Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Can get a quality iOL in rounds 2-4. Zion johnson is being cross trained at C at the senior bowl

Who are the best handful of center prospects after Linderbaum?

Patham, Johnson, Lindstrom, Jurgens, and who am I missing?

 

17 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’ve been wondering… If Kelce comes back, that would all but eliminate Linderbaum as a first-round pick for us, wouldn’t you think? As good as he is, it’s hard to carry a true backup center who doesn’t project to play guard.

I think ideally Kelce comes back and we draft our center of the future in round 3 or 4. I think Nebraska’s Cam Jurgens would make sense. He’s really athletic and could use a year of learning under Kelce. Unfortunately, he might be a center only too.  

I really like Zion Johnson as a RG then eventually C option. Unsure if he lasts to our pick in round 2... If not him, then I like Dinnard, Ryan, Penning, Tyler Smith as options for RG. They can't get complacent and just let Seumalo/Driscoll battle for that position. Our o-line is one of the elite lines in the NFL and we can't allow it to slip.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’ve been wondering… If Kelce comes back, that would all but eliminate Linderbaum as a first-round pick for us, wouldn’t you think? As good as he is, it’s hard to carry a true backup center who doesn’t project to play guard.

I think ideally Kelce comes back and we draft our center of the future in round 3 or 4. I think Nebraska’s Cam Jurgens would make sense. He’s really athletic and could use a year of learning under Kelce. Unfortunately, he might be a center only too.  

Agreed - with Baumer you are paying for a light center with an incredible amount of polish and solid athleticism - a high floor for a ZBS. Given time which Kelce will likely give us, Stout could train up a heavier prospect with as much athleticism that has C/G versatility at a lower cost (e.g., Zion, Parham, Strange).

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Who are the best handful of center prospects after Linderbaum?

Patham, Johnson, Lindstrom, Jurgens, and who am I missing?

Not sure how many guards can play it. Seems like a decent crop. Inthink kelce returns so i have RG more as the priority 

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Hurts, Dillard and a third. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Consider it done.  Jimmy G is a mid-tier QB, but the Steelers are in no-man’s land at QB

7 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Steelers know they wont have a shot at Pickett. My thought s are still that Howie loves Kenny and will go all in on him. Steelers wont be able to complete against us in getting Pickett. 

People might not like hearing that and honestly I dont want to give up all the resources either but the signs do point to Howie getting his guy. The only thing we can hope for is Pickett will fall a bit over the next month and we only have to give up a small amount to move up to get him. 

13 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

You call Nelson, Harris and McLeod a rebuild of the secondary?  (Or do you think the McPhearson, Vincent, Scott, Gowan are the rebuild?)  Taylor, Bradley, Johnson and Stevens a rebuild of the linebackers?  Williams, Marlon T and Jackson with another one year rental of Ridgeway rebuilt the DL?

Smtih alone a rebuild of the receiver corp or do you still hold out hope for JJAW and Reagor? Howard?  Jackson and Stoll.  The deterioration in pass protection from the interior of the OL (you mustn’t forget that you were critical of the OL in pass protection in the season.

Now Dickerson, if he can remain healthy looks like one piece of the OL puzzle but Brooks is gone and Seumalo has a foot injury that is probably a lis franc.  Driscoll is a nice back up but RG and soon C will be an issue.

Cox is on his last legs and Hargrave has a year left on his contract.  So "rebuilt this team in 2021”. More like got lucky on Dickerson (so far) given his love for second round gambles and didn’t blow his third round choice on an athletic project (this time) in Williams.  

You just buy into Howie’s excuses too much.  He isn’t the worse GM in the league but he isn’t the best either.  His methodology in drafting and signing players has been all over the board.  That is part of the problem.  Measuring ankles with Chip. Dream team signings with AR. Reaches to fill holes.  JJAW with Jeffery aging is no different than the old Canadien fireman.   Douglas’s success in college, abandoning the Chip athletic model.  Who knows what his analytics are now.  Attempts to get injured "steals” too high.  QB factory.  Keeping the band together. (Enabling instead of being the voice of reason isn’t a good look in leadership.)

Did I say the rebuild is finished? That was year one, I don't see them ready to compete until at least 2023 and probably 2024.

That's why I don't want to trade for an aging QB right now.

But they made a lot of progress last season, digging out of the wreckage. They should make more this year. By 2023, most of the cap overhang will be gone.

Howie is best in this element, hustling for value (Edwards, Awosika, Opeta, Herbig, Stoll, Jackson, etc.)

Now in three years we'll see if he learned from 2018-20 and avoids giving up rich contracts to players on the downside of their careers.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Consider it done.  Jimmy G is a mid-tier QB, but the Steelers are in no-man’s land at QB

Counter offer, Jalen Hurts for a third 

 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurts, Dillard and a third. 

Jimmy G, No Thank you

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Jimmy G, No Thank you

I was kidding.

11 hours ago, austinfan said:

Howie even admits he tried too hard to keep the SB team together, but it doesn't change the fact that he rebuilt this team in 2016 and won a SB in 2017, rebuilt this team in 2021 and made the playoffs and has set it up for future success.

And if Hurts sucks as much as people say he does, that means Howie built a pretty good team to go 9-8 with a below average QB.

This is a possibility.  

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I was kidding.

Hurts is better than Jimmy. Hurts for a 2nd and trade a 1+2 for Carr.

11 hours ago, austinfan said:

Howie even admits he tried too hard to keep the SB team together, but it doesn't change the fact that he rebuilt this team in 2016 and won a SB in 2017, rebuilt this team in 2021 and made the playoffs and has set it up for future success.

And if Hurts sucks as much as people say he does, that means Howie built a pretty good team to go 9-8 with a below average QB.

Helps we had the easiest back end sch in the NFL and a really bad NFC. Not to mention the dumb NFL adding an additional team to the playoffs which resulted in unwatchable NFL games in the wildcard round. If the NFC East wasnt the worst in the league we would have been lucky to get 5-6 wins and picking in the top 10. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hurts is better than Jimmy. Hurts for a 2nd and trade a 1+2 for Carr.

That’s just incorrect. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hurts is better than Jimmy. Hurts for a 2nd and trade a 1+2 for Carr.

You guys have to get over the over priced 2nd-3rd tier NFL QBs. Your better off drafting a new QB every year to get that possible hit and not kill your cap on a over paid player who wont do much better then what we have in Hurts. 

5 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

That’s just incorrect. 

You're right. Hurts is a better player, who is both younger and cheaper than Jimmy. He's much more valuable. I should have pushed it further.

12 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

If Jimmy wasn't 30 and injury prone I would consider it, but then he also wouldn't go for that cheap.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Did I say the rebuild is finished? That was year one, I don't see them ready to compete until at least 2023 and probably 2024.

That's why I don't want to trade for an aging QB right now.

But they made a lot of progress last season, digging out of the wreckage. They should make more this year. By 2023, most of the cap overhang will be gone.

Howie is best in this element, hustling for value (Edwards, Awosika, Opeta, Herbig, Stoll, Jackson, etc.)

Now in three years we'll see if he learned from 2018-20 and avoids giving up rich contracts to players on the downside of their careers.

You said "rebuilt this team in 2021”, so my response was based on that.  Not finished?  Barely begun.  What you miss is that his retooling efforts basically fell flat. That led to the current situation as much as keeping the band together.

As far as the UDFAs.  That is lower level staff hitting the phones, not Howie.  When they are being lined up, Howie is doing the post draft press conference.  One thing that has been a success is when they listen to the scouts.  That tends to be lower rounds and UDFAs, so I stick with my enabler comment and poor strategy comments. 

I don’t get why you can’t seem to admit Howie’s flaws.