32 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Yea TJ, it’s gonna be a rough next several years for you my man. You’ll be watching Hurts QB your favorite team for a while still.

 

And win a bunch of games while at it.

 

Hopefully you hang in there.

It wont be more than one more season i can bet heavily on that. You are emotionally invested so your judgement is ruined. You have hope not evidence. Poor thought process.

all i care about is winning another title. I do not enjoy mediocrity. 

the only key player thats showed signs of getting more time is sirianni. Gannon i have serious doubts about. 

part of success is not throwing good money and time after a bad decision. Look at how AZ moved on from Rosen to Murray when they realized they got it wrong. Thats good process. Misses are inevitable, but dont hang on to them. Thats how you end up with stiffs like jj and reagor clogging the roster.

10 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

Muma didn’t get much credit for this hustle play because Willis is the hero of the week. 

What was so ridiculous about that?  Gino's head would have popped off watching Randall, Donovan or Vick. 

34 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Would start prepping for that reality right now. No need to wait until November 2022 when it will become all too obvious.

Easy money. Say 100 to a charity of the others choice? Zero chance hurts is here 2023. Hell i go further and say no chance he takes us to the playoffs next year.

A few new names on here

 

Gerrit Prince- man, theres not a lot to watch, but he is intriguing. Hes about 6'5'' 240, and he looks like he moves like a WR.

 

Blaise Andries- The Other OT at Minnesota. 6'6.5'' 315. Developmental guy. Played every position except C. I dont know where I just read about him. I thought it was on TDN but I cant find it now. Their scouting report compares him to Connor McDermott in the NFL.

 

11 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Seriously, if Hurts sucks so bad that the Eagles want to dump him for Minshew, do you really think he has trade value?

I think this is the highest Hurts trade value will ever be.  He's coming off of a Pro Bowl alternate season and he's the media darling.  He single handedly led the Eagles to the playoffs according to some people so he's a quarterback capable of leading a team to the post season.  Russell Wilson didn't even get the Seahawks to the playoffs and people are talking about 3 1sts for him and that huge salary.

A smart team would offer 2 1st round picks or multiple players to get a player of Hurts caliber on his rookie deal for 2 more years.  Opportunities like this don't come very often for a team like the Eagles to capitalize on the potential return for a young player.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What was so ridiculous about that?  Gino's head would have popped off watching Randall, Donovan or Vick. 

The defense spotted him 10+ yards by playing beyond the sticks coverage. I probably would’ve been more impressed if he did his job, and hit the check down.

12 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Would start prepping for that reality right now. No need to wait until November 2022 when it will become all too obvious.

The chance of him being the guy for 2022 are 50/50. And when he shows, again, that he doesn’t have the brain or arm necessary to compete with other top QBs, the chances of 2023 will be basically zero. Cool hill to die on though for you, defending mediocrity. 

16 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The knock on Clark is that he isn’t particularly instinctive in coverage. Otherwise - he has great length, really good straight line speed and filled up the stat sheet at LSU as he could swallow up folks with that combo. Weirdly, he makes me think of Dennis Rodman playing football - really good energy but raw. Nigel Bradham as a more familiar comparison.

Rather than playing MIKE or WIL where he’d be expected to have more polished, I wonder if he is a SAM fit. 2-gap/hold the edge, drop occasionally and use his athleticism a la Parsons to pressure the QB. I think most of his blitzing at LSU was more of the delayed opportunistic variety - but he certainly has the wheels for stunts. Can he effectively attack an edge or have the hands to counter a lineman, that’s a question mark, and generally why I lean towards the 3-4OLB types for this role.

The more conservative judgement is that Clark is a 3-4 thumper.

I’m also a fan of D’marco Jackson. 

11 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Wilson obviously counts.  

Running QB is a measurement of running.  And Russell Wilson is one of the top QB rushers in NFL history.

Running QB doesn't mean bad passer.

Wilson is a QB who can run if needed, he is not Hurts or Lamar Jackson, a RB playing QB

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Wilson is a QB who can run if needed, he is not Hurts or Lamar Jackson, a RB playing QB

Without doubt there's a world of difference between them. Wilson tends to stay behind the LoS too.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Wilson is a QB who can run if needed, he is not Hurts or Lamar Jackson, a RB playing QB

Wilson and Watson aren't pure pocket QBs either, they scramble a lot, buying times for big plays but also garnering more sacks and hits than the average QB. Which is why they're "stat padders" to some extent, traditional QB rating doesn't account for sacks, so this strategy elevates their rating, but the measure used by FO and QBR dock them. And makes them vulnerable to the move toward "prevent" defenses that take away the big play, but they still give up the big sack.

I don;t see any chance Wilson traded to the Eagles. 

Yes Lurie loved Wilson 10 years ago in the draft. But does he still love him at his age and cap? Not to mention Wilson wants to win another championship now. We are years away. That plays a huge role since he has a no trade clause. 

Guys just have to get on board with we are drafting a QB. All the signs point to it. You can complain about all you want but just like everything else our complains wont matter. So either make peace with it or take out the front office staff. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

I don;t see any chance Wilson traded to the Eagles. 

Yes Lurie loved Wilson 10 years ago in the draft. But does he still over him at his age and cap? Not to mention Wilson wants to win another championship now. We are years away. That plays a huge role since he has a no trade clause. 

Guys just have to get on board with we are drafting a QB. All the signs point to it. You can complain about all you want but just like everything else our complains wont matter. So either make peace with it or take out the front office staff. 

I too believe we are far more likely to draft a QB then trade for one. 

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not debating whether Hurts was a "run first" QB or not in college because the term itself is ambiguous and can be interpreted based on opinion.

That said, going by your opinion that he was a "run first" QB in college...what does passing for 3851 yards at 11.3 yards per attempt with 32 TD passes in 14 games tell you about a "run first" QB?

 

What are you even talking about? My post was in response to every other Eagles QB brought in was a different style than Hurts. 

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not debating whether Hurts was a "run first" QB or not in college because the term itself is ambiguous and can be interpreted based on opinion.

That said, going by your opinion that he was a "run first" QB in college...what does passing for 3851 yards at 11.3 yards per attempt with 32 TD passes in 14 games tell you about a "run first" QB?

 

It tells me he had half as many TD's as Burrow.  Anthony Gordon of WSU had 16 more.  Shane Buechele, Ian Book, Brady White, Cold McDonald had more TD's.  

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

He already had a year to prove he could. And failed

Another thing not brought up nearly enough. This time last year it was "this is his year to prove himself”. Now it’s "he needs another year”. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Another thing not brought up nearly enough. This time last year it was "this is his year to prove himself”. Now it’s "he needs another year”. 

We gotta get through his rookie year first, so 2023 is the year he FINALLY has to prove himself.

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not debating whether Hurts was a "run first" QB or not in college because the term itself is ambiguous and can be interpreted based on opinion.

That said, going by your opinion that he was a "run first" QB in college...what does passing for 3851 yards at 11.3 yards per attempt with 32 TD passes in 14 games tell you about a "run first" QB?

 

It tells me you want to ignore that he ran 233 times against 340 pass attempts in that same season.  That’s a "run first” QB.

It’s also not ambiguous nor based on opinion.  A run/pass ratio over 20% doesn’t equate to long term success in the NFL — never has.

23 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Guys just have to get on board with we are drafting a QB. All the signs point to it. You can complain about all you want but just like everything else our complains wont matter. So either make peace with it or take out the front office staff. 

If they draft a qb, it is going to be Willis. And he's going top 6, so they aren't drafting a qb.

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

If they draft a qb, it is going to be Willis. And he's going top 6, so they aren't drafting a qb.

How do you figure?

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Another thing not brought up nearly enough. This time last year it was "this is his year to prove himself”. Now it’s "he needs another year”. 

Year to prove himself? It was his first year as a starter. We're not talking Darnold here. Or Trubisky.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How do you figure?

Because he's the only guy with the athletic ability and arm talent to be a top 5 qb. And they aren't going to waste a top pick on someone who has no shot at being top 5, since they already have a qb who is top 20.

4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I'm not debating whether Hurts was a "run first" QB or not in college because the term itself is ambiguous and can be interpreted based on opinion.

That said, going by your opinion that he was a "run first" QB in college...what does passing for 3851 yards at 11.3 yards per attempt with 32 TD passes in 14 games tell you about a "run first" QB?

 

Amen.  I grew up when the wishbone, option, veer and wing T were the popular offenses.  Those are truly run first offenses.  While there were absolutely designed runs for Hurts at both Alabama and Oklahoma, to call either of those offenses "run first” gives a new definition to "run first” for me.  Neither RO or RPO are run first offenses for the QB.  His passing to running rate in college was almost 2 to 1.   Factor in that a decent amount of his runs were one read and bail runs, those runs came on plays that were designed as pass first.  In the offenses I mention from when I was young, that pass to run rate for the QB would be close to 1 to 5, at least.  You would see games with the number of passes in the single digits.  Even the most prolific RO or RPO is rarely a 1 to 1 pass to run rate for the QB.  Now designed runs including the designed QB runs favored the run at Alabama and Oklahoma. But that is the case regardless of the QB.  Who wouldn’t run the ball with that stable of running backs?  But that’s not a "run first” for the QB.  

Prediction: The Texans are hiring McCown, but will wait until the weekend of the Super Bowl because of the Flores lawsuit.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Year to prove himself? It was his first year as a starter. We're not talking Darnold here. Or Trubisky.

Except we basically are