at the Super Bowl.

What difference does it make between the NFCCG and the SB?  

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

The book is out on Wilson and Fields already! They're done. No shot they can and improve. Jalen Hurts can though! Hurts can still develop and improve. Come on now. The double standard is ridiculous. 

It really is funny watching the same people discredit Minshews win over the Jets because they’re the Jets, then turn around and say Zach Wilson sucks.

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

FO has Hurts with 194 DYAR, Allen with 136, Hurts +14.4 DVOA, Allen +8.8% DVOA.

However, comparing Hurts with Allen or Mahomes is silly, guys like Strong or Pickett are far more likely to be Wilson or Fields or Darnold.

Nor is Watson or Wilson (at 33) nearly as good as these two.

Correct! They are good, Hurts is not.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Honest question here.  Yesterday, the NFC Championship was at the Rams stadium.  Masks weren't required.  The NFL is handing out and requiring all fans to wear mask at the Super Bowl.

What difference does it make between the NFCCG and the SB?  

Politics 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

False. The team took him to that record, they did it in spite of him not because of him.

What makes his argument worse is mariota, Winston, keenum, dalton and colt mccoy were all available to be backups that offseason. All but mccoy have had seasons in their career (mccoy was 2-1 for the cardinals this year) where they had at least one season where they had better records than hurts’ 8-7 this past year. So they were capable of being up to step in for a game or two. So we didn’t want to spend money but had no problem with paying chase Daniel back in 2016 who really was unproven as a backup as he almost never played. And then took a hit the next offseason getting rid of him. 

the idea of good drafting is taking a long term backup QB or backup player in general in the second round is ridiculous. 

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Pro Bowl alternate... apparently.   Not first alternate... or second alternate.   Maybe 3rd?  4th?  7th?  Who knows?

Maybe it was in an alternate universe. You know like marvels multiverse

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He took a team with holes galore to a 8-7 record. What backup did as well.

you should quit now, you're just asking for it

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Honest question here.  Yesterday, the NFC Championship was at the Rams stadium.  Masks weren't required.  The NFL is handing out and requiring all fans to wear mask at the Super Bowl.

What difference does it make between the NFCCG and the SB?  

 

There is no difference because it is all just for public show at this point.  Look no further to both the LA Mayor Garcetti and Governor Newsom both taking pictures with Magic Johnson at the Rams game Sunday and both are not wearing masks, breaking the very protocols they put in place.  

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

False. The team took him to that record, they did it in spite of him not because of him.

Well, the facts are pretty clear.  Eagles were undefeated with Minshew at QB.  I think that says it all.

36 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That backup was ranked around 20th, ahead of a half dozen QBs taken in the first round the last five years or so. But he was a 3rd rd value. What does that make the other QBs? 6th rd?

Lawrence - Plays on a terrible overall team with a poor OL with a complete ish show of a FO and oh, yeah.....Urban F'ing Meyer!

Wilson - See above (without Meyer)

Fields - Lacks good skill players, HC is an idiot and ruins the O and QBs

Mayfield - Always overrated and mediocre at best

D Jones - See Lawrence and Wilson plus he had Joe Judge who runs QB sneaks on 3rd down from the shadow of his own goal posts

Darnold - See Mayfield

Goff - Even more overrated than Mayfield and only McVay holding his hand made him look like a solid QB

This is why it's irrelevant to compare Hurts to any of these QBs.  The last 4 were just never going to be good enough so comparing Hurts to mediocre QBs is biased to your agenda.  The first 3 I'd put forth that they are all in worse situations than Hurts and were all TRUE rookies who didn't have a little taste of the NFL when they started this season unlike Hurts and none of them had the benefit of playing behind the OL he had.  He should be slightly ahead of the curve (at the moment, though I could see at least 2 of them surpassing him sooner than later) when compared to them.  So, again, another irrelevant comparison. 

The only probowl QB to play in a championship game was Mahoomes. I'd be interested in a stat breakdown of QBs against above average and below average defenses - my suspicion is that top QBs pad their stats against bad defenses (throwing accurately to open WRs from a clean pocket) but have less of a statistical advantage against good defenses.

You keep making this comparison again and again and it's irrelevant.  The only comparison that matters is what Hurts actually is vs what we need at the QB position.  That simple.  I could care less what other QBs have done as they're on different teams, with a different roster, different HC/OC/QBC/WRC/TEC/etc.  The question isn't whether Hurts is better than QB X, Y, and Z, the question is if Hurts is good enough for us to compete come playoff time.  And so far he's shown nothing to say that the answer is 'yes' nor has he shown enough potential that he can.  His ceiling is average at best.  As is the last 4 QBs you compared him to.

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What makes his argument worse is mariota, Winston, keenum, dalton and colt mccoy were all available to be backups that offseason. All but mccoy have had seasons in their career (mccoy was 2-1 for the cardinals this year) where they had at least one season where they had better records than hurts’ 8-7 this past year. So they were capable of being up to step in for a game or two. So we didn’t want to spend money but had no problem with paying chase Daniel back in 2016 who really was unproven as a backup as he almost never played. And then took a hit the next offseason getting rid of him. 

the idea of good drafting is taking a long term backup QB or backup player in general in the second round is ridiculous. 

Well, back then they had cap room.  

3 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

You keep making this comparison again and again and it's irrelevant.  The only comparison that matters is what Hurts actually is vs what we need at the QB position.  That simple.  I could care less what other QBs have done as their on different teams, with a different roster, different HC/OC/QBC/WRC/TEC/etc.  The question isn't whether Hurts is better than QB X, Y, and Z, the question is if Hurts is good enough for us to compete come playoff time.  And so far he's shown nothing to say that the answer is 'yes' nor has he shown enough potential that he can.  His ceiling is average at best.  As is the last 4 QBs you compared him to.

 

You are correct.  Comparing Hurts to other QBs that are also not good enough is no defense for him.  It just means that there are a lot of teams in need of a QB, which is why the price is always so high.   The old supply-demand curves.   Low supply increases the price.  High demand increases the price... low supply and high demand really drives up the price.  And that's the QB market in the NFL.   

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He took a team with holes galore to a 8-7 record. What backup did as well.

And what backup got to play as many ishy teams with PS level QBs?  Fool's Gold.  They routinely got handled by teams with winning records and in most of those games the O was shite because Hurts left plays on the field or made bad decisions.

The Bucs and NYG gave the rest of the NFL the blueprint on how to stall the Eagles' O:  stack the box with 8 defenders, cut off Hurts' running lanes, and force him to beat you with his passing game.  Too.  Effing.  Easy.

"He can't read!  He can't read!"

 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well, back then they had cap room.  

True. but they wasted money on him. So it wasn’t like they’d object to paying backup QBs good money who frankly weren’t even worthy of the money they paid them. There were legitimately good backups available that offseason and they could’ve gotten if they wanted. They were restructuring and offering dummy years anyway. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

True. but they wasted money on him. So it wasn’t like they’d object to paying backup QBs good money who frankly weren’t even worthy of the money they paid them. 

That doesn't bother me.  QB is the most important position.  Backup QB is close behind.   But draft picks are about the future, not the present.  Drafting the guy to be your backup makes zero sense in Round 2.  He's not going to be able to play at a high enough level to win when it really matters anyway.  Or you got really really lucky, see also Brady, Tom in 2000.