This is nothing short of pathetic. I can't imagine that Jeff Lurie is an idiot, he HAS to see that Roseman is not a good GM. From bad draft picks to bad contracts to old and often injured players, come on man something has to give.

 

If we promote internally, I guess Dennard Wilson (our DBs coach) would get the DC nod. He was the defensive passing game coordinator in NY.

1 minute ago, ShutDownDB said:

This is nothing short of pathetic. I can't imagine that Jeff Lurie is an idiot, he HAS to see that Roseman is not a good GM. From bad draft picks to bad contracts to old and often injured players, come on man something has to give.

 

I mean, this franchise has a long standing history of being unable to draft WR talent. Aside from D-Jax/Maclin, and what Smith appears to be....what other WR have we drafted in the last....30 years that has talent? 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I understand how and why people feel like this. I also would like that to happen. 

However, in reality- we are rarely in position to draft a blue chip prospect, like Burrow,Allen, or Herbert. And are not good at drafting in the high rounds to begin with.  SO the likelihood that we are able to do so in the next year or two? Really would depend if there was a low risk blue chip QB propect in the draft, this year there really isn't one. Next year remains an unknown until next year. 

So how many years do you wait for the planets to be in alignment, where you have a blue chip prospect to draft and are in position to do so? And more importantly, what do you do in the meantime while you are waiting for that to happen? Do you risk drafting a NON blue chip QB prospect and give him 2-3 years to see if he can develop? And if you do that, do you then pass on a blue chip prospect in say 2023 because you drafted a guy who you are going to give 3 years to see if he can develop? 

Too much time being wasted, years of players careers being thrown away (other investments made that are being wasted)  - If you have a chance at a Rodgers, Wilson, Watson or even a Carr- you do it. And then you can draft your prospect to develop under them. 

I've said I'm good with a Carr provided the price is right with a Ridder/Strong under him developing. But is Carr really needed in that scenario? Might as well just roll with Minshew and get higher picks in 2023 to continue growing. Honestly if they're going to trade for someone, it should be someone who's the unquestioned starter moving forward...and in my opinion the only one that fits that bill is <shudder> Watson.

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wasn’t impressed either. But I have a feeling some of these adjustments to scheme might be because he didn’t trust some of the talent he had out there. And they might sound like an excuse but that’s the reason why I would like to see him in a second year was with better talent than what we had out there. Because if it’s the same thing and then we know exactly who to blame

I don't know. Gannon didn't lack talent or experience in the secondary.  He had some very veteran defenders in the secondary in McLeod, Slay, Harris and Nelson.  Maddox is also a vet.  One of the criticisms of his play calling through the first part of the season was that he didn't do much to disguise coverages.  He ran a disproportionate amount of zone coverage which led to easy completions.  I get not trusting the LB play but I think he didn't trust anyone or was still learning how to scheme.   There's no question that the defense needs to add talent.  The LBs are not even average NFL starters.  Maybe Davion Taylor comes back and continues to improve.  He did flash in games.  Epps flashed but he's not a great coverage safety.  Nelson is likely gone as is McLeod and Harris.  Even if we do get an influx of talent what makes you think Gannon will trust rookies to execute more than the vets? Gannon coached the defense like he was scared to lose rather than trying to do things to win games.  Maybe that's just the way of the NFL now.  Certainly Schwartz was frustrating at times because he played for stops much more often than he played to force a turnover.  Schwartz did use blitzes effectively and he got more out of the d-line.  A veteran coordinator like Fangio would make a big difference. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Draft an edge rusher, fast playmaking LB, and a ball hawk safety and the defense competes much better. 

Trayvon Walker/David Ojabo, Brandon Smith/Christian Harris, Jaquan Brisker.

 

 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Who are the best candidates to replace Gannon?

Bud Carson or Buddy Ryan

The only reason this guy started instead of Watkins, is this guy was drafted higher.  Evidence that either Howie is insisting his high draft picks play, or Nick is clueless. 

Which is more plausible? 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean, this franchise has a long standing history of being unable to draft WR talent. Aside from D-Jax/Maclin, and what Smith appears to be....what other WR have we drafted in the last....30 years that has talent? 

It's a lot more than WRs. You can't even give Howie credit for gems in later rounds because that's all scouts as I doubt he goes very deep in to 5th, 6th and 7th round guys. I mean we haven't drafted a starting CB since Lito and Sheldon and that wasn't even Howie. He is absolutely putrid and any other team in the league he'd be gone but of course Lurie has to have "his guy."

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean, this franchise has a long standing history of being unable to draft WR talent. Aside from D-Jax/Maclin, and what Smith appears to be....what other WR have we drafted in the last....30 years that has talent? 

Chris T. Jones.  

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

The only reason this guy started instead of Watkins, is this guy was drafted higher.  Evidence that either Howie is insisting his high draft picks play, or Nick is clueless. 

Which is more plausible? 

 

Lowie forcing their guys into the lineup.  On that note............

 

 

1 minute ago, ShutDownDB said:

It's a lot more than WRs. You can't even give Howie credit for gems in later rounds because that's all scouts as I doubt he goes very deep in to 5th, 6th and 7th round guys. I mean we haven't drafted a starting CB since Lito and Sheldon and that wasn't even Howie. He is absolutely putrid and any other team in the league he'd be gone but of course Lurie has to have "his guy."

If you're going to criticize him for his misses, then you have to give him credit for his hits, as few as they may be. 

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I've said I'm good with a Carr provided the price is right with a Ridder/Strong under him developing. But is Carr really needed in that scenario? Might as well just roll with Minshew and get higher picks in 2023 to continue growing. Honestly if they're going to trade for someone, it should be someone who's the unquestioned starter moving forward...and in my opinion the only one that fits that bill is <shudder> Watson.

 

Problem is- with Howie, Minshew wont start over Hurts. Howie has shown us, he insists players like Jjaw, Reagor and Hurts play because of his investing high draft capital in them, over more productive players such as Watkins, Ward and Minshew. 

Only way Mailata saw the feild was when Dillard got hurt. OR Mailata would never be playing. 

 

That means rolling with Hurts, if Howie doesn't make another investment.  And thats bad for the mental health of lockeroom and fanbase, and WR development

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Chris T. Jones.  

Here is how bad Reagor and JJAWful are.

Chris T. Jones second season, 70 catches for 859 yards and 5 TD's.

Reagor and JJAWful combined 5 seasons, 80 catches for 985 yards and 4 TD's.

This is fun, give me another crappy WR the Eagles have drafted and we will make a comparison.

 

4 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

It's a lot more than WRs. You can't even give Howie credit for gems in later rounds because that's all scouts as I doubt he goes very deep in to 5th, 6th and 7th round guys. I mean we haven't drafted a starting CB since Lito and Sheldon and that wasn't even Howie. He is absolutely putrid and any other team in the league he'd be gone but of course Lurie has to have "his guy."

Jalen Mills was a starting CB here.

2 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

It's a lot more than WRs. You can't even give Howie credit for gems in later rounds because that's all scouts as I doubt he goes very deep in to 5th, 6th and 7th round guys. I mean we haven't drafted a starting CB since Lito and Sheldon and that wasn't even Howie. He is absolutely putrid and any other team in the league he'd be gone but of course Lurie has to have "his guy."

I suppose you didn't even like the Nnamdi signing which was a coup for Howie and led directly to the Dream Team.  

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Please have Harbaugh go to the Giants. Would immediately raise their floor, but lower their ceiling.

Don’t want him w/Giants. He’ll make them a tougher team. They’re soft as s___ now, let’s keep it that way. 

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

The only reason this guy started instead of Watkins, is this guy was drafted higher.  Evidence that either Howie is insisting his high draft picks play, or Nick is clueless. 

Which is more plausible? 

 

I just don't see the upside in continuing to try with Reagor. He doesn't really flash and he's a net negative on the field. I guess the combo of bad PR plus the cap hit is enough to keep him, but he should be in weekly inactive territory.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jalen Mills was a starting CB here.

Completely forgot about Mr finger wag even when he didn't do anything.

1 minute ago, ShutDownDB said:

Completely forgot about Mr finger wag even when he didn't do anything.

You are correct to an extent though... he wasn't good enough to get a second contract here, and that's really the true measure for me for the success of a draft pick.  (He did get a 1 year prove-it, but that's doesn't count for me.) 

17 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean, this franchise has a long standing history of being unable to draft WR talent. Aside from D-Jax/Maclin, and what Smith appears to be....what other WR have we drafted in the last....30 years that has talent? 

The legend.....Paul Turner

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jalen Mills was a starting CB here.

Also Avonte Maddox.  

10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If you're going to criticize him for his misses, then you have to give him credit for his hits, as few as they may be. 

He gets credit for the moves he made before and during the SB run. That's where it ends for me simply because is cannot stand that little weasel.

Call me crazy but I'd have more faith in some of the blog regulars making draft picks over him.

20 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know. Gannon didn't lack talent or experience in the secondary.  He had some very veteran defenders in the secondary in McLeod, Slay, Harris and Nelson.  Maddox is also a vet.  One of the criticisms of his play calling through the first part of the season was that he didn't do much to disguise coverages.  He ran a disproportionate amount of zone coverage which led to easy completions.  I get not trusting the LB play but I think he didn't trust anyone or was still learning how to scheme.   There's no question that the defense needs to add talent.  The LBs are not even average NFL starters.  Maybe Davion Taylor comes back and continues to improve.  He did flash in games.  Epps flashed but he's not a great coverage safety.  Nelson is likely gone as is McLeod and Harris.  Even if we do get an influx of talent what makes you think Gannon will trust rookies to execute more than the vets? Gannon coached the defense like he was scared to lose rather than trying to do things to win games.  Maybe that's just the way of the NFL now.  Certainly Schwartz was frustrating at times because he played for stops much more often than he played to force a turnover.  Schwartz did use blitzes effectively and he got more out of the d-line.  A veteran coordinator like Fangio would make a big difference. 

 Rodney McLeod and Harris are not that good. Watch the safety play for the Packers this weekend and tell me the Eagles have anything remotely close to what Amos and savage at the position and can do what those guys do. As much experience those guys have they are on the decline and not what they once were. You can only do so much with the players you have. If this was Rodney McLeod 3 to 4 years ago before his first ACL you would be right. But he’s not  he’s two acls removed and not the player he once was.

also if you go out and sign a guy like Bates or sign a guy like Marcus Williams I will guarantee you he trust them more the  the two safeties they had out there this year. you wanna know why? better players at this stage of their career. They can do more things at this stage of their career at a higher level than Rodney McLeod and Harris. 

and if we are gonna talk about rookies well it depends on if howie and the Eagles go to him and understand what guys he likes that he believes fits his system then I would bet you we trust him a lot more then the guys he inherited that he probably doesn’t like but was forced to use. 

I have no disagreement with you on Schwartz  and Fangio would be better. However they’ve also been in the league for about 30-40 years so they have way more experience. And they didn’t just magically overnight in one season as a defensive coordinator become great. Additionally you assume that Fangio is only gonna go to the Eagles. There are teams out there with much better defensive personnel that i would bet he would choose to go to over the Philadelphia eagles. Because the Eagles we’ve been talking about this since the end of 2018 needing to rebuild his defense and they kept refusing to do it.  Theres this assumption that fangio is just automatically going to be a Philadelphia eagles defensive coordinator if Gannon leaves. He’s going to have a whole bunch of options.  other teams that are going to have their openings and there’s a highly likely chance 2-3 of those teams have better personnel that he’d rather coach. 

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s an interesting philosophy: Do you implement what you want to run and stick with it year 1 for players to get experience in the real scheme, or do you try to make it work with what you got and hold off until year 2?

We tried to make it functional with a couple of FA additions, but Harris and Wilson were flops. 

They both changed their approaches a lot. The offense more so, but it had more to work with. When you have slow LBs, slow safeties, and only one good corner, your back seven can't do a whole lot. Our best LB was an undrafted free agent, not Ray Lewis.

So watched some Carson Strong stuff, gotta say it's pretty impressive. Not sure why he's not getting more hype??? Maybe some posters more familiar with him know???

He's got a lot of impressive throws though.

The first throw on one of his highlights was against cal on about a 50 yards post to the end zone, the ball just explodes out of his hand and gets there accurately really quick 

He makes more than a fair amount of throws standing tall in the pocket staring down the rush and delivering accurate throws with dudes in his face and hitting him, reminded me of Kurt Warner who was really good at throwing accurately with guys in his face 

Howie used to talk about functioning in a chaotic pocket as one of the reasons they liked foles and I could see that same quality with strong, his accuracy doesn't seem to be negatively affected by pressure.

There were a few throws that he fit in against really tight windows, against K St. He fires a ball over the middle and threads it on point between 3 defenders, another throw against Fresno St. He fires a laser to his TE down the seem whose covered by two defenders then very next throw hits his TE in the end zone on a touch throw.

He's not super mobile but he has a few throws fading or rolling to his right where he kind of does a little jump throw accurately, reminds me of Zach Wilson or mahomes , just not as quick or fast.

Plenty of deep throws in take where he just takes his 3 step drop and with a flick of the wrist launches it on point , he's got a real compact quick delivery.

I think if he were in a bigger conference playing against better competition he'd be more highly regarded and maybe some knock him down a bit because of that but not me, Mahomes played at Washington st, josh Allen at Wyoming, and though both those guys are definitely more athletic than strong all 3 of them have elite arms and GMs and coaches and scouts will always take chances on guys who can spin it especially with accuracy and Strong can spin it.

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