5 minutes ago, greend said:

Nah, we'll just keep losing with Hurts. Better that than admitting that your fearless leader Howie is wrong about anything.

You've got it all wrong.  

Step 1: defend the pick under the notion that drafting backup QB's in round 2 is the new cutting edge thing to do to save $10m against the cap annually. 

Step 2: defend Hurts as the starter because, although terrible, he's cheap and the GM now has the opportunity to build a stacked roster (still waiting on that part).  

Step 3: Move on from Hurts after he fails, pin the pick on Doug, and say that Howie was right about him when he doesn't catch on with another team.

 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's cute they have matching back packs and jackets.  I guess Jeffrey wanted them to match.  

You thought the draft, depth chart, and scheme were the only things Lurie picks for Howie and Siri?

20 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I wonder if there's something to that. 

Yes.  He doesn't like them.  I'm sure he'll make strong mention of them in his HOF speech -- but you can bet he's not asking Belichick to give his intro speech.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I have never said that Hurts is the worst QB in the league, never even thought it.  But, comparing him to other QBs that aren't good enough and would be looking to upgrade from doesn't change my opinion that he's not good enough to build around.  There are only 3 camps in the NFL when it comes to QBs... you either have the QB you desire, you have a QB that you think you can make into the QB you desire, or you search desperately for the QB you desire.      I believe the Eagles should be in the desperate search... they can't convince themselves that Hurts is the guy.  He's not.  His failures last year were the same as this year, not due to his best WR being Greg Ward.

 

I don't think that AFan and I do agree with the 'grab a franchise QB when you can'.  He seems pretty solidly in the build the team first, then get the QB.  The biggest issue with that plan is that you can't assume you will be in position to get the QB you want.  Chip Kelly desperately wanted Mariota, to the point that he was willing to trade the moon to get him, but the Titans wouldn't move out of that pick, because they wanted him too.  Same with the Dolphins and Burrow (according to recent reports), but the Bengals had no interest in moving out of #1, because they also wanted Burrow.  So, the build first - get the QB later plan which causes you to pass on a QB now, because you are assuming you can get one just as good later is where we disagree.  There's no guarantee ever in the NFL of that, and so you have to strike when the opportunity arises... unless you are in the first camp... and maybe if you are in the second... but maybe.

But I think all three of us agree on not mortgaging the future on an older QB because the team isn’t that close and I suspect we all agree that we don’t see the QB the team should think is the one they can build into the one they desire in the draft.  I worry about desperate because, like it or not, this year we are stuck with Howie and desperate Howie does stupid things in trying to acquire players.  I do expect them to perform due diligence on all the QBs in the draft and available in free agency.  But I expect that same level of attention for every position on the team.

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I just hate Howie so much.

Why?  He brought a notebook with him.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Yes.  He doesn't like them.  

Hey a HOF QB has something in common with me!

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You've got it all wrong.  

Step 1: defend the pick under the notion that drafting backup QB's in round 2 is the new cutting edge thing to do to save $10m against the cap annually. 

Step 2: defend Hurts as the starter because, although terrible, he's cheap and the GM now has the opportunity to build a stacked roster (still waiting on that part).  

Step 3: Move on from Hurts after he fails, pin the pick on Doug, and say that Howie was right about him when he doesn't catch on with another team.

 

yup

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You've got it all wrong.  

Step 1: defend the pick under the notion that drafting backup QB's in round 2 is the new cutting edge thing to do to save $10m against the cap annually. 

Step 2: defend Hurts as the starter because, although terrible, he's cheap and the GM now has the opportunity to build a stacked roster (still waiting on that part).  

Step 3: Move on from Hurts after he fails, pin the pick on Doug, and say that Howie was right about him when he doesn't catch on with another team.

 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Some of you are way off on Emerson , best Z CB in the draft , but can play press man , and reroute receivers with his size and physical play , really smart player , with nice smooth feet , tremendous against the run , and a text book tackler , his 4.59 yards per target allowed , second in the sec , only Jobe was better . I take him all day long mid to late rd 2 .

 Agree he is a good zone corner and has the size for press man.  But he doesn’t redirect with a fluid hip flip.  Watching, what I can on televised games, I see separation. I will give you that he doesn’t seem grabby.  Strikes me as a boundary corner.  Of course, Mississippi State does play a lot of zone.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

 Agree he is a good zone corner and has the size for press man.  But he doesn’t redirect with a fluid hip flip.  Watching, what I can on televised games, I see separation. I will give you that he doesn’t seem grabby.  Strikes me as a boundary corner.  Of course, Mississippi State does play a lot of zone.  

If so, don't want.

 

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Why?  He brought a notebook with him.

I can just picture Ben Stiller playing him in a movie and that irks me too.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I hope all these athletes are ready to show off their competitive streak through a series of RPS challenges. 

 

Gotta love the first reply

 

 

 

These really made me laugh

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Please don't try to draw a parallel between Warren Moon and Jalen Hurts.

I went to watch Moon in 1979 and I'll never forget seeing him in pre-game warmups; with little more than a flick of his wrist he could deliver the football 50 yards on a line.  Moon is so far above Hurts in arm talent it's almost like trying to assert Tim Tebow can become John Elway.

Hurts cannot throw with zip; he is physically incapable of doing it.  Hurts cannot anticipate coverages or read defenses pre-snap.  He lacks a plus-arm, he lacks processing ability, and worst of all he's not accurate.  He is what he is, and what he's going to be.  

I am impressed you went to an Eskimos game in 1979. 

You completely missed my point about Moon.  I was at a lot of his games with the Oilers in the mid 80s.  Even with his CFL experience, he was raw. Oh so raw.  Those first three years were pretty bad. Tremendous arm talent but would get nervous in the pocket.  We called it "happy feet.”  He would start to shuffle and then do something horrendous.  More interceptions than TDs.  But he developed. Eventually the happy feet went away.  (The fumbling never did.). What I said is Warren Moon taught me hope, not that Hurts is like Moon. 
 

 

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Gotta love the first reply

 

 

Howie and Sirianni looking like they're at a college reunion and preparing for one last night out on the town

Myjai Sanders had 10 pressures against Alabama. That’s impressive.

 

Probably thinking to them selves that those QB's are doing it wrong, they should be dancing in circles , bailing out of the pocket and running for for 10 yard gains, instead of passing it to the wide open WR's

 

 

Anyone remember the "arm talent” Paxton Lynch had coming out? Pretty sure he had a stronger arm than Wentz.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Inconceivable. They missed Hurts.

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Mahomes will smash everything Brady did except(maybe) superbowls). 

 

Mahomes will obliterate all statistical passing records. 

He also, as of 2 weeks from now, ***SHOULD*** have 3 SB titles.  The fact that he'll only have one is a direct result of 2 major choke jobs on his part.

He should be the favorite to win the SB every year...but how many titles he racks up will depend on how much he can be like Brady in the playoffs...ie not a hero, but relentlessly consistent and opportunistic as the moment becomes too much for everyone else.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

He didn't look off the safety at all on that throw.  A better safety probably at least makes a play on the ball.  

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Mahomes will smash everything Brady did except(maybe) superbowls). 

 

If he stays healthy and can play as long as Brady did.

With the way Mahomes plays and all his scrambling around for 10 seconds,  he won't last as long.  Brady lasted as long as he did by avoiding hits and getting the ball out quick.  Something Mahomes doesn't do enough.

 

NSFW  But funny

 

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