Keyshawn Johnson is not very bright.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That Cox was doubled a lot this year is a myth 

Against KC to that point he had a season high single block opportunities and saw more single blocks than doubles, in that game he out up a doughnut on the stat, no tackles, bi pressures, hits sacks, nothing.

Not sure what his season king double team to single block ratio was but I'm going to guess it was way down from previous years and statistically Cox responded by having one of his worst years.

He's cooked, that team officials keep saying he does so much more that doesn't show up on the stat sheet is an over blown statement attempting to justify his ludicrous contract where he's the highest paid player on the team.

I'll always be grateful for fletch he was key to the eagles super bowl run and has been real good for years but Howie held onto him to long and the constant pushing money back of his contract makes it harder to get anything for him in a trade.

I don't know that he's cooked.  The scheme changed and he was asked to play a different role.  He had a decent season just not a pro-bowl one.  He had 8 TFL which was tied with Chris Jones.  He had a similar amount of QB pressures as last year.  His tackles were down but not out of line with past performance.  I think he gave the effort he normally gives.  He's not the same player he was in his prime but he's not "cooked."  He had a good season as a DT.  

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I get the feeling Flores is going to land another HC gig. Fangio, maybe he goes back to being a DC, which I would absolutely welcome to replace Gannon if he goes. If Gannon returns, I'm good with giving him another year with some improved players to see what he can do. 

I've got no issue with Gannon returning.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was disappointed in him this year. But I do think he was at a bigger disadvantage than the offense because I don’t think they have remotely good enough talent. I was fine bringing them back for a second year and giving him more talent to see if he’s just an eh defensive coordinator or if it was more just a talent issue

I think there was a talent issue but there were also scheme issues and really an inability to change coverages during games. I don't think he came in and made the most of the talent.  I do think he helped the CB play but I wasn't impressed.  

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

to me the hurts contingent really goes back to they want a franchise quarterback so bad and him to succeed so bad knowing we need that franchise QB to really achieve consistent success that they’re willing to make excuses and shift blame off him. I think that’s what we are seeing. I also think there’s just some fans who are blind with loyalty to the Eagles and won’t see what’s in front of them. 

That's it for me. It's why I'm not pounding the table clamoring for Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, etc. I want to draft and develop our own face of the franchise ala Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, etc.  Right now, all the young stud QB's are in the AFC. We need one. That is the ONLY reason I'd consider Watson for the right price. But mainly, I want them to get a young gun and watch him grow.

Just now, NCiggles said:

I think there was a talent issue but there were also scheme issues and really an inability to change coverages during games. I don't think he came in and made the most of the talent.  I do think he helped the CB play but I wasn't impressed.  

I wasn’t impressed either. But I have a feeling some of these adjustments to scheme might be because he didn’t trust some of the talent he had out there. And they might sound like an excuse but that’s the reason why I would like to see him in a second year was with better talent than what we had out there. Because if it’s the same thing and then we know exactly who to blame

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

None of that excuses his lack of ability to adjust or instill just an ounce of aggressiveness in the game plan.  Regardless of who we were playing.  There is no defending Gannon and his scheme this year.  

I never said he didn’t have his flaws or his problems. However I also would argue I think some of the reason why he didn’t want to change and make things more complicated is because he didn’t trust his talent that he had out there. I wouldn’t trust it either if I have out there zero linebackers.   No offense TJ Edwards was our best linebacker this year is laughable because I don’t even think he’s a starter. I think he’s a back up

13 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Again, he called screens because it requires Hurts to not have to think. Anytime he asked Hurts to read the defense and throw to an open guy, he couldn't do it. His hands were completely tied. Hurts is 95% responsible for why we lost that game. 

You know what else doesn't require thinking? Handing the ball off to Sanders while in a jumbo package.  Did he do that? He didn't need to call a Fing dope screen to Reagor that always goes for negative yards.  I mean for Fs sake the team would have had better luck taking deep shots with the hope they get a DPI call.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

None of that excuses his lack of ability to adjust or instill just an ounce of aggressiveness in the game plan.  Regardless of who we were playing.  There is no defending Gannon and his scheme this year.  

Would you trust Alex Singleton on a blitz? I'll wait and see what happens if we can infuse some talent on D; if it's more of the same scheme next year, then yeah, he can pound sand. But I think it's fair to give Gannon an incomplete for this season. Much like Sirianni being handicapped by Hurts, Gannon was crippled by the lack of talent on D. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

You know what else doesn't require thinking? Handing the ball off to Sanders while in a jumbo package.  Did he do that? He didn't need to call a Fing dope screen to Reagor that always goes for negative yards.  I mean for Fs sake the team would have had better luck taking deep shots with the hope they get a DPI call.  

No love for Reagor, I said they shouldn't even have him running comeback routes (like on the 4th down they tried to him). But that's also because Hurts can't make that throw either.

And they tried to run Sanders, but he couldn't spot a cutback lane to save his life on Sunday. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think it has more to do with the contingent that hated Wentz and anything that wasn't Wentz was automatically better.   But, there are always the stepford types out there.

Oh I think that also factors into it. 

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know that he's cooked.  The scheme changed and he was asked to play a different role.  He had a decent season just not a pro-bowl one.  He had 8 TFL which was tied with Chris Jones.  He had a similar amount of QB pressures as last year.  His tackles were down but not out of line with past performance.  I think he gave the effort he normally gives.  He's not the same player he was in his prime but he's not "cooked."  He had a good season as a DT.  

He played ok, hes not paid to be ok, one would hope to get more out of ones highest paid player than just ok.

10 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I think Gannon is likely better than what many on here think. What does he have to work with?

It’s an interesting philosophy: Do you implement what you want to run and stick with it year 1 for players to get experience in the real scheme, or do you try to make it work with what you got and hold off until year 2?

We tried to make it functional with a couple of FA additions, but Harris and Wilson were flops. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

It’s an interesting philosophy: Do you implement what you want to run and stick with it year 1 for players to get experience in the real scheme, or do you try to make it work with what you got and hold off until year 2?

We tried to make it functional with a couple of FA additions, but Harris and Wilson were flops. 

I think Sirianni is facing the same question.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Would you trust Alex Singleton on a blitz? I'll wait and see what happens if we can infuse some talent on D; if it's more of the same scheme next year, then yeah, he can pound sand. But I think it's fair to give Gannon an incomplete for this season. Much like Sirianni being handicapped by Hurts, Gannon was crippled by the lack of talent on D. 

Don’t get me wrong I think Gannon has his own set of issues. But there is definitely a huge lack of talent that makes me believe he probably didn’t trust his defense to do something exotic. They lost their best defensive and who they shouldn’t even be relying on anymore at 33 years old. Fletcher Cox is nowhere close to what he was. Hargrave was basically taken away after a great start. They have no linebackers that are worth anything more than back ups. I would argue they might have the worst linebackers in the entire league. and the safetys are not that good. The one position I can safely say the Eagles were good this year was cornerback. That’s where you could say really he could’ve made adjustments with them to utilize that strength

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there was a talent issue but there were also scheme issues and really an inability to change coverages during games. I don't think he came in and made the most of the talent.  I do think he helped the CB play but I wasn't impressed.  

He was far from perfect.  But, I'm willing to let him grow a little bit.   He is a first time DC, so he's not a finished product yet.  Same for Sirianni, and Steichen.  These guys are all first timers in their current roles, so some growing pains were to be expected.   For me, the issue will be if I don't see growth in this for next season.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And just by ESP saying Gannon would be a "big loss" is all you should need to know.  

.  I'm not one for the ad hominem on that... even a broken clock is right twice a day.  I'd be ok with a different DC if Gannon leaves, but I'm not going to campaign for it either.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Another moronic mistake by Lowie.  

It is what it is.   You know how I feel about Howie.

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I think Sirianni is facing the same question.

Indeed.   He clearly had one plan early in the year, and then completely scrapped it by mid-season.

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We all know the cupboard was bare because of Lowie and their crap drafting.  But Gannon and his staff certainly didn't coach them up, that's for sure.  

That’s kind of why I wanted to see him in a second here giving him better talent. That’s the only way to know if he makes a jump in a second year and more adjustments with improved talent. If he’s the same as this year with better talent then we know he’s just not that good. 

I know people want Fangio but realistically why would he wanna come to the Eagles seeing the talent he has on that side of the field at this particular point in time?  I hate myself for saying this but if I was Fangio and you gave me the option that I can work with the defensive talent that Dallas (assuming Dan Quinn gets the broncos job) has or the Eagles I would take Dallas. And that is so painful for me to say because I Fing hate that Team

Gannon is employing the same defensive scheme a few other DCs are employing right now.  Keep everything in front of you, do not get beat deep to allow the big chunk play or long DPI penalty, and the idea is to tighten up in the red zone and allow FGs instead of TDs.  The problem is when you can't apply consistent pressure on the QB you're not going to force mistakes, and Slay is pretty much the only player on defense capable of getting turnovers.  

The overall scheme is frustrating at times, but it beats the bad and middling teams.  It gets roasted by the good teams.  Need players who can make big plays in big moments, and the Eagles don't have the personnel to make it work against the good offenses.  Draft an edge rusher, fast playmaking LB, and a ball hawk safety and the defense competes much better. 

Who are the best candidates to replace Gannon?

16 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

That's it for me. It's why I'm not pounding the table clamoring for Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, etc. I want to draft and develop our own face of the franchise ala Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, etc.  Right now, all the young stud QB's are in the AFC. We need one. That is the ONLY reason I'd consider Watson for the right price. But mainly, I want them to get a young gun and watch him grow.

I understand how and why people feel like this. I also would like that to happen. 

However, in reality- we are rarely in position to draft a blue chip prospect, like Burrow,Allen, or Herbert. And are not good at drafting in the high rounds to begin with.  SO the likelihood that we are able to do so in the next year or two? Really would depend if there was a low risk blue chip QB propect in the draft, this year there really isn't one. Next year remains an unknown until next year. 

So how many years do you wait for the planets to be in alignment, where you have a blue chip prospect to draft and are in position to do so? And more importantly, what do you do in the meantime while you are waiting for that to happen? Do you risk drafting a NON blue chip QB prospect and give him 2-3 years to see if he can develop? And if you do that, do you then pass on a blue chip prospect in say 2023 because you drafted a guy who you are going to give 3 years to see if he can develop? 

Too much time being wasted, years of players careers being thrown away (other investments made that are being wasted)  - If you have a chance at a Rodgers, Wilson, Watson or even a Carr- you do it. And then you can draft your prospect to develop under them. 

24 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You know what else doesn't require thinking? Handing the ball off to Sanders while in a jumbo package.  Did he do that? He didn't need to call a Fing dope screen to Reagor that always goes for negative yards.  I mean for Fs sake the team would have had better luck taking deep shots with the hope they get a DPI call.  

Tampa was playing 8-9 in the box because they had no fear of Hurts arm.  Hurts needed to beat them down the field with his arm, and Tampa Bay knew he could not.

35 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Broncos, Redskins, Texans, Vikings, Panthers, Steelers pop off the top of my head.

 

I think the Texans would actually rather roll with Davis Mills at this point if they don't draft a QB.  Wentz would be a downgrade from Cousins for the Vikings. Maybe the Redskins? Broncos I think will have their eyes on some better QBs and would be one of the preferred landing spots for Rodgers. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Who are the best candidates to replace Gannon?

 

He won't be going anywhere unless a team hires him as HC.  The only coach we have that I think has a chance to be let go and replaces is our Special Teams coordinator. 

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Tampa was playing 8-9 in the box because they had no fear of Hurts arm.  Hurts needed to beat them down the field with his arm, and Tampa Bay knew he could not.

at times they were 10 players all within 5-10 yards from the LOS.