Just now, Utebird said:

Yup I saw him a couple times in college, he played better as a Jr then a bunch of his weapons graduated left, drafted and stat wise record wise weren't as good but his arm talent coupled with his size and running ability at that size were obvious, biggest thing like you said was his accuracy and people obviously questioned his level of competition, I've never worried about level of competition if a guy can throw the rock I don't care if he plays at western butt tech st, if he has those natural skills the test can be taught or improved 

Josh Allen in college was oozing talent he just had to put it together and he has.

Hurts meanwhile in college it was obvious he didnt have a ton of arm talent and same has shown in the pros.

I think upcoming draft the guy to me that shows the most arm talent is Carson Strong, he has a lot of tools to work with.

 

I was one of the bigger proponents of Allen on the boards. I knew his boom and bust potential but i still would’ve taken him over mayfield and Rosen that year. I didn’t particularly love mayfield to begin with (attitude and i just didn’t love him)  enough to take him where the browns. Had arizona coaches tell me rosen was overrated and would flop.

I actually made the joke that the best thing that could’ve happened to Josh Allen was going to Buffalo because it was a small market like where he was coming from and the bills at that time gave him inferior talent compared to the rest of the NFL so he must’ve felt like he was still at Wyoming.

7 Super Bowl Rings plus 10 Super Bowl appearances; Tom Brady made it to the Super Bowl 10 out of 22 seasons.  

Amazing career.

 

 

 

 

NSFW   

lots of bad language

 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

7 Super Bowl Rings plus 10 Super Bowl appearances; Tom Brady made it to the Super Bowl 10 out of 22 seasons.  

Amazing career.

 

 

 

 

Yeah we went over this when he retired last week.

I think most in here don't care about Brady anymore, move on. 

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I posted awhile ago that there were 30 QBs drafted in the 1st round over a 10-year period (2010-2019 or something like that).  Out of those 30 QBs drafted, 8 of them developed into the QB the teams had hoped for.  The success rate is not high.  Doesn't mean you don't or can't do it, but the odds are against it working out in the long term.

Yep.  Well said. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Yeah we went over this when he retired last week.

I think most in here don't care about Brady anymore, move on. 

Idk i kind of needed that 23 season for him to prove himself. 22 just wasn’t enough for me. 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And you have to continue to take chances in finding that guy.  I mean, read Jeff Lurie's quote in my signature.

That's why teams will continue to do it this year as well.  The best strategy, especially in a hard-cap league, is to draft and develop your own franchise QB.  You're going to miss more than you hit, but the reward is what you get in Kansas City, Buffalo, and even Cincinnati.

A good organization will also identify when the guy they have is not the guy they need.  The Rams did it with Goff, the 49ers with Jimmy G currently, and hopefully the Eagles with Hurts.

2 hours ago, greend said:

Describe for us the "additions on offense" that would help Hurts . Receivers already get open, and he likes to run more than the running backs. The oline is solid, how about we get a qb that can actually throw the ball and use what's left to build the defense and offense

 

I just did in my response to Iggles_phan, sort of.   A bigger WR that can run routes, block and catch. (Probably two of those are needed.)  Another TE that can catch.  A replacement C for Kelce.  A RG.  Healthy RB, preferably a "real” big back.  For his size, Howard came up small on short yardage.  Fix Goedert’s concentration drops. The OL has two gaping holes in it if Kelce retires and Seumalo’s foot doesn’t fix.  Driscoll is a great Jack of all trades backup, when healthy.  

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was one of the bigger proponents of Allen on the boards. I knew his boom and bust potential but i still would’ve taken him over mayfield and Rosen that year. I didn’t particularly love mayfield to begin with (attitude and i just didn’t love him)  enough to take him where the browns. Had arizona coaches tell me rosen was overrated and would flop.

I actually made the joke that the best thing that could’ve happened to Josh Allen was going to Buffalo because it was a small market like where he was coming from and the bills at that time gave him inferior talent compared to the rest of the NFL so he must’ve felt like he was still at Wyoming.

Gets cold in Wyoming as well so the snow up in buffalo wasn't going to be a big deal 

I liked Allen a lot coming out as well 

Not many that I recall saw him as a franchise guy then he shot up draft boards.

I think QB class was kind of similar to this one where there wasn't really a sure fire QB prospect, I was surprised Mayfield went 1st over all, never thought he was that good.

Not sure a QB needy team this year takes a QB at number 1 but weirder things have happened 

Like I said earlier I think the QB with the most arm talent in this draft is Carson strong.

He obviously lacks the athletic ability of a Josh Allen but he has good size at 6'4" and like Allen also comes from a smaller school so some might discredit him for that, not me, don't care even a little when it comes to qbs.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Weird how he went to Miami and got no publicity at all.  I blame that more on the downfall of UM football.  Rambo is going to be a solid to very good pro.  Someone is going to get a steal with him.

His QBs got banged up. That said, he still performed.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

7 Super Bowl Rings plus 10 Super Bowl appearances; Tom Brady made it to the Super Bowl 10 out of 22 seasons.  

Amazing career.

 

 

 

 

How many of those stats should have an asterisk next to them?

Minshew is a finished product and in no way can improve since hes played in 30 games in college and 27 games in the NFL. Hurts still has so much to learn and can grow even though he played in 56 games in college, and 30 in the pros.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I just did in my response to Iggles_phan, sort of.   A bigger WR that can run routes, block and catch. (Probably two of those are needed.)  Another TE that can catch.  A replacement C for Kelce.  A RG.  Healthy RB, preferably a "real” big back.  For his size, Howard came up small on short yardage.  Fix Goedert’s concentration drops. The OL has two gaping holes in it if Kelce retires and Seumalo’s foot doesn’t fix.  Driscoll is a great Jack of all trades backup, when healthy.  

None of what you listed will "help" Hurts. Well, not enough anyways.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep.  Well said. 

Just so folks understand this, if the Eagles drafted a QB with each of their 3 first round picks this year, the odds are better that none of them pan out than one of them panning out.

Doesn’t mean you don’t try if you’re convinced one of them is a franchise QB of course.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I do.  He deserves the attention and the chance to announce it himself.  Schefter/ESPN took that away.  I am able to say I watched the best WR, Best Qb and Best NBA player of all time play their entire career.  It's extremely noteworthy.  I don't have stats to support it though...

Yes agreed they leaked it early and that was dumb. I don't need to rehash Brady's long list of stats for the umpteenth time in the last week. I'm in the same boat as you with best WR, QB, and NBA player, and while I missed the glory days of Gretzky, at least I got to see him as well. 

I’d have to believe that Tampa becomes another potential landing spot for Watson. Not sure if they have the draft capital for it though.

The Jags are incredible. 

Buh bye Brady. Don't let the door hit ya.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

How many of those stats should have an asterisk next to them?

I was at the 2004 Super Bowl and that was a tough pill to swallow (especially after "Spy Gate" was revealed).

That said, how much of that was Belichick vs Brady?  

How many players/teams in the NFL take advantage of an opportunity to "increase their edge"...whether it be performance enhancing drugs, "cheating" some way, etc? 

Unfortunately, this type of "stuff" tends to happen in the NFL.  The Patriots were "caught" but were they the only team to "bend the rules"?  Unlikely, imo.   What they did was despicable but it happened and I've gotten over it over the years.    That said, with or without "Spy Gate" "Deflate Gate" etc....Tom Brady would have (likely) still had among the best careers ever, imo. 

 

Second favorite Brady moment.

 

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

I’d have to believe that Tampa becomes another potential landing spot for Watson. Not sure if they have the draft capital for it though.

I don’t see Watson , it’s either Trask , or Wilson , Cousins , maybe even Bridgewater 

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I don’t see Watson , it’s either Trask , or Wilson , Cousins , maybe even Bridgewater 

You are over thinking it.  The triumphant return of famous Jameis.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I was at the 2004 Super Bowl and that was a tough pill to swallow (especially after "Spy Gate" was revealed).

That said, how much of that was Belichick vs Brady?  

How many players/teams in the NFL take advantage of an opportunity to "increase their edge"...whether it be performance enhancing drugs, "cheating" some way, etc? 

Unfortunately, this type of "stuff" tends to happen in the NFL.  The Patriots were "caught" but were they the only team to "bend the rules"?  Unlikely, imo.   What they did was despicable but it happened and I've gotten over it over the years.    That said, with or without "Spy Gate" "Deflate Gate" etc....Tom Brady would have (likely) still had among the best careers ever, imo. 

 

That's fair, I won't celebrate it though.

But to each their own.

2 hours ago, greend said:

Critique away fellas

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  16.
  Garrett Wilson

  WR Ohio State
   
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  22.
  Devin Lloyd

  LB Utah
  
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  26.
  Tyler Linderbaum

  OC Iowa
  
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  51.
  Kenny Pickett

  QB Pittsburgh
   
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  83.
  Martin Emerson

  CB Mississippi State
   
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  86.
  Arnold Ebiketie

  EDGE Penn State
  
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  90.
  Boye Mafe

  EDGE Minnesota
  
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  121.
  Mykael Wright

  CB Oregon
   
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  149.
  Smoke Monday

  S Auburn
  
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  161.
  Charleston Rambo

  WR Miami-Fl
   
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  171.
  Kolby Harvell-Peel

  S Oklahoma State
  
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  205.
  Zyon McCollum

  CB Sam Houston State
  
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  254.
  Ali Fayad

  EDGE Western Michigan
  
• 2023 TEN 2nd
• 2023 TEN 3rd

3 Howies out of 5.  

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes agreed they leaked it early and that was dumb. I don't need to rehash Brady's long list of stats for the umpteenth time in the last week. I'm in the same boat as you with best WR, QB, and NBA player, and while I missed the glory days of Gretzky, at least I got to see him as well. 

There is an argument that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the greatest NBA player of all-time.  In fact, when I was growing up it was almost universally accepted.  When Jordan came along most people defaulted to the opinion he was the greatest, and 6 NBA titles without a loss likely confirms it -- but it's funny how greatest NBA player is somewhat dependent on which generation you grew up in.  A lot of "old-timers" still believe Kareem is the all-time best.  Now a lot of kids want to put Lebron into that spot.