13 minutes ago, Swoop said:

You haven't even seen my final form yet.

Nothing will top the nickname we can’t use

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nothing will top the nickname we can’t use

Sad, but true. Maybe we can come up with an acronym for it 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Sad, but true. Maybe we can come up with an acronym for it 

S*******.  Those of us in the know will get it.

Skull & Bones.

 

12 minutes ago, SB52 said:

This isn’t going to last the entire offseason. The Eagles will get a QB soon.

It’s going to be a long 6 months for you then. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You don’t use a 2nd rounder on a back up emergency QB.  Period.  Dumb reasoning.  

Given the fact that Jeffrey and Howie have never made a 'dumb' decision,  I just don't know. I'm not defending the choice, just trying to decipher the why. I was as WTF when the choice was announced as most people.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

Schefter said the same thing a week ago.

Good cause he has bust written all over him. 

I will laugh at the team that takes him as the first QB. Well unless its us, then I would cry. 

19 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Given the fact that Jeffrey and Howie have never made a 'dumb' decision,  I just don't know. I'm not defending the choice, just trying to decipher the why. I was as WTF when the choice was announced as most people.

There were a multitude of theories/reasons why people believe they did. 

1. Missing out on Wilson years ago. 
2. smartest people in the room theory

3. Wentz got concussion in the postseason and people thought maybe he’s thinking of retiring early (not really a major theory)

4. They needed a backup cause wentz didn’t finish seasons 3 times

5.  The eagles weren’t sold on wentz after 2020 and didn’t know if he was late season wentz in 2020 or early season wentz in 2020 and wanted an insurance plan to groom for when they could move on if they needed too 

I am sure there was more theories that people had come out.

The thing is whether the Eagles were being forward and actually truthful when they drafted him so they had a good backup in case Carson Wentz got hurt. I don’t think they were and if that’s the biggest reason why that tells me they never really envisioned him being a high caliber starter and more of a fringe starter/backup who could step in if need be for a game or two. Mosher and caplan have even said people inside the eagles told them that on their podcast 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Like Jeremy Chinn for example.  It was hilarious that he scored the two defensive TD's right after it was reported that is who the scouts wanted at that pick.

Why have scouts if one isn't going to utilize them???

16 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Turn on TV. Watch QB play.  Form an opinion over the course of watching said QB play, enough times.  All while comparing him to other QB’s you’ve seen play numerous times.   
 

Not that Fing hard slappy.  Thanks for chiming in.  Don’t like the rhetoric?  Bounce.  

Oh good so nothing to add other than referencing your illustrious career as an EMB scout. Wonderful. 
 

I’ll go ahead and trust the stats over your (assuredly) expansive scouting expertise. 
 

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No the year the eagles drafted hurts. Here’s a listen of the QBs this year 

 

 

mariota , trubisky and bridgewater could could buy a year or two to rebuild this team thru the draft and get the cap in better shape , IMO

7 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Oh good so nothing to add other than referencing your illustrious career as an EMB scout. Wonderful. 
 

I’ll go ahead and trust the stats over your (assuredly) expansive scouting expertise. 
 

You are finding stats that tell a story you want them to tell, I watched him play 17 games this year, my eyes tell me he didn’t improve and he will never be good enough.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s where we disagree.   I think this will last a lot longer than the offseason.  So if someone has an issue with it being discussed, might as well run along.  

By off-season are we talking up til the draft or up til TC?  If the former I think you're correct.

I don't see Rodgers wanting to come here when he has better options.  He could stay in GB.  He could go to either DEN or TB (if Brady does retire) who both have more complete teams to compete.  TB would be the more favourable option being in the weak NFC and no state income tax. 

I don't see Wilson coming here because this isn't a favourable market for his wife.  I think we can agree he isn't making any decisions without her input.

That leaves Watson.  Jimmy G, while he would be an upgrade over Hurts, isn't the type of QB to put you over the top.  Carr is better than Jimmy G, but you'd have to sign him to an extension and IMO he's not worth it.  So again.....Watson.  Any NFL team that trades for him BEFORE his legal issues are resolved, before he is exonerated, is stupid.  Yeah, you could get him at a cheaper price, but the risk of having no guarantee if he's indicted and how long that would take plus how long the NFL would suspend him for, is too great for the investment.  The drama surrounding him isn't going away any time soon.  It's going to get drug out and played out.  That's what the opposing lawyer wants is for Watson to have to wait and sit out as he just wants the civil payout and his cut.  He's waiting for him to cave.  As long as it's unresolved then Watson won't be playing as that would be a huge blemish on the NFL's face and after incidents like Ray Rice and they can't have that.

That's why I think we have to wait until draft day to see what unfolds.  Howie will TRY to make something happen, but I don't think the odds are in his favour.  They better be doing their due diligence looking at this QB class.

 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

If Hurts can incrementally upgrade his game this offseason, nothing drastic, just improvement across the board, mechanics, accuracy, recognition, anticipation, and he could be close to a top ten QB next year

Just now, downundermike said:

You are finding stats that tell a story you want them to tell, I watched him play 17 games this year, my eyes tell me he didn’t improve and he will never be good enough.

Again, there’s no doubt you have good eyes for football but the Eagles just committed to the guy in 2022. Whether or not you buy Howie’s statements, that’s a step further than they took last year. The stats back up your claim that he was atrocious in 2020; but they generally do not back up your claim that he was bad in 2021. 
 

Why would the same stats be accurate in 2020 but not so in 2021? Unless you have your mind made up and consider yourself an EMB scout, of course.

Instead of spending the next 6 months yelling the same arguments at each other and looking like idiots while doing so, I’m proposing we actually do some digging and figure out what actually took place analytically between 2020 and 2021. I’m convinced the Eagles looked at all of these stats.

15 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Oh good so nothing to add other than referencing your illustrious career as an EMB scout. Wonderful. 
 

I’ll go ahead and trust the stats over your (assuredly) expansive scouting expertise. 
 

How about these stats?

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

How about these stats?

Bad QB play, TE.

He was atrocious - according to PFR, 30% (!) of his throws were bad.

He was horrific.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You know, Afan might be onto something. If hurts can improve in every single area that a QB needs to be good, he might do OK next year. Maybe.

Just now, Thrive said:

Bad QB play, TE.

He was atrocious - according to PFR, 30% (!) of his throws were bad.

He was horrific.

It’s no surprise that the level of competition increased, and he had one of his worst games.

The blueprint is crystal clear; take away his right side, make him throw intermediate/deep and to his left. They gave him the middle and he had 2 measly completions there. Their defensive coach was laughing at him on mic. What more do you need to see?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re more than welcome to go back and read everything I have written about Hurts in here and other Blogs since we drafted him.  All completely independent from any stats.    As a matter of fact, I can say with 100% confidence that no one has posted about his game and how it’s not the right fit as much and as long as I have. 
 

But you go ahead fella, you go ahead with your stats and celebrate.  We have Cam Newton/Tim Tebow.  You’re happy with that.   
 

Oh I know, I know.  He works hard and is young and will learn.  
 

 

And couldn't that be said of most of the young QBs?  I know that you know this is the case, but for the people who keep saying it about Hurts like he has the exclusive on hard work, I think they need a reality check.  Well, with the exception of Manziel who was a total spoiled dbag sack of shite. 

And I don't think either of us think Hurts will learn that much more to take him up to a top tier level QB.  His ceiling is limited.  IMO, he will improve about 10-20% max over what we see now and that's just not good enough.  It's not the arm strength I have the most issue with.  It's his slow processing, his lack of pre-snap recognition, his seeing a WR about to come open and not be able to pull the trigger because HE DOESN'T TRUST HIMSELF, his lack of anticipation, and his incredibly poor pocket presence.  Too many flaws in his game that even if he improves a little in each area it's still not near enough.

I'm sure he's a great guy and hard worker, but his skill set is lacking for him to be a starting QB on a team contending for a SB.  Career backup is his ceiling.

 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

It’s no surprise that the level of competition increased, and he had one of his worst games.

The blueprint is crystal clear; take away his right side, make him throw intermediate/deep and to his left. They gave him the middle and he had 2 measly completions there. Their defensive coach was laughing at him on mic. What more do you need to see?

What more do I need to see? Kyler Murray had nearly the same bad throw percentage in his playoff game. It happens. Young QBs have terrible games.

 

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

What more do I need to see? Kyler Murray had nearly the same bad throw percentage in his playoff game. It happens. Young QBs have terrible games.

 

Kyler Murray isn’t that great either. Far superior to Hurts throwing the ball, but too injury prone and too in love with hero ball. 

 

10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How about these stats?

He had more completions behind or at the LoS (7) on his left side than beyond it (5).  Plus 14 incompletions plus 1 INT. 

Yup, stack the box with 8 defenders, cut off his running lanes and roll coverage to his right side and you completely neutralize Hurts or worse.