23 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Everything else is deck chairs on the titanic

 

So far from true, but people having that incorrect mentality does explain the tunnel vision that only allows people here to discuss the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.  

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Again, you are a guy on a message board. There are actual people in real life who get paid to analyze football who feel differently than you do about Hurts. Do you think doing more analysis is going to make me think you know more than experts about qb play?

More importantly, do you really think you know more than they do?  

You realize that there are people more qualified on both ends of the Hurts debate, yes? You're aware that these 'more qualified' individuals get things wrong just as frequently if not more than individuals not in that field, right?

Remember, Danny Watkins and Marcus Smith were first round picks. Not a single fan among us would have taken either. 

Some of us argued for Justin Jefferson over Jalen Reagor in the draft. We saw what our own GM and from office could not. We saw how that played out. 

29 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You'd think you people would get tired over talking about nothing but QB but it just keeps continuing.  

QB is the most important position in all of sports and the Eagles don’t have one. Therefore, people are talking about possibilities.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Again they are looking for clicks from idiots such as yourself seeking confirmation. Its not real analysis. Its a lazy convenient narrative. They dont bash any qbs really

Chris Simms wasn't afraid to bash Hurts and ended up calling it his worst take of the year. Also, there are actual lists of qbs put together by people who get paid to do it, and Hurts is always in the 20. So why are they doing that?

Just now, SB52 said:

QB is the most important position in all of sports and the Eagles don’t him one. Therefore, people are talking about possibilities.

 

They do have one.  Whether he turns out to be the guy long term that they commit to with a new contract remains to be seen.  But there are a lot of areas on this team that they need to try to improve and and build yet people here are unable to stop going in the same circles about only QB.  

54 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Year to prove himself? It was his first year as a starter. We're not talking Darnold here. Or Trubisky.

You’re either ignoring or discounting the fact that Hurts was not a 1st round pick.  Like it or not, history shows that QBs drafted in the first round get most or all of their rookie contract to show they’re not the guy.  QBs drafted outside the first round have to work their entire rookie contract to prove they are the guy.

It’s another discussion entirely to get into about Hurts not even being drafted with the intent of being their franchise QB — and not being the incumbent starting QB when the head coach was hired, Sirianni not being involved with drafting Hurts, etc., etc., etc.

14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Young and Stroud will lead the way but there will be alot of change between now and then.

 

 

 Jurkovec, McKee, and McCall as well. Those guys all have NFL size. It’s gonna be a large class.   Plus Rattler and Haener. 
I can’t forget Bo Nix, lol, ugh.  Duck fans aren’t happy about that one.  

19 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Again, you are a guy on a message board. There are actual people in real life who get paid to analyze football who feel differently than you do about Hurts. Do you think doing more analysis is going to make me think you know more than experts about qb play?

More importantly, do you really think you know more than they do?  

You know some of those same guys thought Reagor was the right pick and a cant miss prospect.  They thought Kevin Kolb would be a franchise QB.  They are not always right.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

If they draft a qb, it is going to be Willis. And he's going top 6, so they aren't drafting a qb.

Willis is ridiculously overrated. That game yesterday showed a ton. He’s not as fast as advertised, nor is his arm as big as advertised. He’s also barely 6’ tall. Do you trust him to have the type of vision and ability to see throwing lanes as other highly successful "short” QBs like Brees, Wilson, Murray?

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Chris Simms wasn't afraid to bash Hurts and ended up calling it his worst take of the year. Also, there are actual lists of qbs put together by people who get paid to do it, and Hurts is always in the 20. So why are they doing that?

20th out of 32 is good enough in your eyes?

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Jurkovec, McKee, and McCall as well. Those guys all have NFL size. It’s gonna be a large class.   Plus Rattler and Haener. 
I can’t forget Bo Nix, lol, ugh.  Duck fans aren’t happy about that one.  

I love Grayson McCall. You also forgot Slovis though I’m not a huge fan. 

6 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

There is a third option that many are talking about.  Don’t reach for a flawed QB or overpay for an older QB wasting draft capital that needs to be used in a lot of areas on this team.  The Eagles are nowhere near competing seriously and long term for the championships (conference or NFL).  So is Hurts serviceable until the rest of the team can be fixed and until a good opportunity to improve at QB enough to compete happens.  Yes, they have the capital to trade up this year, but is this year really a "good opportunity”.  Plus consider, if next year there is a good opportunity to land a prospect that may well fit the bill but needs to sit a year or part of a year, well we do have Hurts under contract in 2023 too.  That said, I fully expect the Eagles to be thinking of multiple options and analyzing expected cost and benefit.

I disagree with nowhere near competing for conference championships. 
 

If they have to stick with Hurts because there isn’t a better option available, then it is what it is. But then you are in purgatory and wrestling the decision of do you want to run your offense and develop the team as you envision it or maximize wins while knowing you are more than likely not going to be seriously competing for anything at the end of the day.

14 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Some of us argued for Justin Jefferson over Jalen Reagor in the draft. We saw what our own GM and from office could not. We saw how that played out. 

The irony is that the team went against the consensus to draft Reagor. Most experts had Jefferson rated better.

So you want the team to go against expert consensus to replace Hurts.

Odd position to take.

17 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

So far from true, but people having that incorrect mentality does explain the tunnel vision that only allows people here to discuss the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.  

It‘s a sign of insecurity.

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

20th out of 32 is good enough in your eyes?

Nope, but I don't see much difference in the guys 11th through 20th, so if they aren't replacing him with a top 10 player, I don't see the point in changing. And the reports on the draft class is that only one guy has the ability to be a top 10 qb, and he is a raw prospect (Willis), and the existing top 10 guys (Watson, Rodgers, Wilson) will be too pricey.

So I am happy to give him another year to see if he can get better. Also, this seems to be the only rational approach. But others seem to have a different plan, which is fine. But they are delusional in my eyes. 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The irony is that the team went against the consensus to draft Reagor. Most experts had Jefferson rated better.

So you want the team to go against expert consensus to replace Hurts.

Odd position to take.

There is no consensus on Hurts.

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Jurkovec, McKee, and McCall as well. Those guys all have NFL size. It’s gonna be a large class.   Plus Rattler and Haener. 
I can’t forget Bo Nix, lol, ugh.  Duck fans aren’t happy about that one.  

Agree that 2023 is shaping up to be a better QB draft class than 2022.  I am willing to wait.  That is why, if the right trade downs are available, I would hope the Eagles build up some 2023 draft capital but I worry Howie will get too deal crazy again misreading depth for value.  No more Pumphreys or Shareef Miller drafts.  Yes, both were at positions deemed deep in those drafts but both were bad picks and too late in a deep draft.  He passed on some mighty good players, took mediocre players instead and then, when he finally went for the strength of the draft, he failed miserably. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

Agree that 2023 is shaping up to be a better QB draft class than 2022.  I am willing to wait.  That is why, if the right trade downs are available, I would hope the Eagles build up some 2023 draft capital but I worry Howie will get too deal crazy again misreading depth for value.  No more Pumphreys or Shareef Miller drafts.  Yes, both were at positions deemed deep in those drafts but both were bad picks and too late in a deep draft.  He passed on some mighty good players, took mediocre players instead and then, when he finally went for the strength of the draft, he failed miserably. 

Hard to wait... can't know that you'll have the ammunition next year that's required.

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The irony is that the team went against the consensus to draft Reagor. Most experts had Jefferson rated better.

So you want the team to go against expert consensus to replace Hurts.

Odd position to take.

And yet those "more qualified" people made a decision many of us wouldn't.

Thanks for intentionally missing the point.

 

Gardner Minshew isn't the answer at QB but if 2022 is going to be a year with a bridge QB then why can't the Eagles at the very least have an open competition? 

Hurts has only started 3 less games than Minshew yet no one is afraid to say that Minshew has proven he's just a backup but Hurts needs more time to develop.  How does that argument make any sense?  Why not let Minshew develop?  Why are people so damn confident that Minshew is what he is but Hurts can still improve?  Does that 3 game advantage show that much?

Even with Hurts rushing ability, Minshew still gives you a 1/2 TD more production per game on top of getting other young players involved. 

Minshew has a better completion percentage, QB rating, less interceptions, twice as many TDs and still averages 5 ypc when he tucks the ball. 
 

 

		Passing															Rushing					Receiving
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng	Rec	Yds	TD	Y/R	Lng
1	Jalen Hurts	2020	2021	21	30	9-10-0	342	580	59.0	4205	22	84.7	91	13	39	209	7.3	7.00	6.46	6.22	202	1138	13	5.6	31	1	3	0	3.0	3
2	Gardner Minshew II	2019	2021	19	27	8-14-0	542	857	63.2	5969	41	93.9	70	12	65	362	7.0	7.29	6.08	6.39	105	518	1	4.9	21	1	0	0	.0	0

 

Passing							Rushing
Rk	Player	From	To	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Att	Yds	TD
1	Jalen Hurts	2020	2021	11.4	19.3	140.2	0.7	0.4	1.3	7.0	6.7	37.9	0.4
2	Gardner Minshew II	2019	2021	20.1	31.7	221.1	1.5	0.4	2.4	13.4	3.9	19.2	0.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Gardner Minshew isn't the answer at QB but if 2022 is going to be a year with a bridge QB then why can't the Eagles at the very least have an open competition? 

Hurts has only started 3 less games than Minshew yet no one is afraid to say that Minshew has proven he's just a backup but Hurts needs more time to develop.  How does that argument make any sense?  Why not let Minshew develop?  Why are people so damn confident that Minshew is what he is but Hurts can still improve?  Does that 3 game advantage show that much?

Even with Hurts rushing ability, Minshew still gives you a 1/2 TD more production per game on top of getting other young players involved. 

Minshew has a better completion percentage, QB rating, less interceptions, twice as many TDs and still averages 5 ypc when he tucks the ball. 
 

 

		Passing															Rushing					Receiving
Rk	Player	From	To	AV	G	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Rate	Lng	Int	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	NY/A	ANY/A	Att	Yds	TD	Y/A	Lng	Rec	Yds	TD	Y/R	Lng
1	Jalen Hurts	2020	2021	21	30	9-10-0	342	580	59.0	4205	22	84.7	91	13	39	209	7.3	7.00	6.46	6.22	202	1138	13	5.6	31	1	3	0	3.0	3
2	Gardner Minshew II	2019	2021	19	27	8-14-0	542	857	63.2	5969	41	93.9	70	12	65	362	7.0	7.29	6.08	6.39	105	518	1	4.9	21	1	0	0	.0	0

 

Passing							Rushing
Rk	Player	From	To	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	Yds	Att	Yds	TD
1	Jalen Hurts	2020	2021	11.4	19.3	140.2	0.7	0.4	1.3	7.0	6.7	37.9	0.4
2	Gardner Minshew II	2019	2021	20.1	31.7	221.1	1.5	0.4	2.4	13.4	3.9	19.2	0.

Shhh, it doesn't fit their narrative.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

So who else in this draft can be a top 5 qb?

Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen. Who has the talent to be fifth on that list?

If you pay any attention to the scheme the Eagles want to run AND what Howie has done in the past 3 months you would know he favors Pickett. They are looking for a read progression QB who can throw an accurate pass to all routes and has the NFL brain to know where to go Willis is no where even close. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Another thing not brought up nearly enough. This time last year it was "this is his year to prove himself”. Now it’s "he needs another year”. 

And next year it'll be the same "He got (a tiny bit) better, he needs another year" rinse and repeat.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

A lot of people who get paid money to analyze qb play disagree with you. Whereas your opinion is popular on a message board.

Maybe chew on that for a while? 

Annalists are paid for an entertainment factor. They will not go with the condenses cause no one would listen or read i f everyone wrote the same thing.

The Bucs coaching staff on the other hand dont care about what people think and flat out said Hurts cant read a defense, cant read progressions and they knew he was not accurate. 

Chew on that for a while.

 

43 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The irony is that the team went against the consensus to draft Reagor. Most experts had Jefferson rated better.

So you want the team to go against expert consensus to replace Hurts.

Odd position to take.

That was dougs pick

Will Levis , Sam Hartman , Brennan Armstrong , Phil Jurkovec , Spencer Rattler 

A few of my favorite 2023 QBs