I really don't understand what the hell is taking so long for the Texans to make a coaching decision. At least the Jags can use the Trent Baalke excuse. Make a move already.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I really don't understand what the hell is taking so long for the Texans to make a coaching decision. At least the Jags can use the Trent Baalke excuse. Make a move already.

They even had Brady’s retirement and the Flores lawsuit to take away attention from their impending bad hire. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I really don't understand what the hell is taking so long for the Texans to make a coaching decision. At least the Jags can use the Trent Baalke excuse. Make a move already.

Supposedly they really like McCown but are hesitant to pull the trigger due to no other team interviewing him. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/21/texans-hope-someone-else-will-interview-josh-mccown/

Wonder if they are just waiting for the other positions to fill and shrug and say they had no other choice.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I really don't understand what the hell is taking so long for the Texans to make a coaching decision. At least the Jags can use the Trent Baalke excuse. Make a move already.

I wonder if it's been offered to Kevin O'Connell, but he's holding out for the Vikings job.

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think the bribery for losses accusation is the far more damaging one for the NFL.

That's my thinking. How is paying coaches to lose not equivalent to throwing games? That should coexist nicely with the NFL's embrace of legal gambling, shouldn't it?

Spoiler

We should get to see how well Goodell and company dance. Gonna need some fancy footwork here.

 

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Supposedly they really like McCown but are hesitant to pull the trigger due to no other team interviewing him. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/21/texans-hope-someone-else-will-interview-josh-mccown/

Wonder if they are just waiting for the other positions to fill and shrug and say they had no other choice.

Out of all the dumb things they do, I have a hard time believing hiring Josh McCown is the final straw. They are already down to two guys no one else wants and Brian Flores whose radioactive right now. Just pick one. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I wonder if it's been offered to Kevin O'Connell, but he's holding out for the Vikings job.

Could be, but now that O'Connell has the Vikings job they shouldn't be waiting on anything.

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Every time PIT or Saints brass looks at a QB, Howie and Nick should be right there taking notes.  Make PIT, NO trade up over you to grab Corral and Willis -- push the other players down the board.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Every time PIT or Saints brass looks at a QB, Howie and Nick should be right there taking notes.  Make PIT, NO trade up over you to grab Corral and Willis -- push the other players down the board.

Or trade #16 to Pittsburgh so they can jump over NOLA (and pick up an extra 2)  and then trade #15 to the Saints so they can jump over Pittsburgh (and pick up another 2).  The same non-QBs will get pushed down and we could have 3 1sts and 3 2nds

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Out of all the dumb things they do, I have a hard time believing hiring Josh McCown is the final straw. They are already down to two guys no one else wants and Brian Flores whose radioactive right now. Just pick one. 

Could be, but now that O'Connell has the Vikings job they shouldn't be waiting on anything.

Based off the Vikings beatwriter that was on ESPN yesterday, the Vikings aren’t allowed to announce it until after the Super Bowl is over

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Well if they aren’t willing to sit them for at least a year, that’s probably a mistake because each of these players is a project.  You can ruin a QB by starting them too soon.  So this year, probably third string.  Player in open competition the second year and loser replaces Minshew.  Might be a two year sit.  There has been real success from sitting QBs.  Mahommes, Romo, Rodgers, Favre, Warner, etc.  The rebuild won’t be finished this draft so that allows the project to grow into the role. 

Which is why I said "at least long term"

4 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

Or trade #16 to Pittsburgh so they can jump over NOLA (and pick up an extra 2)  and then trade #15 to the Saints so they can jump over Pittsburgh (and pick up another 2).  The same non-QBs will get pushed down and we could have 3 1sts and 3 2nds

A good plan, but would put you in a bad position with trades in the future if you were to do something like that. 

If we were gonna do that, I would trade 16 to NO and then screw them by trading 15 to Pitt.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Based off the Vikings beatwriter that was on ESPN yesterday, the Vikings aren’t allowed to announce it until after the Super Bowl is over

Yea. It's a Josh McDaniels to Colts deal. Could always fall apart but seems likely. Vikings called the other finalists to say the jobs taken.

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Shocking.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/49ers-fan-in-coma-after-beating-outside-sofi-stadium/

I mean they won, why beat the crap out of a losing fan?

Just now, greend said:

I mean they won, why beat the crap out of a losing fan?

Lets be real, it probably wasn't even a Rams fan

9 minutes ago, Han Solo said:

Or trade #16 to Pittsburgh so they can jump over NOLA (and pick up an extra 2)  and then trade #15 to the Saints so they can jump over Pittsburgh (and pick up another 2).  The same non-QBs will get pushed down and we could have 3 1sts and 3 2nds

I don't think the Eagles are the trading spot for those teams; they're going to have to trade up higher.  Quite a few teams in the top 12 who are in the QB market -- CAR, DEN, Commodores (WTF their name is), even Vikings.  Might require a move into the top 10.  It should be an exciting first night of the draft.

Pretty funny, Howard Eskin was on WIP just now saying the Eagles weren't tanking the 2020 game against Washington and were actually trying to win it the whole time. According to him Doug promised Sudfeld the entire second half to showcase his talent since he was a free agent to be, but went with Hurts for the 3rd Quarter to win the game, and then only went to Sudfeld because he practiced all week and was promised playing time. 

 

Eagles trying hard to distance themselves from Tankgate with that explanation. 

Not sure if this has been brought up but does Washington changing their name give fans a chance to leave and go to another team?

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It should be an exciting first night of the draft, until the Eagles selection when Lowie does something incredibly stupid, again

FYP

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Pretty funny, Howard Eskin was on WIP just now saying the Eagles weren't tanking the 2020 game against Washington and were actually trying to win it the whole time. According to him Doug promised Sudfeld the entire second half to showcase his talent since he was a free agent to be, but went with Hurts for the 3rd Quarter to win the game, and then only went to Sudfeld because he practiced all week and was promised playing time. 

 

Eagles trying hard to distance themselves from Tankgate with that explanation. 

That was the explanation at the time -- Sudfeld just stunk.  What Doug didn't recognize was, Sudfeld always stunk.

Didn't matter anyway; the Eagles were not winning that game whether Sudfeld stunk up the 4th quarter or Mr. 7-for-20 had finished the game.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That was the explanation at the time -- Sudfeld just stunk.  What Doug didn't recognize was, Sudfeld always stunk.

Didn't matter anyway; the Eagles were not winning that game whether Sudfeld stunk up the 4th quarter or Mr. 7-for-20 had finished the game.

Similar explanation but they added the whole "he would have started even sooner but we really tried to win so we put Hurts out there longer than we wanted"

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't think the Eagles are the trading spot for those teams; they're going to have to trade up higher.  Quite a few teams in the top 12 who are in the QB market -- CAR, DEN, Commodores (WTF their name is), even Vikings.  Might require a move into the top 10.  It should be an exciting first night of the draft.

I think it’s Commodore 64’s. 

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I think it’s Commodore 64’s. 

Washington Commandments

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are discussing this from different sides.   You are discussing the intent of the rule, which is the theory.  He is discussing the reality of the coaching carousel.  There's no legal tampering period where you can meet with coaches, but not officially sign anyone.  So, you are competing with all the other teams that have vacancies at the same time.  So, if you get the first guy you want to come in for an interview first, and he wows you... you can't officially sign him until you've met the quota of coaches to meet the Rooney Rule requirement.  And in the meantime, you watch that coach go to other teams and interview elsewhere.  To teams that might have already met that criteria and could sign him immediately.  So, how is a team to handle that?   Handshake and wink agreements when the coach leaves and then the team has to go through the process with other candidates, knowing they've already locked in the one they want.  

 

For me, the Giants situation doesn't seem like anything other than the reality of the new GM wanting to bring in a guy he was familiar with over a guy he had less familiarity with.  He brought in Daboll for 2 interviews and Frazier for 2 interviews... and in the midst of that was looking at some other candidates, but I think that was more due diligence, I think his decision was made when he took the GM job, and the leaning toward offensive HC put the bullseye pretty squarely on Daboll.  He'd have had to really screw it up to not get the job.  That doesn't mean it was racially motivated.  It was network and philosophy driven.   

 

The biggest question that remains for me on the race of head coaches is why are there so few minority OCs... that seems to be where the vast majority of HC candidates are coming from, so that's the pipeline that needs to be addressed. 

 

I think the bribery for losses accusation is the far more damaging one for the NFL.

I am talking about it from a legal standpoint but that's the only thing that matters from the perspective of the lawsuit. Please go back and read my response.  If Flores was treated like everyone who interviewed after Daboll, then I do not think there is an issue.  If Flores was treated differently than everyone that interviewed after Daboll, then there is an issue.  A discrimination claim does not need a specific intent.  I am not sure how it will play out because I do not know what the numbers look like but I can say Flores doesn't need some smoking gun.  While your summary of the NFL hiring process is accurate, it does not mean that the hiring process isn't racially discriminatory under current law if there is a disparate impact based on race.  

This is the EEOC's summary of the law with regard to potential claims that I think would potentially fit this category:

The maintenance of a neutral employment policy or practice which perpetuates past discrimination may also violate Title VII.  For example, if respondent previously refused to hire Blacks for certain job categories and presently hires most of its employees for those jobs through word-of-mouth recruitment by current employees, the policy may perpetuate the respondent's past discriminatory hiring practices.  Commission Decision No. 75-281, CCH Employment Practices Guide ¶ 6455; Commission Decision No. 71-359, CCH EEOC Decisions (1973) ¶ 6172. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/cm-604-theories-discrimination

Less is more, John 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Pretty funny, Howard Eskin was on WIP just now saying the Eagles weren't tanking the 2020 game against Washington and were actually trying to win it the whole time. According to him Doug promised Sudfeld the entire second half to showcase his talent since he was a free agent to be, but went with Hurts for the 3rd Quarter to win the game, and then only went to Sudfeld because he practiced all week and was promised playing time. 

 

Eagles trying hard to distance themselves from Tankgate with that explanation. 

In fairness, the team did nothing wrong by seeing what they had in Sudfield as a player.  It's not like Sudfield was told to go out and suck.