Just now, Bacarty2 said:

thats my thoughts. 

funny, or ironic, or whatever you call it, I think he'd love a Wentz type of guy. Strong, big arm and then last ditch effort he can run. 

Dare I say Kurt* Cousins.

Yeah except Wentz is a head case.

Cousins is never the answer for anything, unless one is having a stat padder competition then he's your guy 

Lol

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

And they got a not very strong RB.

I think Sanders is possibly one of the eagles most overrated players ever 

He's always hurt has yet to break 1000 has regressed as a receiver and Lane Johnson had more Tds than him this year.

Maybe it's because he's a local kid, he's been ok lots of room for improvement coming into his 4th rookie season😉

I have less of a problem with Miles Sanders’ skill set and talent. I think his skill set is fine. You’d like them to be better as a pass catcher because I think he’s kind of going in the opposite direction from his rookie year (this year he was better in that then 2020). Also would like to see him improve on his pass protection because I thought rookie year he was better than i thought he’d be and his second year he wasn’t good in that area (either was Scott that year if we are being honest). Last year he was OK. 

The problem with him is he is injury prone and i wouldn’t give him a second contract that is a big money contract. He leaves More games then you like early or missed multiple weeks. I’m not paying a running back who at a young age with not a lot of miles coming into the NFL has had issues staying healthy. I think part of the reason he doesn’t get the touches people want him to is because of his injury concerns. They haven’t continuously given him 20 touches a game and he’s still having these problems. So I don’t know how you can give him more touches and think he’s just gonna stay healthy. Meanwhile when you’re giving them about 14 to 17 touches and he hasn’t stayed healthy 

33 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The advantage of legs is you can win games while learning, which is exactly what Hurts did this year. Who would have bet on this team winning 9 games?

He's had one year starting, 4 schemes in 4 years, it's not unreasonable to see what he can do in 2022, then make a decision. Even if you were to draft Willis, you'd be stupid to start him as a rookie.

Hurts has adequate arm strength, he needs work on mechanics to be more consistent and accurate, especially moving to his left. Hopefully, if Omicron burns out, they'll have a normal offseason and be able to work with him more than last year. And it will help being in the same scheme two straight years when it comes to anticipation.

While I think Hurts has room to improve, I am not hopeful that his upside is anywhere near what would be needed at QB.  He's a functional back up to low end starter.  The team needs to focus on obtaining another player at the position with more potential.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I have less of a problem with Miles Sanders’ skill set and talent. I think his skill set is fine. You’d like them to be better as a pass catcher because I think he’s kind of going in the opposite direction from his rookie year (this year he was better in that then 2020). Also would like to see him improve on his pass protection because I thought rookie year he was better than i thought he’d be and his second year he wasn’t good in that area (either was Scott that year if we are being honest). Last year he was OK. 

The problem with him is he is injury prone and i wouldn’t give him a second contract that is a big money contract. He leaves More games then you like early or missed multiple weeks. I’m not paying a running back who at a young age with not a lot of miles coming into the NFL has had issues staying healthy. I think part of the reason he doesn’t get the touches people want him to is because of his injury concerns. They haven’t continuously given him 20 touches a game and he’s still having these problems. So I don’t know how you can give him more touches and think he’s just gonna stay healthy. Meanwhile when you’re giving them about 14 to 17 touches and he hasn’t stayed healthy 

Yup the Injuries are a concern, I also thought his vision this year at times was atrocious.

 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Let me start by saying, I dont think Cousins is the answer. 

But I take Cousins over Hurtzzz every day of the week. Especially with NS as the play caller. 

Yup, cousins is an accomplished passer, it's just never added up to anything for him, he's the least clutch QB I've ever seen.

But he can operate an offense and make all the throws and put up lots of stats, some how never leads to wins🤷‍♂️

Hurts for all his faults as a passer, he's a gamer, a swaggy one😉

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The advantage of legs is you can win games while learning, which is exactly what Hurts did this year. Who would have bet on this team winning 9 games?

He's had one year starting, 4 schemes in 4 years, it's not unreasonable to see what he can do in 2022, then make a decision. Even if you were to draft Willis, you'd be stupid to start him as a rookie.

Hurts has adequate arm strength, he needs work on mechanics to be more consistent and accurate, especially moving to his left. Hopefully, if Omicron burns out, they'll have a normal offseason and be able to work with him more than last year. And it will help being in the same scheme two straight years when it comes to anticipation.

Yup.  It can be an advantage.  It can also be a negative.  How did they win those games?   They completely revamped the offense to something that they don't seem as though they want their offense to be.  I believe that they hurt the development of their WRs by limiting their opportunities as well.  The NFL is a passing league and the Eagles were forced to cater the offense to a QB that's worst feature is his passing.  

 

The more important thing is that ultimately, the goal isn't to win games against the weakest teams in the league.  The real goal is to be able to compete with the big boys and compete for a Super Bowl.   And what we saw from Hurts is that he's not going to be that guy.  Sure, he can improve.  But, even when he improves, he's still going to be a guy with limited vision, limited accuracy, and limited arm strength.  The vision can be expanded, but great vision is a God-given ability.  It can only be improved so much.  His accuracy can be improved with more reps, but again, it's only going to get so good (And I am not talking about completion percentage).  And finally, his arm strength... that's pretty much what it is.  At this point, we know what he needs to do to throw the ball deep... most of the time, to throw the ball deep he has to put everything he has into it, and when you do that you really lose accuracy.  

 

He's not the answer.   They need a better option, but finding one is the hard part.  Personally, I'd rather roll with a QB who can actually run the offense they plan to use when they are real contenders and develop the ancillary pieces, while they work to find the QB that can do what they need from the QB position.   There's only so much you can do to cater to your QB.  You can emphasize certain things, but when your QB's worst skills are all in the passing game, then you are pretty much stuck in between a rock and a hard place.   

 

Here's the problem with Hurts...
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-hurts/32004855-5276-7022-85cf-a74490936f42

Strengths
Finished with 38-4 record as a starter - Irrelevant in the NFL
Tremendous leadership qualities - not a passing strength
Extremely tough and durable - Not about his passing, but his ability to take punishment as a runner.
Shows poise to make plays late in games - Not make throws, 'make plays'... still really about his legs.
Has experience in a variety of schemes - Not exactly... the schemes have all been pretty much centered on his running.  When a team needed a passer, they benched him.
Able to step and drive with adequate velocity - When he does everything right... he gets his velocity all the way up to "Adequate"
Uses athletic ability and strength to elude pocket pressure - And, we've seen him use that athletic ability to elude phantom pressures as well, because this is his first instinct... to make plays, not reads.
Play extender who can make big plays on the move - Again... making 'plays', not making the right read.  This is still all about his mobility.
Good accuracy on intermediate passes - I don't think this is actually that true, but we FINALLY have a passing strength.  But, it's debatable. 
Capable as rollout passer - Trend?   On the move again.  This is a nice added bonus.  But, I don't remember Brady or Manning being asked to do this much, primarily because they didn't have to compensate.
Talented, powerful runner from direct snap and RPO - Goody.  Let's have our QB lower his shoulder and pick up extra yards by trying to run over LBs.
Leg drive to move piles and fall forward behind his pads  - See above.

 

Where are the passing strengths being mentioned?   This is who he is.  And he should have never been drafted by a team that wants to PASS the ball as much as the Eagles do.  Just a square peg in a round hole.  

Kelce is going to be on WIP in 10 minutes. It's mostly to talk about SB 52 but curious if they press on retirement at all. 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

As we have seen time and time again with qbs, the running to win games vs bad teams actually inhibits their learning from the pocket 

and hurts has an adequate arm only on his best day. He is a career backup

Exactly!   It is against those bad teams that he should be working to get better in the pocket.  Against weaker competition you work on your weaknesses to improve them, so that when you play the better competition, that can easily shut down your strength, you have a counter.   The Bucs did exactly what needs to be done against Hurts.  Load the LOS, put an extra body or two to the right side and force him left.   And when you do that, he's not even remotely an 'average' QB.  He becomes Jake Fromm and those other QBs this team feasted against.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep...And my dad was never an Eagle fan.  Always kind of made fun of them choking all the time.  Few days before he started to loose his awareness, he asked how the Eagles did.  I told him that they won but their star QB looks to be hurt for the rest of the season and they won't go that far in the playoffs.  His response...."Nah...I think they got it this year".

 

Crazy.  

He must've known. Sorry again for the loss buddy.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Watched more Willis. Really quick release. Tight arm motion. 

He's some great clay to work with... shorter than ideal, but also needs to be retrained almost from the ground up like Bill Walsh did with Steve Young.  Any team bringing him in needs to bring him along very slowly and make him a passer with mobility, and not a runner who can throw.   Not a first round pick to me at all. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's some great clay to work with... shorter than ideal, but also needs to be retrained almost from the ground up like Bill Walsh did with Steve Young.  Any team bringing him in needs to bring him along very slowly and make him a passer with mobility, and not a runner who can throw.   Not a first round pick to me at all. 

Yup he has tools but yeah he's been a 1 read and run QB so he needs some work.

38 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not saying they should or shouldn’t do it, but imagine the board/blog losing its mind and melting down if they gave up all 3 firsts to move up to get a QB in what’s considered a poor QB class. Then again the eagles took miles sanders in a draft that wasn’t considered a very strong RB class

I’m 100% fine with it. If they do that then it’s on NS and Howie to make it work. If it doesn’t work then they’re both out. 

42 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not saying they should or shouldn’t do it, but imagine the board/blog losing its mind and melting down if they gave up all 3 firsts to move up to get a QB in what’s considered a poor QB class. Then again the eagles took miles sanders in a draft that wasn’t considered a very strong RB class

I'd rather they make that move if they feel strongly about the guy then just sitting there at 51 and taking some guy who falls. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

7 out of 5 Howie's - You outsmarted yourself.  I think there's maybe more talent at DE than CB in the late first range.  I would like one DE or Edge prospect if they are using all 3 picks. Lloyd would be good.   I am not sure if Skyy Moore is a person or a place.  Bailey Zappe is also a fictional character and not a NFL prospect. If they are looking at QBs outside the first, I think EJ Perry would be worth a pick.  

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  It can be an advantage.  It can also be a negative. 

The negative being you end up with the 15th - 20th pick every year, while barely making / not making the playoffs.  That leaves you in no man's land trying to get a QB.

Eagles have the capital this year, and need to find a QB while they have the capital to do it.

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh yeah. Thanks bud.  But yeah, not what that’s about.  I just think of that day 4 years ago.  Crazy man.  So many things just came together for us all.  

Let's hope that we can get back there. I have a bad feeling about that, though.

10 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I’m 100% fine with it. If they do that then it’s on NS and Howie to make it work. If it doesn’t work then they’re both out. 

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd rather they make that move if they feel strongly about the guy then just sitting there at 51 and taking some guy who falls. 

Don’t get me wrong I’m OK if they do it. Because then it’s telling me they must really love the kid and covet him to make that move. However I can totally see the majority of this board and blog having a complete meltdown about it.

I would take a flier on Coan later in draft  , or Barriere late 

Retiring in about 27 years so I put my name on the list today. 

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

That's why college stats are meaningless. You have to see film of college QBs under pressure in tough games, most decent prospects can put up big numbers playing pitch and catch, even in the NFL, stats against weak defenses should be taken with a grain of salt. Hitting wide open targets from a clean pocket is very different than finding targets under pressure against good coverage.

I think there has been studies on statistical correlation between college success and NFL success in QBs. I don't think they are meaningless but just like other information it is only part of the picture.  My concern during the game was that he was inaccurate and what appeared to be bad decisions.   Me watching one game is just a first impression and meaningless from any kind of fair analysis of him. Nevertheless, his performance in that game sticks with me in terms of looking at him as a prospect.   If I had just watched his game in 2020 against VaTech, I would think differently. 

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Retiring in about 27 years so I put my name on the list today. 

Oh look at you - Mr. I am going to retire one day.  

He has Pickett as the winner at QB, but because he was more consistent and looks more pro ready. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Holy F Jason Kelce is getting to me.  Getting emotional on the WIP interview.....WOW.  

Retirement vibes, or no?

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kelce is going to be on WIP in 10 minutes. It's mostly to talk about SB 52 but curious if they press on retirement at all. 

For anyone that's curious, he was non committal. Sounded like he was leaning towards retiring at first, then finished sounded like he'll be back. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  He's coming back.  I'm convinced.  

Alright, no more Baumer mocks then.