12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Year to prove himself? It was his first year as a starter. We're not talking Darnold here. Or Trubisky.

Is Hurts better than Trubisky?

 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Because he's the only guy with the athletic ability and arm talent to be a top 5 qb. And they aren't going to waste a top pick on someone who has no shot at being top 5, since they already have a qb who is top 20.

Massive disagree.

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Year to prove himself? It was his first year as a starter. We're not talking Darnold here. Or Trubisky.

You’re right, he shouldn’t have had a full year 

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Year to prove himself? It was his first year as a starter. We're not talking Darnold here. Or Trubisky.

Top 5 picks get more leash.  Hurts is a guy that was a reach in Round 2, and we all know it was Doug's idea to get him, right?  So, he's lost his biggest advocate, unless Howie is the guy responsible for the pick, in which case... BOOOOO Howie!

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Massive disagree.

So who else in this draft can be a top 5 qb?

Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen. Who has the talent to be fifth on that list?

If you watch Hurts and can't tell how ineffective he is as a passer, how could you possibly come to an accurate conclusion on any QB in the league? His passing ability is subpar. The difference in skill between the good passers and Hurts is huge. It blows my mind that some people who watch as much football as they do can't figure that out. This isn't anti-Hurts or anti-Howie. It's basic football knowledge.

You'd think you people would get tired over talking about nothing but QB but it just keeps continuing.  

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

So who else in this draft can be a top 5 qb?

Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen. Who has the talent to be fifth on that list?

Willis isn't a guy that I would put on that list.  BUT... I have no problem taking a flyer on Strong at some point.

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

It wont be more than one more season i can bet heavily on that. You are emotionally invested so your judgement is ruined. You have hope not evidence. Poor thought process.

all i care about is winning another title. I do not enjoy mediocrity. 

the only key player thats showed signs of getting more time is sirianni. Gannon i have serious doubts about. 

part of success is not throwing good money and time after a bad decision. Look at how AZ moved on from Rosen to Murray when they realized they got it wrong. Thats good process. Misses are inevitable, but dont hang on to them. Thats how you end up with stiffs like jj and reagor clogging the roster.

Depends on a lot of things.  Do the Eagles draft a QB this year?  Does Hurts improve to be a serviceable QB in 2022?  Do they sign or trade for a QB?  Winston as a FA, Wilson/Watson, for example.  When that occurs.  Only thing I would bet on regarding personnel in the NFL is that it changes.

The Cardinals are a bad example. They had the option of Murray.  At this point, the Eagles don’t have that option.  In a poor QB draft and a very good defense draft, it would be an epic fail, even for Howie, the king of the epic fail, to trade away a much in draft capital for any of these QBs.  If one they like falls, that might be a different story.  

So looking at 2023 UFAs and potential draft candidates,  who do you see there replacing Hurts.  

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You'd think you people would get tired over talking about nothing but QB but it just keeps continuing.  

Everything else is deck chairs on the titanic

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

If you watch Hurts and can't tell how ineffective he is as a passer, how could you possibly come to an accurate conclusion on any QB in the league? His passing ability is subpar. The difference in skill between the good passers and Hurts is huge. It blows my mind that some people who watch as much football as they do can't figure that out. This isn't anti-Hurts or anti-Howie. It's basic football knowledge.

A lot of people who get paid money to analyze qb play disagree with you. Whereas your opinion is popular on a message board.

Maybe chew on that for a while? 

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You'd think you people would get tired over talking about nothing but QB but it just keeps continuing.  

Well if we lose it‘s obviously all his fault. On the other hand he clearly doesn‘t contribute to winning. 

So why even talk about other parts of the team?

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A lot of people who get paid money to analyze qb play disagree with you. Whereas your opinion is popular on a message board.

Maybe chew on that for a while? 

Here is some stats for you.  The benchmark for NFL passing production in a game is 250+ yards.

Hurts played in 11 games after October 3, he only had 1 game of 300 yards of total offense.  That is sad.  Only 3 games of the 11 he was over 250 yards of total offense.  Once again, this is total offense, not even passing yards.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Depends on a lot of things.  Do the Eagles draft a QB this year?  Does Hurts improve to be a serviceable QB in 2022?  Do they sign or trade for a QB?  Winston as a FA, Wilson/Watson, for example.  When that occurs.  Only thing I would be on regarding personnel in the NFL is that it changes.

The Cardinals are a bad example. They had the option of Murray.  At this point, the Eagles don’t have that option.  In a poor QB draft and a very good defense draft, it would be an epic fail, even for Howie, the king of the epic fail, to trade away a much in draft capital for any of these QBs.  If one they like falls, that might be a different story.  

So looking at 2023 UFAs and potential draft candidates,  who do you see there replacing Hurts.  

Young and Stroud will lead the way but there will be alot of change between now and then.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

344 pass attempts  is 68% more than 233 rushing attempts.  Not sure how that translates to "run first".  He literally passed the ball 68% more times than he ran the ball.

 

Of the total plays run, 41% were running.

I think it’s clear Hurts currently isn’t good enough, and has too much ground to make up as a passer to ever be good enough. 

Unfortunately, I don’t think the Eagles will find a guy they love in the draft or find the right trade for a veteran who is the long term answer. An "upgrade” to a guy like Winston or Jimmy G isn’t worth the money and only puts us further into QB purgatory.

I fear all roads will lead to Hurts as the 2022 starter. 

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A lot of people who get paid money to analyze qb play disagree with you. Whereas your opinion is popular on a message board.

Maybe chew on that for a while? 

The analyst paid to generate content for people who dont really know the game? Thats your fake appeal to authority??

clown

12 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

If you watch Hurts and can't tell how ineffective he is as a passer, how could you possibly come to an accurate conclusion on any QB in the league? His passing ability is subpar. The difference in skill between the good passers and Hurts is huge. It blows my mind that some people who watch as much football as they do can't figure that out. This isn't anti-Hurts or anti-Howie. It's basic football knowledge.

ok and what in your back ground suggest your football knowledge is correct? besides sitting on the couch sundays or playing pop warner LOL. not hating just saying

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I think it’s clear Hurts currently isn’t good enough, and has too much ground to make up as a passer to ever be good enough. 

Unfortunately, I don’t think the Eagles will find a guy they love in the draft or find the right trade for a veteran who is the long term answer. An "upgrade” to a guy like Winston or Jimmy G isn’t worth the money and only puts us further into QB purgatory.

I fear all roads will lead to Hurts as the 2022 starter. 

Yup.  That's the fear.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I think it’s clear Hurts currently isn’t good enough, and has too much ground to make up as a passer to ever be good enough. 

Unfortunately, I don’t think the Eagles will find a guy they love in the draft or find the right trade for a veteran who is the long term answer. An "upgrade” to a guy like Winston or Jimmy G isn’t worth the money and only puts us further into QB purgatory.

I fear all roads will lead to Hurts as the 2022 starter. 

And i can live with that so long as there seems to be a long term strategy. Clear cap, acquire young talent. Then go get your guy.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Here is some stats for you.  The benchmark for NFL passing production in a game is 250+ yards.

Hurts played in 11 games after October 3, he only had 1 game of 300 yards of total offense.  That is sad.  Only 3 games of the 11 he was over 250 yards of total offense.  Once again, this is total offense, not even passing yards.

Again, you are a guy on a message board. There are actual people in real life who get paid to analyze football who feel differently than you do about Hurts. Do you think doing more analysis is going to make me think you know more than experts about qb play?

More importantly, do you really think you know more than they do?  

8 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

ok and what in your back ground suggest your football knowledge is correct? besides sitting on the couch sundays or playing pop warner LOL. not hating just saying

I'd like to think after watching football for 20 years that I've learning something. It doesn't take an expert to see the difference in very good passers and someone who is not good. 

The media who back Hurts probably haven't seen more than a few of his games this year. They like to read a couple stats and assume they know what they're talking about from a few highlights. Having a take is way more fun than not knowing or watching all the games.

Hurts was put in a great position to succeed this year. Dominant running game, great OL, wide open WRs on play action. That's a QB's dream. The success he did have came from that. Any time he had to manufacture his own success, the offense was a nightmare. Nevermind missing reads, bad pocket presence, inaccurate throws, long wind-up, etc.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Of the total plays run, 41% were running.

 

Like I said earlier, the term is ambiguous and opinion based.  Using that metric, the same could be said for just about any "mobile" QB coming out of college.  College offenses with mobile QB's will usually feature a higher run to pass ratio (for the QB) than colleges without mobile QB's. 

But calling a guy that passed for almost 4000 yards in 14 games a "run first/running only" type of QB is somewhat comical to me.  

 

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Another thing not brought up nearly enough. This time last year it was "this is his year to prove himself”. Now it’s "he needs another year”. 

There is a third option that many are talking about.  Don’t reach for a flawed QB or overpay for an older QB wasting draft capital that needs to be used in a lot of areas on this team.  The Eagles are nowhere near competing seriously and long term for the championships (conference or NFL).  So is Hurts serviceable until the rest of the team can be fixed and until a good opportunity to improve at QB enough to compete happens.  Yes, they have the capital to trade up this year, but is this year really a "good opportunity”.  Plus consider, if next year there is a good opportunity to land a prospect that may well fit the bill but needs to sit a year or part of a year, well we do have Hurts under contract in 2023 too.  That said, I fully expect the Eagles to be thinking of multiple options and analyzing expected cost and benefit.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Again, you are a guy on a message board. There are actual people in real life who get paid to analyze football who feel differently than you do about Hurts. Do you think doing more analysis is going to make me think you know more than experts about qb play?

More importantly, do you really think you know more than they do?  

Again they are looking for clicks from idiots such as yourself seeking confirmation. Its not real analysis. Its a lazy convenient narrative. They dont bash any qbs really