1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

Ummm missing one. We all know 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh sheesh.  Don't get me started down that road.  Because I love discussions like that.  I need to get on the road for portion of the day.  Maybe save that debate for another day.  Its a good one.  

My 5, Hakeem, Barkley, Anthony Mason, Klay Thompson, Jason Williams ( would also consider Ron Harper at PG, his length would make this a scary defensive team as well )

Interesting point

 

Kenny Pickett at the combine:

 

10 minutes ago, SB52 said:

If Hakeem grew up today he would be a good three point shooter, too. He might be the most underrated superstar of all time. The guy dominated Shaq! It was young Shaq, but still…

Put him in any era and he’s arguably the best center. That’s crazy.

Growing up in Utah and still a jazz fan I'd find it hard to believe that not one jazz fan would agree that the Dream is the best center they ever saw play.

This was during an era that the NBA was center centric, Ewing, Robinson, Alonzo , Shaq, and The dream in my opinion was the best.

Sadly during that time jazz never had a center, which is odd because now that traditional Centers have been phased out of the NBA the jazz have a top 3 NBA center.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I am between AFan and you. I think the stats support that Hurts isn’t the worse QB in the league.

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So, this is where I actually think you and AFan agree.  Grab a franchise QB when you can.  Now I agree, it takes a willing trade partner if selecting in the draft.  I actually think AFan would agree too.

If the Eagles brain trust decide a bridge is needed and it can’t be Hurts, expect Winston.  
BTW, all those holes?  Fix it by firing Howie.  I am tired of his playing the flex tape guy instead of a builder.  

I have never said that Hurts is the worst QB in the league, never even thought it.  But, comparing him to other QBs that aren't good enough and would be looking to upgrade from doesn't change my opinion that he's not good enough to build around.  There are only 3 camps in the NFL when it comes to QBs... you either have the QB you desire, you have a QB that you think you can make into the QB you desire, or you search desperately for the QB you desire.      I believe the Eagles should be in the desperate search... they can't convince themselves that Hurts is the guy.  He's not.  His failures last year were the same as this year, not due to his best WR being Greg Ward.

 

I don't think that AFan and I do agree with the 'grab a franchise QB when you can'.  He seems pretty solidly in the build the team first, then get the QB.  The biggest issue with that plan is that you can't assume you will be in position to get the QB you want.  Chip Kelly desperately wanted Mariota, to the point that he was willing to trade the moon to get him, but the Titans wouldn't move out of that pick, because they wanted him too.  Same with the Dolphins and Burrow (according to recent reports), but the Bengals had no interest in moving out of #1, because they also wanted Burrow.  So, the build first - get the QB later plan which causes you to pass on a QB now, because you are assuming you can get one just as good later is where we disagree.  There's no guarantee ever in the NFL of that, and so you have to strike when the opportunity arises... unless you are in the first camp... and maybe if you are in the second... but maybe.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Growing up in Utah and still a jazz fan I'd find it hard to believe that not one jazz fan would agree that the Dream is the best center they ever saw play.

This was during an era that the NBA was center centric, Ewing, Robinson, Alonzo , Shaq, and The dream in my opinion was the best.

Sadly during that time jazz never had a center, which is odd because now that traditional Centers have been phased out of the NBA the jazz have a top 3 NBA center.

I would argue Moses Malone is one of the most underrated centers and players in nba history. He has the accolades but you rarely hear his name mentioned when discussing the position due to wilt, Russell, Kareem, shaq and Hakeem. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting point

 

Brady being petty as well?   Shocker.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

My 5, Hakeem, Barkley, Anthony Mason, Klay Thompson, Jason Williams ( would also consider Ron Harper at PG, his length would make this a scary defensive team as well )

Jason Williams in your top 5😳 and Anthony mason 🤔.

Jason Williams was fun to watch, he was good for a couple fancy dribbles and passes a game but defensively he was meh and as a shooter he was erratic.

Anthony Mason was an interesting player as he was like 250 lbs and would often be used as a point forward, he wasn't much of a shooter not much of a perimeter defender but the guy could bang down low with the bigs.

Is this your top 5 all time or top 5 favorite guys to watch or what???

Is the Texans job better than MIN, NO, and JAX?

C’MON, GANNON!

2 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Perhaps one thing on the roster build vs QB trade is how bad the depth on the Eagles is.  The D side of the ball is so light on talent, the FO are stuck in a position where they can't ignore it or solve it in one off season with a couple of picks and FA and then trade picks for a star QB.  Whatever they do will be wrong; do you keep Hurts and draft to build the roster, or trade multiple high picks and go back to the likes of Singleton and Ridgeway getting a lot of snaps next season and signing players like Eric Wilson in FA?

The playoff loss highlighted that both Hurts is not the long term solution and the D is so untalented across the board, a good QB just picks them apart with ease.  Wasting picks on players like JJAW or drafting Goedert when you had an elite TE created this position. 

If ever there was a case study for organisational hubris, the Eagles did it all.

Organizational hubris is an excellent characterization of the post Super Bowl Eagles I think.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would argue Moses Malone is one of the most underrated centers and players in nba history. He has the accolades but you rarely hear his name mentioned when discussing the position due to wilt, Russell, Kareem, shaq and Hakeem. 

Moses was kind of a PF/C tweener at 6'9" 6'10" as alot of those top centers are all 7 footers but I think Moses was a fantastic player, I caught him at the tail end if his career but if I needed a  rebounder it's him or rodman.

Rodman was just a relentless rebounder and Moses was just a ferocious one, sounded like he was going to pop the ball when he grabbed it.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Brady being petty as well?   Shocker.

Yup classy til the end👎

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Rodman was just a relentless rebounder and Moses was just a ferocious one, sounded like he was going to pop the ball when he grabbed it.

I hate that younger people never got to see Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. All the nonsense later in his career distracts from the fact he was a relentless (and talented) rebounder and defender. His effort and aggression is something every young athlete should try to emulate.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Moses was kind of a PF/C tweener at 6'9" 6'10" as alot of those top centers are all 7 footers but I think Moses was a fantastic player, I caught him at the tail end if his career but if I needed a  rebounder it's him or rodman.

Rodman was just a relentless rebounder and Moses was just a ferocious one, sounded like he was going to pop the ball when he grabbed it.

If you consider Tim Duncan a center I'd put him right there with Olajuwon.  Most consider him a power forward, though.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Jason Williams in your top 5😳 and Anthony mason 🤔.

Jason Williams was fun to watch, he was good for a couple fancy dribbles and passes a game but defensively he was meh and as a shooter he was erratic.

Anthony Mason was an interesting player as he was like 250 lbs and would often be used as a point forward, he wasn't much of a shooter not much of a perimeter defender but the guy could bang down low with the bigs.

Is this your top 5 all time or top 5 favorite guys to watch or what???

This is more about favorites than rankings.  Jason Williams was a good enough shooter, but his playmaking was electric.

Anthony Mason was the genesis of the modern NBA point forward.  Not sure you watched a lot of those Knicks teams if you think Mason was not a good perimeter defender.  

Also, in building this team, you have plenty of scoring with Hakeem, Barkley and Klay, team is long, and would cause problems defensively.

I would definitely have Ron Harper on my bench at PG for defense, and my 6th man would be Clyde Drexler.

Other favorites on my bench would be Walt Williams, Rodman, Lamarcus Aldridge, Dan Majerle, Marcus Camby, John Starks

Damn i bet the expos were really holding out for his baseball career 

6 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I hate that younger people never got to see Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. All the nonsense later in his career distracts from the fact he was a relentless (and talented) rebounder and defender. His effort and aggression is something every young athlete should try to emulate.

Charles Barkley once said, three players in NBA history can take over a game without scoring.  Magic, Stockton and Rodman.

47 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I always liked Coleman, seemed eagles gave up on him way too early 

He had a solid career, especially for a 7th rounder

Jordan Poyer has also had a great career, although none of it as an Eagle. The Lurie Eagles have been tremendous with very late picks/UDFA’s.

Too bad Brady didn’t prove himself over his career to make the HoF.

8 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I hate that younger people never got to see Detroit Pistons Dennis Rodman. All the nonsense later in his career distracts from the fact he was a relentless (and talented) rebounder and defender. His effort and aggression is something every young athlete should try to emulate.

Yup, even though I grew up in Utah a jazz fan I loved watching the bad boys.

A lot of people don't know that when John Stockton was inducted into HOF he chose Isaiah Thomas to present him, one if the reasons Stockton made the Olympic dream team was because the selection committee brought in Jordan and Mike being the huge D he is said he wouldn't be in the team if Isaiah was, so they picked Stockton, it's no secret that Stockton also wasn't friends with Jordan either.

Should have kept Chris Mullin off and had Stockton and Isaiah.

But yeah most only knew rodman with the wild hair and all the crazy antics but before that he was an Intregal part of those bad boy teams.

Isaiah and Lambeer get all the notoriety but rodman and Dumars to me were the heart of those great teams 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Charles Barkley once said, three players in NBA history can take over a game without scoring.  Magic, Stockton and Rodman.

I'd agree with all 3 and more recently Rudy Gobert.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Too bad Brady didn’t prove himself over his career to make the HoF.

Could’ve really used that 23 year to strength his HOF argument. Gonna be a close call on if he gets in…..

56 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That ITB podcast was really interesting, from the Bradford trade to the Jefferson pick to why some of his picks failed to the use of analytics to eliminate players from their draft board to the use of psychological testing. 

It’s worth a listen. 

You see Rick Spielman is on ITB today. 

The closer it gets to the draft the more the media will hype up this QB class.  The more I learn about each of these guys, the less enthusiastic I am about the Eagles drafting them.

In the context of upgrading from Hurts, however, I'm inclined to say

Yes -- Pickett, Strong, Ridder

No -- Willis, Corral, Howell