1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

People still hating on Tom Brady after all he’s accomplished is just sour grapes. After all those cheating scandals here’s the thing he still won after the fact. Now if he would have not won after he was "cheating” then I’d say you have a point but he’s won like what 3-4 Super Bowls after that? Come on guys. 

If Barry Bonds quit taking steroids and hit 30 home runs the season after, would you say "All good" to him as well?

If Brady admitted he deliberately cheated and was sincerely apologetic, then that would say something positive about his integrity.  Neither you or I should expect that to ever happen.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I know at least 1 QB who needs to hear this.

 

 

Hey I was kinda looking foward to Hurts swaggy workout videos showing his improvement that never translates to the field. 

5 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

People still hating on Tom Brady after all he’s accomplished is just sour grapes. After all those cheating scandals here’s the thing he still won after the fact. Now if he would have not won after he was "cheating” then I’d say you have a point but he’s won like what 3-4 Super Bowls after that? Come on guys. 

Both can be true. He is a good, successful QB and a cheating d-bag.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not only was it an advantage to a QB throwing the ball but also ball carriers.

Isn't coincidence that the years before deflate gate the pats with Brady had the lowest amount of fumbles in the league.

One could chalk that up to good coaching and good execution.

Or one could also surmise that deflated footballs decreased the probability of fumbles as it's easier to hold onto a ball with less psi.

Either way the smoking gun for me is Brady destroying his cell phone, innocent people don't destroy potential evidence.

His cell phone was such a red herring that people latched onto. He probably had tons of nudes of his hot wife on there that he didn't want people to see. Hell, I'm a nobody with nothing to hide and I wouldn't want to hand my cell phone over to anybody either. So ridiculous. 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think TE is an overrated need.  Especially one that high.  

I love the idea of Trey McBride to compliment  Goedert. He would bring a new dimension to this offense which needs more. But I totally get not going that route. This team has so many needs you can't address them all in rounds 1 & 2 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

His cell phone was such a red herring that people latched onto. He probably had tons of nudes of his hot wife on there that he didn't want people to see. Hell, I'm a nobody with nothing to hide and I wouldn't want to hand my cell phone over to anybody either. So ridiculous. 

Or worse, Dic pics😄

Or calls with the deflator...

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I know at least 1 QB who needs to hear this.

 

 

Swagless workouts  

1 minute ago, Infam said:

Both can be true. He is a good, successful QB and a cheating d-bag.

This. And I really don't get worked up over deflategate too much. Spygate clearly gave Brady and the Pats an advantage for the 1st 3 Super Bowls. After that, Brady went 3-3 in Super Bowls for the Patriots. But the completely underreported story, IMO, is how they got around the salary cap by paying his company. It allowed him to "take less," which meant they could build up the team around him. 

When people declare Brady is the GOAT, I say that unfortunately he disqualified himself from the conversation since we don't know what we would have been as a legitimate actor. The comparison to Bonds is apt -- clearly Bonds was a hall of fame, generational player without steroids, just like Brady. But where would he rank without them -- we don't know.

For the record, he and Bonds should both be in the hall of fame for their respective sports.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

His cell phone was such a red herring that people latched onto. He probably had tons of nudes of his hot wife on there that he didn't want people to see. Hell, I'm a nobody with nothing to hide and I wouldn't want to hand my cell phone over to anybody either. So ridiculous. 

So you have nudes of your hot wife on there?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If Barry Bonds quit taking steroids and hit 30 home runs the season after, would you say "All good" to him as well?

If Brady admitted he deliberately cheated and was sincerely apologetic, then that would say something positive about his integrity.  Neither you or I should expect that to ever happen.

Big difference between a guy taking some air out of a ball and another dude injecting HGH. 
 

Who knows what would have happened with Bonds? It’s an argument of silence. Maybe he still hits those HRs maybe he doesn’t but the fact is Brady won with supposed "cheating” and without any type of Cheating as well. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

This. And I really don't get worked up over deflategate too much. Spygate clearly gave Brady and the Pats an advantage for the 1st 3 Super Bowls. After that, Brady went 3-3 in Super Bowls for the Patriots. But the completely underreported story, IMO, is how they got around the salary cap by paying his company. It allowed him to "take less," which meant they could build up the team around him. 

When people declare Brady is the GOAT, I say that unfortunately he disqualified himself from the conversation since we don't know what we would have been as a legitimate actor. The comparison to Bonds is apt -- clearly Bonds was a hall of fame, generational player without steroids, just like Brady. But where would he rank without them -- we don't know.

For the record, he and Bonds should both be in the hall of fame for their respective sports.

Never heard that story about them paying Brady through his company, I guess it was under reported.

Sounds about on PAR with the cheatriots though.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

So you have nudes of your hot wife on there?

Damn right pal

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This. And I really don't get worked up over deflategate too much. Spygate clearly gave Brady and the Pats an advantage for the 1st 3 Super Bowls. After that, Brady went 3-3 in Super Bowls for the Patriots. But the completely underreported story, IMO, is how they got around the salary cap by paying his company. It allowed him to "take less," which meant they could build up the team around him. 

When people declare Brady is the GOAT, I say that unfortunately he disqualified himself from the conversation since we don't know what we would have been as a legitimate actor. The comparison to Bonds is apt -- clearly Bonds was a hall of fame, generational player without steroids, just like Brady. But where would he rank without them -- we don't know.

For the record, he and Bonds should both be in the hall of fame for their respective sports.

The MLB hall of fame is a sham without Rose and Maris in it anyway; go ahead and put anybody and everybody in  🙂

A bit of a silver lining to the QB class not being top end is that if there is a guy we like, we can grab him without a Carson wentz level of commitment. 
 

with how many ways it can go wrong, I don’t like putting so many eggs into any one basket, especially at the QB position 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The MLB hall of fame is a sham without Rose and Maris in it anyway; go ahead and put anybody and everybody in  🙂

I don't follow baseball much but how the heck is Roger Maris not in the HOF???

I had no idea.😳

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Never heard that story about them paying Brady through his company, I guess it was under reported.

Sounds about on PAR with the cheatriots though.

Lol I actually remember this. It wasn't any secret, there were articles and I believe it was mentioned during one of his games. Anyway..

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I know at least 1 QB who needs to hear this.

 

 

Burrow is making me a fan of his.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Never heard that story about them paying Brady through his company, I guess it was under reported.

Sounds about on PAR with the cheatriots though.

Kraft is an oily, filthy scumbag as well.

There was a documentary on the "Two Bill's" featuring Belichick and Parcells.  When Parcells left the Patriots for the Jets, Kraft whined loud and hard to the NFL.  When the league allowed the move the documentary quoted Kraft saying something like "Right then and there I knew the league was not interested in doing things above board"

Kraft's solution?  Cheat for the next 20 years, by whatever means necessary.  Kraft is a huge problem with the NFL -- it'll be a happy day when he's gone.

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Never heard that story about them paying Brady through his company, I guess it was under reported.

Sounds about on PAR with the cheatriots though.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-patriots-pay-a-brady-owned-company-run-by-suspect-partner/

12 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Damn right pal

Just making sure I wasn't the only one with nudes of your wife.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Rose, obviously should be in.  But you can't put someone in because of one great season.  If not for 1961, Maris is an average journeymen.  

To be fair, Maris won the MVP in 1960 as well. 

Still not a hall of famer, but he had more than one great year.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Kraft is an oily, filthy scumbag as well.

There was a documentary on the "Two Bill's" featuring Belichick and Parcells.  When Parcells left the Patriots for the Jets, Kraft whined loud and hard to the NFL.  When the league allowed the move the documentary quoted Kraft saying something like "Right then and there I knew the league was not interested in doing things above board"

Kraft's solution?  Cheat for the next 20 years, by whatever means necessary.  Kraft is a huge problem with the NFL -- it'll be a happy day when he's gone.

Yup.

Kraft and goodell probably give each other rub and tugs.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nice call.  Didn't know that.  

Prior to Bonds, I think he and Dale Murphy were the only back to back MVPs not to make the HOF.

32 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I know at least 1 QB who needs to hear this.

 

 

Nice cutting of the quote there ESPN.

 

"Focus on getting better,” Burrow said. "Don’t have a workout and post it on Instagram the next day and then go sit on your butt the next day and everyone thinks you’re working hard but you’re not. Work in silence. Don’t show anyone what you’re doing. Let your performance on Friday nights and Saturday nights and Sunday nights show all the hard work you put in. Don’t worry about all that social media stuff.”

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

To be fair, Maris won the MVP in 1960 as well. 

Still not a hall of famer, but he had more than one great year.

And 7 time all star so...